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New MacBook Pro's Dedicated AMD Graphics Chips Are 'Significantly' Faster and Support Dual 5K Displays
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^^^ This is so very spot on. ^^^ There are some people who want a transportable workstation that competes on a hardware spec' sheet. No surprise, Apple isn't making those. Although the next refresh will likely support more RAM, because the chips will be available. They compare it to something like a maxed out Lenovo p70. They cry price while ignoring the Lenovo in max spec with Xeon, 64GB, PCIe SSDs is a $6000 machine. I used to commute with those 8 to12 pound laptops [With lots of obsolesc-ing ports]. Dell is still shipping machines with 2 x 9-pin-din. They always neglect to include the 2 to 5 pound power supply in that figure. Also the 2 pound extra battery required by the short battery life. No thanks.
You apparently didn't read/comprehend the part about the Intel GPUs and Nvidia GPUs only being able to drive ONE external 5k display, while the AMDs could drive the Laptop, plus TWO (or, alternatively six non-5k external displays, or one 5k and four non-5k externals!)
The idea is to drive 2 x 5k large desktop displays plus the built in display. Apples solution uses 2 display channels per 5k display.
I understand this. I think some wires got crossed somewhere and people are talking about different things, sorry.
Yep. They are also ignoring the part about display port 1.3 not supported yet and other solutions only driving 8bit color. While Apple's solution drives wide color gamut. Very important for certain industries, and beautiful to behold regardless. [edited for accuracy]
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No worries. As usual though, there are those who can't see past CPU-RAM-GPU clock speed. We can try to fight it. There will still be those 2 years from now not realizing everyone is playing catch-up to Apple in balanced, useful features.
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MacPro vs. 2015 and 2016 rMBP now also on:
http://barefeats.com/hilap2016.html
http://barefeats.com/hilap2016.html
That just happens to be able to drive more external displays than the other 'non-crappy' GPUs.
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Personally, I think you should just LEAVE if you hate it that much.
Seriously.
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Really? Have you seen one in person?
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Windows 10.
I rest my case.
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That's ok. I'm sure you could have designed better.
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Yep. That's why no one but Apple is supporting it.
Oh, wait...
http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10579-laptops-thunderbolt-3/
Kool-aid much? That is absolutely untrue and I'm not sure why you're defending this card. It's a budget card in a $2500+ machine no matter how you spin it. Your username alone doesn't allow me to take you seriously.
All I want for Christmas is....the Dock with the ports I outlined. Before, after, in-between, I don't care. As long as I can have my dock with my ports.
I might be jumping into the conversation late but: https://www.owcdigital.com/products/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-3-dock-overview
I pre-ordered mine a couple days ago.
Can you back up these claims with anything more than anecdotes? There is lots of concrete evidence that Apple has never made a laptop with a killer GPU, yet suddenly Apple isn't keeping up with progress? You want them to build something they've never built. In fact their laptops of today are much closer in performance to a real workstation than they've ever been before. CPU power has closed rapidly. SSD has closed entirely if not exceeded most workstations. Connective bandwidth has closed entirely. GPU and RAM performance gaps have remained fairly steady, likely, in no small part because neither of these areas have seen the focus on power efficiency that other parts have in recent years, so there are still huge negatives to including the most powerful variants in a mobile device.
What do you want me to say? I work at a film and tv post production company we have everything from a 140k Autodesk Flame System running on Redhat Linux on a z100 with 4 Nvidia k6000 A grading theatre with davninci resolve with a cubix and 3x GTX 980ti on the 5,1 MacPro. Tons of 6,1 towers running avid all the way down to to a 2011 iMac running iMovie. We have a 16gb fibre network an millions in computer infrastructure. What do you want me to explain?
We tested the new MacBook Pros. They where not fast enough. Specially the Low end GPU. What else do you want to hear? Yeah the SSD is super fast and the screen is beautiful.
What do you specially want to know? We wanted some more computers for dit and onset work and they didn't cut it.
Well, you seem to be claiming categorically that the new MBP is somehow an outlier here. When the data clearly shows that it's not anything like that. This is the most powerful MBP ever built, including the graphics card, and by a wide margin. Yet you are obsessed with the fact that you can't do work on it that really requires dedicated workstations. It's your expectations that are wildly out of line with anything a MacBook Pro has ever been. And I'd wager good money that any laptop that contains a GPU that might handle the kind of workload you say you need would, in the real world, quickly throttle to a point that had you running back to your workstation.
The fact that you are even considering a MBP in the company of the equipment you list above speaks volumes about the MBP. Volumes in exactly the opposite direction you're trying to twist it.
Your wrong. We have had MacBook pros on our DIT carts for years. These new updates didn't keep up with the current post production standards that previous generations did.
Each year post production standards increase. Apple used to keep up. Now they have given up.
Given that there are a number of other threads here and other discussions going on where people are able to give much more specific detail as to how and why these machines are actually significantly improved, with data to back it up, I'm inclined to believe that your needs are an outlier.
