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So if I'm to understand your fanboy ramble - every router company in the world is crap, everyone should just get an Apple Airport and then what? Demand that every where we go everyone else has an Apple Airport? What kind of twisted logic is this?

Where did I state any of the following? either put up or shut up.
 
Oh shoot... I was gonna get one next week too. I'm 100% on wi-fi

Reckon i should wait??

I assume, if a DUD, Apple would just replace as normal which, by thw way, may be the same issue, if its common.
 
Any updates on this issue? I hope this is fixed soon as I have been planning on buying the new MBA but this is holding me back..
 
What's following - your post is the last one in the thread right now.

This is what I said:

For me I've had nothing but bad luck whether it is Netgear, Linksys or Belkin so in the end I've stuck with the Airport Extreme without a problem.

Note the language I used, specifically pointing out my OWN experience rather than making a definitive statement that could be interpreted as me stating a fact. Read people's posts and actually focus on the words and tone of what is being used rather than making assumptions based on nothing but your own axe to grind with the original poster.
 
Can't tell if you are SERIOUS or joking. But if the former, this is from BusinessWeeks review in 1997 of the PB3400 which succeeded the 5300 (bold for emphasis):



So, if you are taking objection, I don't know why. BW was not alone in describing the 5300 this way at the time, just one example. It's not an exaggeration.

Full article: http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1997-03-30/a-pumped-up-powerbook

I won't deny the 5300 had problems (I have one), but the battery issue was corrected before any real damage happened:

Although the defect was corrected before the product hit retail shelves, the appearance of quality control problems only compounds user concerns about Apple's finances and strategy. One Apple observer said the company is addressing its problems through a newly formed Quality Council but warned that preventing further defects is critical to the company's future.

Apple woes continue - CNET Newsl
 
They're hardly going to be reporting the embarrassing reversal of DRM policies on the Xbox One are they?
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Hey, hey. Are you knocking Microsoft on that? Because they did the right thing, you know, copying Sony and all that. ;)

While I understood what they were trying to do, the world isn't ready for the ideas they had. Especially for those of us in the military, and in my case, in the Navy. Not that I get a whole lot of time to play games underway, it still would have sucked to not be able to play the Xbox One on the ship all just because it wouldn't have been able to access the internet. That was a slap in the face to all military (everywhere, not just US) Microsoft didn't consider.
 
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Hey, hey. Are you knocking Microsoft on that? Because they did the right thing, you know, copying Sony and all that. ;)

I think you misunderstood. I'm not knocking Microsoft for their reversal (in fact, I'm fully in favour of it). It was simply an example that Apple are not the only ones who make news and are criticised for the state of their products.
 
Newer Is Not Always Better...

This is just another example, which incidentally is not unique to Apple, that newer is not always better.

Meaning all of these people that post about how they "can't wait" for the upcoming model, as though they are living in excruciating pain with a migraine that wouldn't stop till they got what they wanted, may have overlooked the fact that early adopters are subject to problems.

And as such there are bugs, annoyances, etc that may crop up and not be fixed by a software patch or update for weeks or months.

This is why I tend to wait until a new model is out, and in the hands of real world users before I evaluate whether I am going to buy one. Once you see the reports here, then you generally have a good idea of what to expect.

Other times I buy upon release because I am eager to try the new model. In addition, I always have other new Macs to use if the new one is a dud, therefore it's not as though my workflow is impacted. It's an "extra" laptop so to speak. Once it's proven itself in my environment then it gets promoted to a primary computer.
 
This is what I said:



Note the language I used, specifically pointing out my OWN experience rather than making a definitive statement that could be interpreted as me stating a fact. Read people's posts and actually focus on the words and tone of what is being used rather than making assumptions based on nothing but your own axe to grind with the original poster.

You used the word "following" to refer to items in a preceding post. That's what seemed odd.
 
This is just another example, which incidentally is not unique to Apple, that newer is not always better.

Meaning all of these people that post about how they "can't wait" for the upcoming model, as though they are living in excruciating pain with a migraine that wouldn't stop till they got what they wanted, may have overlooked the fact that early adopters are subject to problems.

