New MacBook Pro 6,1 on Geekbench!!

[Max(IT)]

you've provided nothing but your opinion...I've tried providing data, benches, and common sense.

Not superior experience, in any way. AT BEST will be on par. The benchmarks you linked to' us were from the desktop version. The mobile, considering Apple restrictions due to thermal design, will be lower clocked, Turbo Boost or not, and that will provide lower performance.
So your beloved MBP 13" will have lower graphic performances than a 2 yrs old integrated chipset (9400M).

I definitely hope Apple will go for a discrete solution even for 13" MBP

The initial Core i7 laptops were power hungry beats of machines intended for gaming. Not only is there an emphasis on efficiency with Arrandale, but if I'm not mistaken there is also the change from the original 45nm to 32nm die, which should cut power consumption significantly.

Correct.
The i5 540M has a similar TDP of a C2D 2.66/2.8 Ghz, with a generic 10-20% improvement in performance, that is fine.

The ONLY problem here is with the integrated iGpu.

 

[macduke]

I definitely hope Apple will go for a discrete solution even for 13" MBP

Surely they will. Intel's integrated crap sucks. If they don't by summer 2011, I'll just buy an iMac and get by with my iPad everywhere else.

 

[iOber]

except that the arrandale graphics have a turbo boost option as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3705

Then how come intel says the i5 and i7 Arrandales will have a Graphics Base Frequency of 500MHz and Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency of 766MHz.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43544&processor=i5-540M&spec-codes=SLBPF,SLBPG

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43560&processor=i7-620M&spec-codes=SLBPD,SLBPE

The benchmarks are not for the rumored processors and will show less performance. Exactly how much I cant tell from the benchmarks you provided but its not anything worthwhile seeing its been 2 years of 9400.

For everyone thats been worried about i7 being too hot or a battery hog, this doesnt apply to Arrandales (35 TDP) especially the i5 cus the i7-620m consumes more power at idle and under load.

...the i7-620M CPU reveals itself as being especially energy devouring. The CPU treats itself to about 15W more, with up to 64.7W under load, than the i5 colleagues. The test system also needs around 10W more in idle mode with 30W than the configuration with a Core i5 chip.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-Core-i3-i5-i7-Processors-Arrandale.25085.0.html

I speculate apple will go for the i5-520m/540m and hope they add discrete gpu to all models, cus other wise im not gonna buy it.

Especially since I saw this video where the intel integrated gpu was suffering/stuttering w/ 1080 video. You could argue its on windows but still, its depressing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOgvy3wECUE

 

[6-0 Prolene]

The ONLY problem here is with the integrated iGpu.

The only real processor/GPU-intensive work I do is with Aperture, CS4, and some 3-D rendering work with OsiriX (medical imaging). The Aperture files are fairly large RAWs (15.1MP from one camera, 21MP from the other) so crunching those images is probably my biggest day-to-day task.

Is the Intel GPU really that far behind the 9600M/9400M combo of Penryn?

 

[Sneakz]

Especially since I saw this video where the intel integrated gpu was suffering/stuttering w/ 1080 video. You could argue its on windows but still, its depressing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOgvy3wECUE

The issue there was Quicktime. Have no clue why he was watching it play in Quicktime. QT for windows sucks ass. Windows Media Player is what he should have used. Then it would have been hardware accelerated.

 

[wilycoder]

The only real processor/GPU-intensive work I do is with Aperture, CS4, and some 3-D rendering work with OsiriX (medical imaging). The Aperture files are fairly large RAWs (15.1MP from one camera, 21MP from the other) so crunching those images is probably my biggest day-to-day task.

Is the Intel GPU really that far behind the 9600M/9400M combo of Penryn?

Dude, the entire UI of OS X is OpenGL accelerated. Remember the genie effect when you minimize windows? EVERYTHING you see is OpenGL in OS X.

Yes, even if you are not a gamer, you should care about the GPU performance when it comes to OS X.

If GPU didn't matter for all you "pros" then Apple would just slap a GMA950 in the MBP. Then we'd all laugh at you when you try to watch HD video. You'd find out real quick how important a GPU is...

GPU matters. Big Time. Even for non-gamers.

All of you need to stop defending Intel's crappy GPUs. It makes you look naive.

 

[6-0 Prolene]

Dude, the entire UI of OS X is OpenGL accelerated. Remember the genie effect when you minimize windows? EVERYTHING you see is OpenGL in OS X.

Yes, even if you are not a gamer, you should care about the GPU performance when it comes to OS X.

If GPU didn't matter for all you "pros" then Apple would just slap a GMA950 in the MBP. Then we'd all laugh at you when you try to watch HD video. You'd find out real quick how important a GPU is...

GPU matters. Big Time. Even for non-gamers.

All of you need to stop defending Intel's crappy GPUs. It makes you look naive.

I know GPU matters, I'm just trying to figure out to what extent, and what might be expected in terms of performance differences.

I'm beginning to fall back on the side of just sticking with a 3.06GHz Penryn and being done with it, but I'm still deliberating. Even that would be a sizeable jump for me based on the Geekbench numbers, and I'm hardly crippled with what I have now (2.4GHz Santa Rosa).

