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Strangely, I like putting windows in full-screen mode while using Windows. I like each window to fill up the screen. Conversely, I hate full screen windows on any of my Macs. I'd much rather have them be just the right size to have numerous windows on my screen. I can't explain it. I just switch "modes" when I have the operating system in front of me (and yes, that includes parallels).
You're not alone. I tend to do the same thing. But I've yet to use Windows on a very high-resolution display. I doubt I would want my browser window full-screen on a display with 1600 pixels or more in width.
 
Let me quote your previous statement (emphasis mine):

Sounds like a single user to me.

see, we all know we are discussing a problem related to a group of users, its perfectly ok u found my logic flaw, but that doesn't change the discussion, right?

I can declare right now I clarified the word "you" "yours" to mean a group of users, and change "a switcher" to "a group of switchers",
and let me re-write the word completely
since Apple is the one who ask ppl to switch, Apple should be the one to meet your (a group of "switchers" and a group of mac users) "personal preferences"...

Now, can we looking at the real problem and discussed it?

I guess I don't understand why Apple should change the model they've had since the begining of their modern UI, just to suit Switchers.

because of my revised quote (see above), and because Apple doesn't want to stick to their 5% market share and give up expanding the market.

And because switchers do have the same right as other users (in case u think some mac users have less right to complain than others users, my apology if thats not what u meant.)
 
I can declare right now I clarified the word "you" "yours" to mean a group of users, and change "a switcher" to "a group of switchers", and let me re-write the word completely
Thanks, clevin, for rewording. Your argument holds more weight now.

But I'd now like to ask: how many users do you believe it should take requesting a new feature for Apple to take notice and, at least, consider it?
 
Strangely, I like putting windows in full-screen mode while using Windows. I like each window to fill up the screen. Conversely, I hate full screen windows on any of my Macs. I'd much rather have them be just the right size to have numerous windows on my screen. I can't explain it. I just switch "modes" when I have the operating system in front of me (and yes, that includes parallels).

That's not strange. Microsoft Window is designed (intentionally or not) to work best in maximized mode. OS X with its MDI interface is designed to work best with multiple visible windows. Most users naturally work like you do on the two OSes without realizing it. I too maximize everything in Windows, and nothing on my Mac.
 
if a launcher is that amazing, and can single handedly defeat windows UI, everybody just go with Linux, by default, Gnome EV has this launcher build-in, lol, don't make statement like that. Not realistic (realistically, I do believe windows has much more 3rd party apps, so when u found some 3rd party apps for mac is "amazing", do a google search, chances are, there are one or more of the same kind for windows). also check this out
http://www.launchy.net/
screenshot_firefox.jpg

As has been well-discussed elsewhere, Quicksilver is much more than an application launcher, and there is nothing equivilent available for the PC.
 
Well, I've been using OS X for a total of 15 days (got my MBP on 3/6/07), and all I can say is "why in the hell didn't I switch from Windows sooner?" Once I got used to doing things in a slightly different way (and I have so much more to learn to become truly proficient, at least in the GUI--I can't see myself doing much of anything via the terminal) things seem so much easier. On a cosmetic/superficial level, I also note that things just look better/nicer. Using the same external display (first a Dell 2005fpw, now a Dell 2407wfp) I had hooked-up to my Windows laptop (a Dell), fonts are much smoother, graphics in general seem "nicer" as well.
 
As has been well-discussed elsewhere, Quicksilver is much more than an application launcher, and there is nothing equivilent available for the PC.
Well, there's Enso, but since it doesn't work with Vista :rolleyes: I haven't been able to try it yet. It's not exactly the same as Quicksilver either though.

(realistically, I do believe windows has much more 3rd party apps, so when u found some 3rd party apps for mac is "amazing", do a google search, chances are, there are one or more of the same kind for windows).
I use several 3rd party Mac apps that I have yet to find Windows equivalents that are as good. There are a lore MORE for Windows, no question, but most of them are crap. Take Adium for example... on Windows I've tried Miranda, Trillian, and GAIM, none have the features (or ease of use) of Adium that I like.
 
I only have 2 complaints about OSX... And its about Cosmetics.

I do not like the way Different Programs and windows have different themes. Such as Aqua, Brushed Metal, Or the new iTunes 7 look. They all need to be the same, and we should have the option of changing themes as well.

Finally, window resizing is slow and horrible at best. Why is it not instantly smooth like in MS Windows? You Drag the corner and it like "stutters". Ick...

Other than that I love OSX. These two minor inconveincences are not a big deal when I look at all the other Good the OS has to offer. Hopefully they will get fixed in Leopard! :D :apple:
 
Finally, window resizing is slow and horrible at best. Why is it not instantly smooth like in MS Windows? You Drag the corner and it like "stutters". Ick...

Try it in Vista—it's similar. When you have a 3D composited windowing environment and have to redraw the whole window before passing it off to the graphics card, it'll be kinda slow. This will probably be (at least somewhat) addressed by Quartz 2D Extreme, which is trying to move some of the actual window-drawing functions off to the graphics card as well.