So let's try this another way. How about you list some laptops that you have tried that meet your needs? From there we can determine what the tradeoffs are with those devices and/or extrapolate what the tradeoffs would be if those graphics cards were included in the MBP.
Yeah, I like your modivation, but I've been building post production pipelines for almost 15 years. I am the expert on these matters, I talk to groups and give advice and have been an authority on computers for post for some time. I've built Linux, PC and OS X pipelines. My first computers where SGI and I used to hand build and program those beasts. I'm the expert. Your missing he whole point. The problem is we being forced to switch from OS X to PC, and I have to rebuild my pipeline to keep up with the current post standard. Not that I wouldn't love some help buying hardware, but I don't need you guys to tell me which computer to buy. That's my job.
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I've been in the industry for nearly 20 years, and one thing I've learned that has never failed me is I can tell when I'm being bs'ed. And right now you are offering me nothing to convince me otherwise. I have specific detail from other folks in the film, video, and print lines of work who can give specific examples of why these machines are better than the ones that preceded them for their workflows. You are giving general anecdotes and then hedge when pressed for specifics. Textbook BS.
Again, tell us some specific laptops that meet your needs and can perform acceptably when compared to the equipment you list above. This should be simple, no?
Doubtless a Thunderbolt3 version of this is in the works. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Thu...=thunderbolt&gclid=CK6wq5WmrNACFdeKaAodJzgP3Q
A single T3 cable will charge and provide lots of bandwidth. That's your dock. One cable.
Ugh. It's like I'm arguing with my wife over dinner.
I would fill hundred pages of information for you to digest over but let me just give you my latest example. I don't have to prove I'm Pro to you. But I'll play your games.
The Alexa Camera. The first model to was the Alexa. It shot HD and 2k HD using Apple ProRes. The files where manageable using 2011 to more recent laptops as long as you had the right codecs insatalled. You could ingest using Final Cut Pro not X, and create dailies.
Right now Arri is pushing to get rid of all ProRes in their pipeline because Apple has refused to keep up with modern computer maintenance and basically left ProRes as it was for that last 10 years. A lot of people where forced to use Apple for dit and onset aquasition because ProRes is proprietary. The solution is MXF.
Now Arri has the Alexa SXT. It can shoot 4K and the only way to get an Arri raw is shooting 4K MXF. The MXF is cross platform and owned by SMPTE and others and isn't really proprietary the way ProRes is. MXF can be used in a lot of pipelines
Anyway. My point is. OpenCL and the latest MacBook Pro can barely work with these files. Blackmagic Davinci resolve is only app that can open and it is unusable with the AMD 460 and OpenCL.
The last laptops did fine for that camera standard before.
This is not fringe. This is how film and digital media is moving forward.
didn't call u sherlock, sherlock, i was reciting to the article writer sherlock.
as for power wattage goes. arguing for lowest power consumption possible is not something a "pro" laptop should be worried about, but if you must, gtx 1050 and 1050 ti is 75 watt, although 40 more. it is a far more powerful option than the amd chip in this macbook pro
LMAO, 75 Watts vs 35 Watts, Literally more than twice as much power but let's keep pushing the envelope for at best 50 minutes of batter life when the GPU is being used. This isn't supposed to be a gaming laptop, it's meant to be used for Final Cut Pro, etc... I love gaming but lets be honest, buy a gaming laptop with rainbow LEDs and spiders if you want to game
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Yep, I hear you and it does suck that they don't have a Pro Elite version that's got pluggable memory/SSD and a 1060 GPU. If the specs aren't going to cut it for you, vote with your dollar, they will listen if the sales force it. I'd rather have something light, I can carry around and do Final Cut Pro, photo editing, code, VM, etc, and occasionally game on that doesn't have a spider logo and rainbow LEDs with 50 minute battery life if the GPU kicks in.
The lower end models are expensive but spec an XPS 13 on Dell's website with the higher res screen, and match the MBP 13's other specs (256GB, 8GB,) and it will literally be the same with Windows 10 Pro, I just did it.
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LMAO, 75 Watts vs 35 Watts, Literally more than twice as much power but let's keep pushing the envelope for at best 50 minutes of batter life when the GPU is being used. This isn't supposed to be a gaming laptop, it's meant to be used for Final Cut Pro, etc... I love gaming but lets be honest, buy a gaming laptop with rainbow LEDs and spiders if you want to game
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pretty sure final cut pro would benefit from having a beefier gpu, i have no issue with macbook using 455 or 460, but charging the same premium price they charged last time for at least a medium grade card like the m370, except this time they use literally the bottom of the barrel 455 and 460, that is what i have a problem with.
All USB ports are Gen 1 only, and no Type-C ports what so ever. Out of the box, you can't connect 2x DP 1.2 4K screens. You need extra adaptors/dongles. Sorry, it's not for me.
I need 2x DP 1.2, all USB ports Gen 2.
