New MacBook Air Due This Wednesday?

[Trauma1]

It doesn't matter if they coexist or launch separately. I don't know what they'd call it or how it'd work. What's important is to be able to use the functionality of both on one device.

That's what I've been saying. There's no need to have two separate OSs to get the optimum functionality. Using a dual boot set up (like you have been suggesting) implies two separate systems that don't crossover.

What would be more progressive and practical in the years to come? Having two separate systems in which Apple and developers have to publish software twice, for two different markets? Or one system in which Apple and developers can publish software once, to be used in both types of devices?

 

[42streetsdown]

it's too bad that the rumor didn't pan out. i was looking forward to getting myself one.

 

[Tilpots]

Functionality of both ? OS X can do everything iOS can and more. There's just no extra functionality to wish for. Waste of SSD space. Both OSes already share the same core and many of the same sub-systems. Only the top most UI is different and it is for a reason : different input paradigms. On a laptop, there's no point in having the iOS UI layer. What they are doing in Lion brings the same UI stuff in a usable form on a laptop and that's enough.

Not really. The lack of a touchscreen, accelerometer, gyroscope and the like on an OSX device leaves it without many of iOS devices most useful features. One device to serve both iOS and OSX functions, that's all I'm talking about.

 

[42streetsdown]

Not really. The lack of a touchscreen, accelerometer, gyroscope and the like on an OSX device leaves it without many of iOS devices most useful features. One device to serve both iOS and OSX functions, that's all I'm talking about.

it'll never happen. You're talking about two separate markets. Apple would rather sell you two devices. it's more profitable that way.

 

[Trauma1]

Not really. The lack of a touchscreen, accelerometer, gyroscope and the like on an OSX device leaves it without many of iOS devices most useful features. One device to serve both iOS and OSX functions, that's all I'm talking about.

Do you have any idea how small the percentage of MacBook (MB, Air, and Pro) owners who need that hardware and are unwilling to purchase an iOS device is?

It would be a terrible strategy to create a product for an ultra-niche market that would inevitably cannibalize sales of one of its most successful products.

 

[cleric]

My wish list for next Air:
1) built-in 3G

But you own an iPhone4..... do you carry the MacBook Air more than the phone I don't.

 

[Tilpots]

it'll never happen. You're talking about two separate markets. Apple would rather sell you two devices. it's more profitable that way.

The profits follow the best, most capable hardware.

It would be a terrible strategy to create a product for an ultra-niche market that would inevitably cannibalize sales of one of its most successful products.

Like a phone that could play music?

 

[Trauma1]

Like a phone that could play music?

How many people listen to music?

How many people legitimately need accelerometers and gyroscopes?

 

[Tilpots]

How many people listen to music?

How many people legitimately need accelerometers and gyroscopes?

Millions and millions according to iPhone, iPod touch and iPad sales.

 

[Trauma1]

Millions and millions according to iPhone, iPod touch and iPad sales.

And those sales number point out those needs...where?

Users who listen to music far exceed those who legitimately need an accelerometer or gyroscope. The point is, you can't use music as an example because it's not a niche market.

 

[Tilpots]

And those sales number point out those needs...where?

Users who listen to music far exceeds those who legitimately need an accelerometer or gyroscope.

Sorry, I'm totally missing your point.

 

[iRun26.2]

Why do you want a retina display in a Mac? How close are you holding it in front of your eyes? Same as your phone?

At a reasonable distance I can see the individual pixels. Therefore, they are too big.

 

[nebulos]

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Wow. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Care to back that claim up with any actual facts?

The tablet PC laptop market (not to be confused with handheld tablets) is dying.

Touch tablets have been around and your standard tablet PC was never junk. In fact, they've always been more or less premium laptops, with premium prices, which is probably the main reason they never took off. It's been a niche market for a while now; Lenovo, Toshiba, Fujitsu, etc., all continue to make tablet PCs, so I don't know about this decline you're talking about.

Have you ever even used one of these machines?

