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New MacBook Pros w/Lion - Is this true?

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http://www.mactrast.com/2011/07/rec...h-more-difficult-with-macs-shipped-post-lion/

MacTrast.com said:
The Differences

1. Apple no longer includes restore discs with new Macs.
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Wait, what? But the optical is still there. Surely Apple doesn't expect customers to now PAY for the ability to restore their OS, right? Can you do Internet Restore?

MacTrast.com said:
I tested out my theory that the new machine might have Internet Restore by removing the hard drive, and then attempting to boot the machine while holding down Command-R. Unfortunately, instead of being given the option to use Internet Restore, I instead merely got a picture of a folder with a question mark on it.

I tried two additional times, first plugging in a blank FireWire hard drive, and then installing a blank 2.5″ internal SATA drive. In both cases, I was NOT given the option to use Internet Restore, but was instead greeted with the same flashing folder with a question mark on it.
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So...no physical media, and no Internet Restore. So...a user would need to go into the App Store and just buy the...

MacTrast.com said:
Further, while it’s true that a user that knows how to obtain an installer for Mac OS X Lion (considering that if you purchase a new machine with lion you cannot download the Lion installer from the Mac App Store)
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So, basically, I have no choice but to ride my Pro and my iMac until their proverbial wheels fall off. Great. And as they die, I'll be forced to slowly but surely go back to the PC world unless Apple gets back in line and starts providing the OS in box again, be that DVD or USB, or even Internet Restore, I don't care. But there needs to be SOMETHING so I don't have to to the Apple Store in the event the as-yet-unknown SSD decides to die.
 
As of right now, only custom MacBook Pro's include the new Lion box, and Lion preinstalled. Nope, no backup disks, but I suppose you could visit a Apple store to restore. If it's too far, maybe Apple Care can help? The new boxes are great, and the new MacBook Pro's also include the new keyboard.
 
Starry said:
As of right now, only custom MacBook Pro's include the new Lion box, and Lion preinstalled. Nope, no backup disks, but I suppose you could visit a Apple store to restore. If it's too far, maybe Apple Care can help? The new boxes are great, and the new MacBook Pro's also include the new keyboard.
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For some reason I want that new keyboard haha.
 
Eddyisgreat said:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20083166-263/managing-the-os-x-10.7-lion-restore-drive/

Note that I am fully on board with your claims and hope that this tomfoolery cease at once. Major PITA.
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I saw that CNet article but MacTrast claims he tried to access the partition with the key combination and got the flashing folder. Meaning there was no way to restore AT ALL. I'm trying to understand how that's possible if Lion is supposed to automatically create a restore partition, cause again, if for some reason the Pros that now come with Lion for some reason come with NOTHING to restore from, that's a problem and I would say one that would make me jump ship back to PC.

Now that I know the key to my computing happiness is essentially the solid state drive, it doesn't really matter what hardware I own. I buy Macs because I like the hardware and the support is upper crust...but I will cross the border if this scary rumor holds true.
 
Starry said:
As of right now, only custom MacBook Pro's include the new Lion box, and Lion preinstalled. Nope, no backup disks, but I suppose you could visit a Apple store to restore. If it's too far, maybe Apple Care can help? The new boxes are great, and the new MacBook Pro's also include the new keyboard.
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theres a new keyboard?
 
IF it's like the new MBA, the dashboard key has been replaced by the LaunchPad key. Trust me when I say, the dashboard key is much more useful than the LaunchPad.
 
you can restore if you are having issues and want to make it fresh...the restore partition is there even after you format your HD. It seems the issue is with computers that had a HD crash or wanted to install a new HD, and have a totally blank drive to install Lion on. In this case, there is no internet restore available, as the drive doesn't realize it's in a mac and the mac has nothing to boot from. I assume there is a small bit of logic board storage on the new MBA's that holds the necessary information for an internet restore, something that obviously hasn't been integrated into the new MBP logic boards yet
 
So, basically, I have no choice but to ride my Pro and my iMac until their proverbial wheels fall off. Great. And as they die, I'll be forced to slowly but surely go back to the PC world unless Apple gets back in line and starts providing the OS in box again, be that DVD or USB, or even Internet Restore, I don't care. But there needs to be SOMETHING so I don't have to to the Apple Store in the event the as-yet-unknown SSD decides to die.
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As usual, what Apple tells you that you're supposed to do is different from what you can do if you just look around a bit. You can make your own hard copy of Lion from a .dmg contained within the very Lion installer that comes off of the App Store.

It isn't officially documented, but it's absolutely possible, and very easy to do:

Open the .app as an archive, go to /Contents/SharedSupport/ and extract "InstallESD.dmg" to another folder. Then you can burn it to physical media as you would any other disk image (using Disk Utility or what have you), or move it/back it up as you see fit.
 
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