This, of course, is why I never resize windows in OS X—not that I really have much need to anyway.
 
Finally, window resizing is slow and horrible at best. Why is it not instantly smooth like in MS Windows? You Drag the corner and it like "stutters". Ick...

I think it's because OS X is constantly redrawing the window as it sizes, while XP just sort of doesn't bother to redraw until you let go.
 
Try it in Vista—it's similar. When you have a 3D composited windowing environment and have to redraw the whole window before passing it off to the graphics card, it'll be kinda slow. This will probably be (at least somewhat) addressed by Quartz 2D Extreme, which is trying to move some of the actual window-drawing functions off to the graphics card as well.

This, of course, is why I never resize windows in OS X—not that I really have much need to anyway.


I dunno tho, I have a Pretty Awesome PC I have built. With a 500$ Direct X 10 Video Card. The GUI is super smooth. OSX should be the same. There is no reason for this.
 
I dunno tho, I have a Pretty Awesome PC I have built. With a 500$ Direct X 10 Video Card. The GUI is super smooth. OSX should be the same. There is no reason for this.

With a 500$ Direct X 10 Video Card. The GUI is super smooth.

With a 500$ Direct X 10 Video Card.

Just thought I'd try to highlight the irony.

And yes, there are several technical reasons for this. Do the research.
 
These two minor inconveincences are not a big deal when I look at all the other Good the OS has to offer. Hopefully they will get fixed in Leopard! :D :apple:


I would agree that they are cosmetics (as you put it) rather than inconviences (as you state later in your post);) ...on my iBook there is a split second(very very tiny) delay from when I click and move to when it actually moves...so I guess there is a very slight inconvience now that I type my thoughts out here.

I would agree it would be nice to be smooth, but doesn't make my OS anymore convienent really.;)

I also agree they should decide on a theme and leave it or give us choices that will span across multiple apps from Apple at the very least.
 
Maximizing

I find, personally, that text is easier to read in a web browser when it's maximized. There is one site in particular that works best maximized. However, the vast majority of my other applications (except iTunes - dunno why I like it maximized, it doesn't really need to be) do NOT benefit from maximization, in my opinion. For this reason I use a little bookmarklet in my web browsers to maximize the window, and never use autosize since it never seems to work properly (as others have mentioned).

Now that that's out of the way...

To the OP: I find parts of Windows annoying, being a Mac user forced to use Windows at times. However, I can understand your perspective, being a Windows switcher. These sorts of things always come up - I know this from my attempts at convincing people to switch. Third-party software is extremely helpful at working around Mac OS X annoyances or adding missing features - I use some of these programs myself. ;)
 
Window contents

Why is it, that in OSX (which I love), it takes a few seconds sometimes to show the content of a finder window you open, or a subfolder etc.

This is one thing that Windows is much faster at, always was, including the past..... It was faster 4 years ago, it was faster at it 6 years ago, and it is faster at it today (compared between a Intel 1.6Ghz Celeron machine with 512MB and 80gb hd running XP pro, and a g4 1.25Ghz PB, with 1.25Gb ram, and 80GB hd)

Is there something in the way windows handles it's windows content? I have had many situations the the G4 was faster than any incarnation of a wintel machine on various tasks, but never this, why?
 
Why is it, that in OSX (which I love), it takes a few seconds sometimes to show the content of a finder window you open, or a subfolder etc.

I think there's a little more going on in the Finder. When you open a folder, it scans all the files and their resource forks for application association, custom icons, file info, image thumbnail rendering, etc. It also checks folder-specific view options (icon size, whether to show file info, etc.) and updates the OS's internal application list (and related file associations) if there's an application in the folder.

Plus, the Finder is a live folder view. In Windows, I believe, it's static and you have to refresh to see changes.
 
Why is it, that in OSX (which I love), it takes a few seconds sometimes to show the content of a finder window you open, or a subfolder etc.

This is one thing that Windows is much faster at, always was, including the past..... It was faster 4 years ago, it was faster at it 6 years ago, and it is faster at it today (compared between a Intel 1.6Ghz Celeron machine with 512MB and 80gb hd running XP pro, and a g4 1.25Ghz PB, with 1.25Gb ram, and 80GB hd)

Try opening "My Computer" in windows when you first pop in a cd or a removable drive, then you can come talk to me about finder windows not loading. In addition to that, I have had plenty of instances where windows won't even open the folder because it hasn't registered the click, so I have to wait for everything to play catch up.
 
Why does Windows Explorer have a refresh button then? (I'm not being sarcastic, just asking.)

when the explorer window is active it will refresh by itself every now and then. if you press that button it will refresh immediately.

it's particularly useful when there are network shares going on and off.
 
Why does Windows Explorer have a refresh button then? (I'm not being sarcastic, just asking.)

Well I hardly use it...but for example, if you're organizing and you're moving folders and files around within a folder to your liking, you can hit refresh to arrange them back to whatever the objects in that folder are arranged by (i.e. size, name, date, etc).
 
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