And as such there are bugs, annoyances, etc that may crop up and not be fixed by a software patch or update for weeks or months.

This is why I tend to wait until a new model is out, and in the hands of real world users before I evaluate whether I am going to buy one. Once you see the reports here, then you generally have a good idea of what to expect.

Other times I buy upon release because I am eager to try the new model. In addition, I always have other new Macs to use if the new one is a dud, therefore it's not as though my workflow is impacted. It's an "extra" laptop so to speak. Once it's proven itself in my environment then it gets promoted to a primary computer.

Sometimes it takes the calmness of a buddhist monk to do that. Most of us spec whores don't have that. Strange thing, indeed. Mostly men in this game. My wife couldn't care less about a new notebook.
 
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Meaning all of these people that post about how they "can't wait" for the upcoming model, as though they are living in excruciating pain with a migraine that wouldn't stop till they got what they wanted, may have overlooked the fact that early adopters are subject to problems.

There's a more fundamental problem with the Air though. Apple has had these Wi-Fi problems in every version of the air. I bought the last model six months after release and it had this problem.

I just think that Apple has a flawed design in the case that prevents it from doing Wi-Fi reliably.
 
I won't deny the 5300 had problems (I have one), but the battery issue was corrected before any real damage happened:

I'm glad you are not a denier. My point, and only point, is that some early models burst into flames. That is an accurate description, and how it was reported in the popular and computer press at the time. So I'm hard pressed to understand why anyone would take exception with that description.
 
You used the word "following" to refer to items in a preceding post. That's what seemed odd.

No, this is the original post: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17461253/

I remember I used to have infuriating WiFi issues with my 2007 Santa Rosa MacBook Pro. The WiFi would just ransomly disconnect, then reconnect itself a moment later. The only reason I even noticed was because I had Growler installed and it was set to make a sound whenever the connect/disconnect happened. And at one point I kept getting connection issues where the Mac would disconnect and fail to reconnect properly -- it would get its own self-assigned IP address. Manually going into network settings and clicking Renew DHCP Lease often fixed it -- but not always. These problem did not occur with any other device on my network including my iPad or iPhone.

I eventually chalked it up to my Mac and my D-Link router not getting along. I replaced the D-Link with a Netgear router and have not seen the problem since.

But yes, Apple products have definitely had WiFi issues in the past (I agree that the metal casing probably is a factor). I'll wait to see how this one gets resolved before I commit my dollars!

For me I've had nothing but bad luck whether it is Netgear, Linksys or Belkin so in the end I've stuck with the Airport Extreme without a problem. It seems that the former three spend too much time on pointless crap rather than just getting the basic fundamentals right with good follow up support in the form of firmware updates.

This is true. More often than not I will open up my laptop and connect and be working, while my PC using friends are still asking "Hey, are you sure the WiFi is working? I'm not getting anything."

Apple raises the bar I guess -- that "It Just Works" mantra makes it all the more glaring in the rare instances when it doesn't. Windows, you get conditioned to get used to all the minor little problems and quibbles, though they do add up over time.

Reminds me of a ThinkPad T61 I had where there was constant conflicts between the 'ThinkVantage' Wifi connection manager and the built in Wifi connection manager - I don't expect perfection from Microsoft because they're one step removed from the end user but I do expect if I'm paying for a Thinkpad, a premium device designed for 'professionals' that maybe they would spend some time ensuring that things actually worked as they're supposed to rather than the horrific nightmare I've experienced every time I've used one of their computers. The only thing worse than that was the Toshiba laptop that went through 3 motherboards in a space of 6 months or the HP laptop with heat dispersion issues because of the cruddy placement of their heat vents. Then there is my old man and his Dell where it is a hit or miss whether it actually wakes up and connects which has gotten to the stage he has given up and just gone ethernet because it has become such a PITA.

Regarding the 'It just works' comes with obvious caveats - there is no claims of absolute perfection but rather a smoother experience to which the vast majority of end users experience. I know it'll piss off the Apple hating brigade who seem to troll this website but most people actually have a pretty damn smooth experience with their Apple device.

