New MBP 2.4 - Windows RESWITCHER's Perspective

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by lkraven, Jun 12, 2007.

  1. lkraven macrumors newbie

    Jun 10, 2006
    My first mac was the original Core Duo 17" MBP purchased over a year ago. I loved it, but the love affair went sour, and I sold it about 6 months ago.

    Today, I own a Mac Mini (bootcamped as a Windows file server), my new SR MBP 15.4 and my wife's MacBook is currently waiting on our doorstep.

    I also have a Fujitsu P1610 ultra-compact convertible tablet/notebook (fantastic for reading in bed), and a work-supplied T60 Widescreen PC Laptop. My main brain at work and home are very powerful Windows machines.

    I also have a ton of little machines/appliances running all manner of Linux OS's, including a Nokia 800 Internet Tablet.

    I will be comparing the 2.4 15" MBP to the 17" which has been sold.

    1. It is a lot lighter, or at least, it FEELS a lot more portable. There's a lot to be said for a massive, beautiful 17" screen-- but in my opinion the sheer gargantuan size of the beast prevented me from using it more often.

    2. Speedwise, I know the new Core 2 Duo and SR chipset are faster but the reality is the 17" was plenty fast, as are Mac Books-- things that are slow on the 17" are still slow on the 15", just not quite AS slow. As far as day to day responsiveness, they are both very adequate machines.

    3. Video Performance. It's huge. If you care about 3D games (Bootcamp a must), there is no contest here. I'll let others point you to the benchmarks, but just from day-to-day usage, the lower native resolution and higher performance of the chip make an astounding difference.

    4. And now, one of the major reasons the love affair ended with the 17": the screen. Don't get me wrong, I didn't have any specific issues with the 17" screen-- backlight was fine, and in general, it's a very nice screen. But the 15" is in a whole different league. Forget the LED backlighting first of all (though it is brighter and more even), and forgiving that the LED backlight, when looking at the screen under battery power, and a plain background DOES exhibit flickering when set below 100% brightness. What really blew me away, what still impresses me is how excellent the clarity of the display appears. This is what people called graininess in the 17". It was very apparent especially under Windows-- like a mottled shadow that was superimposed on the screen. It bugged the hell out of me-- greys and whites were kind of mottled, and nothing appeared crisp. In comparison, the new 15" has maybe one of the best screens I have ever seen, comparing favorably with the extremely impressive Nokia N800 screen. It is lightyears beyond my P1610 (which suffers other issues for being a touchscreen). It looks better than my 30" Dell and better than the 30" Cinema Display here at work in our Graphics Department-- at least as far as clarity.

    This laptop is fantastic. It is light enough, fast, and now with VMWare Fusion Unity and Coherance, etc, I can truly use it as my primary machine, regardless of OS preference. That means applications like Visio and Office run fine under the OSX desktop, and I still have access to applications like Scrivener, for which I purchased the 15" MBP again in the first place.

    A stellar machine-- the 4gb memory upgrade is on the way.

    Slightly off topic, one of the further reasons I both hate and love the Apple is the community. Between all the helpful, genuine, real people who make up the community, there are the sandwhich of fanboys and critics who assert that Apple can do no wrong, or can do no right, depending on the phase of the moon. I guess with any minority, among them, a smaller, more vocal, less intelligent minority must exist-- but while most PC users are your average Joe's, here we have average Joe's who now believe they are the enlightened children of some long lost deity because they have chosen this OS or platform. Just saying... most of you guys are great ;)
  2. Dustman macrumors 65816


    Apr 17, 2007
    Well put. I also don't have a very strong preference either way in the whole windows vs. mac debate. I find os x provides a more solid, pretty way to do things, where in windows, its more like you're there for a certain job, and you're goal is to get the job done, with nothing in between. imo, windows should be a more workplace based OS and mac should be a more "home edition" version, and as for MBPs, i'd only expect a smaller screen to look better. less screen to be flawed.

    Anyways, i find what you said quite insightful, and i agree, they are both very comparable and have their pro's and cons, and with the new technology in newer macs, you can have the best of both worlds

    my $0.02
  3. theBB macrumors 68020


    Jan 3, 2006
    Maybe it is a bit off-topic, but it sounds like quite a waste to use Mac Mini as just a file server. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to use a NAS, which to me is just an external harddisk with an ethernet port and some networking functions built-in?
  4. lkraven thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 10, 2006
    Couple of reasons-- it's small, and I needed something small for this space. Second, it's doing more than just file serving, it's also running a bunch of Windows based automation, including email alerts, etc. It's doing a lot more than a NAS is typically asked to do, it's just sitting on top of two mac-mini style external HD enclosures and serving up files as well.
  5. FleurDuMal macrumors 68000


    May 31, 2006
    London Town
    Good review :)

    Just interested in why you went with the 15" as opposed to 17" SR MBP? Was it the LED factor? Or just price?
  6. lkraven thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 10, 2006
    Well, having owned the 17" MBP already, I stated that it was simply just too big to be useful as a laptop for ME. For others, I am sure it would be fine... but for me, 17" is much too big to cart around every day. Had nothing to do with price, though the LED did factor in.
  7. -Nick macrumors member

    Jun 11, 2007
    Nice story/review.

    I'm very close to switching for the first time and its good to hear that Apple's newest updates have pleased you. Unfortunately, I'm a poor student going into University, so a MBP is out of the question due to the expensiveness. I hope a MB will please as much as your new MBP has :)
  8. sikkinixx macrumors 68020


    Jul 10, 2005
    Rocketing through the sky!
    Props for the review, very well put. I'm debating between a mbp or a mb +iMac (whenever the new one's come out) so well written thoughts like yours are useful for those of use who are sitting on the fence between laptop and desktop.
  9. Episteme macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2007
    Just out of curiousity, what soured you on the original MBP?
  10. Daveway macrumors 68040


    Jul 10, 2004
    New Orleans / Lafayette, La
  11. lkraven thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 10, 2006
    I have the matte screen.

    Couple of things... one of them was the graininess was driving me nuts in Windows-- and mostly, it was just too big to lug around, and I was carrying it around a lot.
  12. Episteme macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2007
    Thanks. :)

    The graininess would have driven me nuts too.
  13. anirban macrumors 6502a


    Jan 9, 2007
    Houston, TX
    A good review- especially for me since I am coming from a Windows/UNIX background as well. The MBP is going to be my first Macintosh machine and it will be interesting to see how it will work out.

    My major concern was the weight and size- because I intend to carry it around all day, every day. After reading your post, I think that I will be fine with the weight and size.
  14. keenkreations macrumors regular

    May 20, 2005
    As long as you are not playing 3d games on your Macbook or running Final Cut Pro, you should be fine :)
    Definitely would say carrying around a 15inch MPB is more feasible than a 17inch MPB. Lol.
    For the Mac Mini running the server stuff...sounds like a great idea! I definitely need a file server for the whole family to view media from and other random stuff, rather than having redundant copies on each computer.

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