 

[Trauma1]

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Have you ever even used on of these machines?

Extensively.

Have you seen the sales numbers in the past few years?

Walk into a big-box retailer and compare the number of tablet PC laptops for sale vs traditional laptops. And in a year or so compare the number tablet PC laptops to handheld tablets.

 

[iRun26.2]

That ship has long sailed. Apple would never do it (even ignoring the significant re-engineering of the MacBook it would require).

Marginally more realistic would be a MacBook [Pro] with a detachable screen that became an iPad, but that's a bit too much utility in a single device for Apple, so I seriously doubt it would ever happen either.

It amazes me that so many people think it is somehow logical for Apple to sell a laptop with a detachable 'ipad' screen. I think that notion is silly: Apple want people to buy both!

 

[iRun26.2]

With 4G on the horizon?

And this argument (3G /4G) alone is why I think they will do neither.

 

[Trauma1]

Sorry, I'm totally missing your point.

Millions of people use cell phones. Millions of people listen to music. It's a no-brainer to combine the two.

Now, how many people (who are unwilling to buy an iOS device) legitimately need an accelerometer and gyroscope in their laptop? That number would not be statistically significant.

 

[Tilpots]

Millions of people use cell phones. Millions of people listen to music. It's a no-brainer to combine the two.

Now, how many people (who are unwilling to buy an iOS device) legitimately need an accelerometer and gyroscope in their laptop? That number would not be statistically significant.

By your own logic, millions use iOS devices and millions use OSX devices. Combining the two is a no-brainer. Exactly what I've been saying!

Who would rather buy 2 deices when they could buy 1? Who "needs" music as you suggest? It's not about needs, it's about wants. People want functionality. Apple has proven again and again that they understand that and they deliver. I'm sure they will do it again. Soon. Maybe not this release, but it won't be long.

 

[Trauma1]

By your own logic, millions use iOS devices and millions use OSX devices. Combining the two is a no-brainer. Exactly what I've been saying!

No, you've been suggesting dual boot.

 

[nebulos]

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Have you ever even used on of these machines?

Extensively.

Have you seen the sales numbers in the past few years?

Walk into a big-box retailer and compare the number of tablet PC laptops for sale vs traditional laptops. And in a year or so compare the number tablet PC laptops to handheld tablets.

If so, I really don't get the 'junk' statement.

No, I haven't seen the sales numbers; But I've never seen a tablet PC in a store at all. That's nothing new. (Yes, we can all see the new (touch) tablet wave; It's not relevant here though.)

 

[Trauma1]

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If so, I really don't get the 'junk' statement.

Hinges, swivel, excess strain, added weight, etc.

 

[Tilpots]

No, you've been suggesting dual boot.

Amongst other ways of running both OSs on one device. Again, your point?

 

[Trauma1]

Amongst other ways of running both OSs on one device. Again, your point?

The point is you were adamant on one machine specifically running a dual boot set up, even when other posters explained how illogical that would be.

The "amongst other ways" that you are now referring to are the ways that I have already explained; two OSs that evolve and coexist together, not systems that run in separate, dual booted environments with zero compatibility.

 

[Tilpots]

The point is you were adamant on one machine specifically running a dual boot set up, even when other posters explained how illogical that would be.

The "amongst other ways" that you are now referring to are the ways that I have already explained; two OSs that evolve and coexist together, not systems that run in separate, dual booted environments with zero compatibility.

A little reading comprehension goes a long way:

It makes perfect sense for Apple to marry the two OSs into one device because it would be a superior device, both to an iPad or MBA.

It doesn't matter if they coexist or launch separately. I don't know what they'd call it or how it'd work. What's important is to be able to use the functionality of both on one device.

One device to serve both iOS and OSX functions, that's all I'm talking about.

By your own logic, millions use iOS devices and millions use OSX devices. Combining the two is a no-brainer. Exactly what I've been saying!

 

[OatmealRocks]

lol @ above poster. Not even gonna bother explaining it.