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New MacBook Pros Feature Brighter Displays Outdoors, Also Even Dimmer in Low Light
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Although there were software unlocks, the fact it's built in and not a hack is more comfortable. I always worried it was being 'overclocked' so to speak and could be damaging. Also, battery drain was insane, it might be better controlled if the feature is built in. Probably not.
seems like it, just like the iphone 2000 nits. only available with the sun shining on it or a similar like light
I wish they'd gone OLED
The blooming on these displays sucks
The blooming on these displays sucks
variable up-to 120Hz depending on content (so called "promotion).
Indeed, and Apple's stalling on the topic of screen imho suggests they are probably working either on maturing stacked OLED or micro/nano-LED tech.
True but the same applications that killed my M3 Max battery that fast crushed the battery in my Nvidia/Intel i9-powered Lenovo laptop in just over 20 minutes while also sounding like a 787 was landing in my office. It'll take that trade off.
MicroLED wont be available for a decade as they gave up on it due to many hardships so dual stack OLED is the only choice so far. But even then, dual stack OLED might still have its own problems such as power consumption, burn in, and more.
But still, mini-LED is already great and even reference monitors are still not using mini-LED instead of dual LCD panels.
Yes, there has been a software app called Vivid that unlocks 1000 nits in all conditions (SDR/HDR/indoor/outdoor) ever since the mini-LED MBP’s first came out. I think it also works on the Pro Display XDR but I don’t have one to test. The mini-LED display controller would figure out which part of the screen was playing in HDR and what parts were in SDR and compensate accordingly. You could literally have a video playing in a window in 1600 nits of HDR while the rest of the screen was 600 nits. I’m guessing it was software locked to save battery. The M4 family seems to have better power savings, so Apple is allowing it to get brighter, though still not under all lighting conditions.
The Vivid utility unlocks 1000 nits on all mini-LED Macs. It probably works for the new Macs as well, I would guess, since all it does is fool the OS into thinking the entire screen is displaying HDR.
From HW eng perspective
1. Possibly they change an LCD type and/or revision because manufacturer (supplier) needs to fulfill new design requirements. You forgot that Apple got warranty from panel supplier for specified amount of hrs. Then Apple validate product and can make a statement to end customers that it can be used safely without any issues during warranty period (incl. AppleCare).
2. Enabling some features by SW like extra brightness do not mean that product is ready for it. It may shorten LCD panel lifetime and battery time when current (dissipated power) will be too high. Check (O)LED TV tests on RTINGS - obsession about high brightness cause that lifetime of modern TVs is horrible and they consume a lot of power (more than old plasma tv because they increase panel size year by year). This trend has nothing to do with saving our environment and planet.
1. Possibly they change an LCD type and/or revision because manufacturer (supplier) needs to fulfill new design requirements. You forgot that Apple got warranty from panel supplier for specified amount of hrs. Then Apple validate product and can make a statement to end customers that it can be used safely without any issues during warranty period (incl. AppleCare).
2. Enabling some features by SW like extra brightness do not mean that product is ready for it. It may shorten LCD panel lifetime and battery time when current (dissipated power) will be too high. Check (O)LED TV tests on RTINGS - obsession about high brightness cause that lifetime of modern TVs is horrible and they consume a lot of power (more than old plasma tv because they increase panel size year by year). This trend has nothing to do with saving our environment and planet.
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Genuine question, just how dark does it have to be that two nits is too bright but one nit is just fine? Or is this just some marketing rounding thing?
spot on, I wish the new Macs has the same max brightness vivid gives all the time natively, not just with auto brightness outside, I always have auto off and keep brightness at max
oh, wasn't aware about the microLED being given up by apple. I'd love to read more on the topic. Got any interesting source material?
I am sure that Apple validated OLED panels but there was some issue with declared spec. and /or unit price. It is not easy to fulfill Apple requirements because it may generate large amount of scraps so cost for supplier is too high. Asus will buy such scraps because panel param variation has wide tolerance (dE does not matter) or Dell will take it because hw panel calibration is just a marketing slogan in Dells.
The battery went from 22 hours to an advertise 24 hours, so it’s very possible there could be display efficiency improvements.
The people calling it $150 for a cloth are neglecting the fact that nano texture is actually really well done and likely a pretty high end process, but the cloth that comes with it is not the same as the $19 polishing cloth, it is very different (as is the one with the AVP).
Possible, but also possible that the rating went up bc the CPU efficency went up, but we won't know for sure until a teardown.
I've had this ability since the M1, several 3rd party tools offer it.
My OLED (QD-OLED) TV ( Samsung S92C 77") has a peak power consumption of 460W. That's a LOT. Much more than my gaming PC or the PS5.
