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The MacBook Air barely makes sense in the current line-up. Yes, an $800 difference is a lot, but I probably wouldn’t recommend anyone getting a base Air at $1200. By the time you boost the RAM to 16GB and the SSD to 512GB (the bare minimum any computer in 2023 should have) you’re already half way to the 14 inch Pro. And the base Pro has a better processor and a bigger screen, all for $400 more. The Air is just too expensive at this point, IMO.
 
Do you really need that much ram with these types of processors? I know there’s someone out there who would need it but for what kind of situations?
Engineering (CAD - semiconductor design etc.) apps may need that much RAM and much more (in some cases - terabytes). Then, of course, Macs are not typically used in those fields.
 
Dramatically! I have the M1 Max with 64 gig ram and 2tb ssd and trade in is only 1200.
In some cases, what they offer as a trade in is what they give cash. Once they’ve evaluated your returned system, they sometimes send an Apple gift card for the additional value. Not cash, but as good as cash if you’re buying Apple stuff anyway. :)
 
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looks like i might need it, oooor i can just close couple programs....hmm though choice 🤣
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I run Windows 11 - and a lot of other applications. Despite drooling at 96GB, I guess don't need it. :( lol.
 
The MacBook Air barely makes sense in the current line-up. Yes, an $800 difference is a lot, but I probably wouldn’t recommend anyone getting a base Air at $1200. By the time you boost the RAM to 16GB and the SSD to 512GB (the bare minimum any computer in 2023 should have) you’re already half way to the 14 inch Pro. And the base Pro has a better processor and a bigger screen, all for $400 more. The Air is just too expensive at this point, IMO.

The Air is fanless, 30% lighter and has 45% less volume. It also targets a different audience. Specs aren’t everything.
 
The MacBook Air barely makes sense in the current line-up. Yes, an $800 difference is a lot, but I probably wouldn’t recommend anyone getting a base Air at $1200. By the time you boost the RAM to 16GB and the SSD to 512GB (the bare minimum any computer in 2023 should have) you’re already half way to the 14 inch Pro. And the base Pro has a better processor and a bigger screen, all for $400 more. The Air is just too expensive at this point, IMO.
Yea the issue for me all I want is a big screen, but it's way overspecced/priced. And I fear even a base 15 Air will be getting out of range
 
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Do you really need that much ram with these types of processors? I know there’s someone out there who would need it but for what kind of situations?
I have a 64gb M1 Max and am currently using just over 45gb of ram.

TBH, I don't need the Max core/gpus, but I do need the ram. If the Air had access to 64gb, I would have likely gone that route.
 
I have a 64gb M1 Max and am currently using just over 45gb of ram.

TBH, I don't need the Max core/gpus, but I do need the ram. If the Air had access to 64gb, I would have likely gone that route.
May I ask what you have running?
 
The MacBook Air barely makes sense in the current line-up. Yes, an $800 difference is a lot, but I probably wouldn’t recommend anyone getting a base Air at $1200. By the time you boost the RAM to 16GB and the SSD to 512GB (the bare minimum any computer in 2023 should have) you’re already half way to the 14 inch Pro. And the base Pro has a better processor and a bigger screen, all for $400 more. The Air is just too expensive at this point, IMO.
I think eventually you’ll see that M2 Air get a $200 cut just like the Mac mini did, and start again at $999 straight from Apple, when they discontinue the M1 version.
They’re also rumored to introduce a bigger version of the MacBook Air.
So the line-up would be:
$999: 13 inch MacBook Air
$1499: 15 inch MacBook Air
$1999: 14 inch MacBook Pro
$2499: 16 inch MacBook Pro
So all of the computers will be about $1000 for the difference between air and Pro, if you want a big Air it’s 1499, a big pro is 2499.
 
Sure - some of the larger ones. Intellji (4 projects currently), MySQL Workbench, mysqld, Chrome (in a video call), Safari, Mail, Insomnia, Fantastical, Slack, NetNewsWire, Preview, iTerm2, Messages.

All are Apple Silicon native except for MySQL Workbench.

I have a 16" M1 Max and a Mac Studio both maxed with 64GB RAM and I hit the memory wall running local development environments a few times a month. I could definitely use 96GB but now that the Apple Silicon roadmap pattern might be becoming clearer, I'll wait for a M2 Ultra w/ 192GB...
 
It is easier for Apple to add more memory than to teach their MacOS developers how to clear up previously used memory in processes like "WindowServer" which often uses up to 40GB on my M1 Max.. (Yes I then get "Out of memory error on my 64GB machine...)

It's not always laziness on part of the developers, but often it is. Sometimes it's a memory leak. Giving developers huge amounts of RAM is a dangerous move because they do get very lazy, but if you're seeing huge memory usage by apps that should not be, take a Sample using Activity Monitor and send it to the developers.
 
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