Where is the word 'following' ever used in the above quotation? Btw, why is this even an issue for you given that I'm replying to malexandria - he/she was the one who raised the issue not you. The conversation is between him/her and me regarding her/his inability to read and comprehend the difference between an opinion based on experience vs. a person posting something as an objective fact of which I did the former rather than the later. malexandria quoted the following:

For me I've had nothing but bad luck whether it is Netgear, Linksys or Belkin so in the end I've stuck with the Airport Extreme without a problem. It seems that the former three spend too much time on pointless crap rather than just getting the basic fundamentals right with good follow up support in the form of firmware updates.

Any other post I made is irrelevant given that it was malexandria who chose to reply to that specific piece of text by quoting it in the post reply made to me. Unless of course you're claiming that you're malexandria.
 
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Sounds like teething problems to me. A simple firmware fix may do the trick.
It's almost certainly a firmware issue. Apple is using a relatively new 802.11ac part. They undoubtedly want to eliminate the firmware bugs before releasing the MacBook Pro, iPhone 5S, and iPad Retina with the same part (or part series).

Last year, Apple caught a lot of flack for poor Wifi performance on the iPhone 5. That too was a firmware issue associated with a new Broadcom part, and Apple does not want a repeat of that fiasco.
 
Yes they are. Gizmodo have zero percent respect from me. I don't even read what they say anymore.


Yes it will be.

The only thing I see here is Wi-Figate. Just like Antennagate.
Macs and OS X have always had the occasional Wi-Fi issue. I've even had a few. But they are not a big deal and for the most part the Wi-Fi works just fine.

Articles like this just sensationalise non-issues and act as link bait for more pate hits. And the Apple support forums, are not the definitive word on everything. Personally I'd rather ask for help for a problem in these MacRumors forums before I even think of touching the Apple support forums. To me the Apple Support forums are the worst part of Apple.

I understand MacRumors is in the business of writing articles like this, but the readers need to know this in context. A very small few have had supposed Wi-Fi issues. No tech gadget is perfect. But overall it works just fine.

Bull-****ing-**** it works just fine. Right out of the box, my 2013 MBA had connectivity issues while all my other devices, including my 7 year old Windows laptop, continued to work. I'm reading more and more that it's just not working with non-Apple routers, which is unacceptable. This was my second attempt at buying an Apple product, and the second one that was defective.
 
Bought the Stock 13" MBA last Sunday, had no issues with wifi on the 5th Generation Airport Extreme. Switched out the Airport this week with the new AC version and it works great. Have yet to test it under anything not Apple though.
 
Bull-****ing-**** it works just fine. Right out of the box, my 2013 MBA had connectivity issues while all my other devices, including my 7 year old Windows laptop, continued to work. I'm reading more and more that it's just not working with non-Apple routers, which is unacceptable. This was my second attempt at buying an Apple product, and the second one that was defective.
Be careful what you read. The media can make some non-issues sound like they are really bad. And I if you have a supposedly defective notebook take it back to Apple. And let them deal with it.

Yes a very very small number have wi-fi issues. But a large widespread issue? Wi-Fi gate I think.
 
Be careful what you read. The media can make some non-issues sound like they are really bad. And I if you have a supposedly defective notebook take it back to Apple. And let them deal with it.

Yes a very very small number have wi-fi issues. But a large widespread issue? Wi-Fi gate I think.

"Supposedly"? Nice snark you got there. I'm in IT, I know what I'm doing. There are many people reporting WiFi issues, and it's not nice of you to talk down to those experiencing problems. The problem lies with Apple.
 
"Supposedly"? Nice snark you got there. I'm in IT, I know what I'm doing. There are many people reporting WiFi issues, and it's not nice of you to talk down to those experiencing problems. The problem lies with Apple.

And it's not nice of you to overstate an issue. People have the issue yes. Lots of people? No. Lets just agree to disagree on this point and call it a day ok?
 
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