 

[Max(IT)]

The only real processor/GPU-intensive work I do is with Aperture, CS4, and some 3-D rendering work with OsiriX (medical imaging). The Aperture files are fairly large RAWs (15.1MP from one camera, 21MP from the other) so crunching those images is probably my biggest day-to-day task.

Is the Intel GPU really that far behind the 9600M/9400M combo of Penryn?

I'm using Aperture 2 on a daily basis, with large RAWs from my 15 MP DSLR, and I have no problem at all with a C2D and a 9400M.
You are not going to have an huge improvement with an i5 ...

 

[alent1234]

I know GPU matters, I'm just trying to figure out to what extent, and what might be expected in terms of performance differences.

I'm beginning to fall back on the side of just sticking with a 3.06GHz Penryn and being done with it, but I'm still deliberating. Even that would be a sizeable jump for me based on the Geekbench numbers, and I'm hardly crippled with what I have now (2.4GHz Santa Rosa).

www.anandtech.com

you'll have to search, but he did a nice write up about OS X performance as you scale up the resolution. Don't worry about the CPU as much as the graphics adapter. get the best one you can get

 

[coolmacguy]

If GPU didn't matter for all you "pros" then Apple would just slap a GMA950 in the MBP. Then we'd all laugh at you when you try to watch HD video.

I have a MacBook with a GMA950 and it plays HD video just fine.

I don't play games but I have never had an issue with the 2D performance of OS X even on such subpar graphics for 3D.

 

[Maserati7200]

Please Note: The proper word is "discrete," not "discreet."

Yeah, it's always been getting on my nerves when people use "discreet", I've just never said anything.

discreet - careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, esp. in order to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage : we made some discreet inquiries.
• intentionally unobtrusive : a discreet cough.

discrete - individually separate and distinct : speech sounds are produced as a continuous sound signal rather than discrete units.

Big difference. I didn't know GPU's could be discreet, as I didn't know they had conversations.

 

[Eric S.]

Yeah, it's always been getting on my nerves when people use "discreet", I've just never said anything.

I know, some of us prefer to be discreet in those situations.

 

[Bill Gates]

Yeah, it's always been getting on my nerves when people use "discreet", I've just never said anything.

discreet - careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, esp. in order to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage : we made some discreet inquiries.
• intentionally unobtrusive : a discreet cough.

discrete - individually separate and distinct : speech sounds are produced as a continuous sound signal rather than discrete units.

Big difference. I didn't know GPU's could be discreet, as I didn't know they had conversations.

Is it any better that people used to constantly state that they had a "Santa Rosa" MBP when no such computer exists?

 

[hassoon]

hi, the posted benchmark link which is posted is posted from 7 days and this benchmark is released after two days of the last post. and it shows old processor and low rams and stuff..... http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/212932

 

[Max(IT)]

Yeah, it's always been getting on my nerves when people use "discreet", I've just never said anything.

discreet - careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, esp. in order to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage : we made some discreet inquiries.
• intentionally unobtrusive : a discreet cough.

discrete - individually separate and distinct : speech sounds are produced as a continuous sound signal rather than discrete units.

Big difference. I didn't know GPU's could be discreet, as I didn't know they had conversations.

May a fanless GPU be called "discreet" ?

 

[Maserati7200]

May a fanless GPU be called "discreet" ?

no, it may be called melted.

 

[Max(IT)]

no, it may be called melted.

 

[Joker22au]

After our long await....for aperture. Does anyone know or any hints of a refresh in the up coming weeks, or for end of Macworld Expo?

 

[kernkraft]

May a fanless GPU be called "discreet" ?

Hot Stuff!

Hot cake!

Hot rot

 

[Sneakz]

Is it any better that people used to constantly state that they had a "Santa Rosa" MBP when no such computer exists?

LOL ture. Santa Rosa was a platform requiring a particular processor, chipset (north, southbridge) and Wi-Fi chipset from Intel. Apple used 2 of the 3 opting for wireless from Atheros I believe.

 

[gothamm]

LOL ture. Santa Rosa was a platform requiring a particular processor, chipset (north, southbridge) and Wi-Fi chipset from Intel. Apple used 2 of the 3 opting for wireless from Atheros I believe.

Santa Rosa was excellent. It was a huge jump in performance over its predecessor. The t7500 core2duo santa rosa setup still pumps out 3100+ on geekbench.


I am hoping Arrandale would be today's santa rosa, in terms of performance boost.

 

[Max(IT)]

Is it any better that people used to constantly state that they had a "Santa Rosa" MBP when no such computer exists?

And you said that just because of the different WiFi ?
It was SR in the relevant components imho

 

[Sneakz]

And you said that just because of the different WiFi ?
It was SR in the relevant components imho

Not according to Intel is wasn't. There is a reason it is called a platform. You need all the particular components that are recommended. If you have a political platform, you don't do some of what you claim, you do all of it (ideally).

 

[dgdosen]

I hate this thread.. trying to get some work done and all I can do is dream about a 15inch i7

That's what she said...

 

[JaZzMaN251]

www.anandtech.com

you'll have to search, but he did a nice write up about OS X performance as you scale up the resolution. Don't worry about the CPU as much as the graphics adapter. get the best one you can get

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3602&cp=3

I think you mean this one?