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You really think the 3850 is going to run cooler than the 9600? It's still a high end part. Apple doesn't use high end GPUs. The 3850 is high end. The 9600 is mid range.

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Did this post get ENTIRELY ignored? Because it has a good point. The 2.4Ghz and 2.53Ghz Penryn/Montevina processors have 25W TDPs, unlike the 35W TDPs on 2.4Ghz and 2.5Ghz Penryn/SR chips they will be replacing. Did it occur to anyone else that this could easily make room for a bigger GPU? Also, may I remind everyone that we DO NOT HAVE HEAT/TDP INFO ON THE HD 3800s? People seem adamant that they run too hot, yet we don't even know how hot they run!

I can't seem to find the processors you are talking about, or at least ones that will be released before Q1 2009. I see 2.4 and 2.53Ghz processors with a 25W TDP, but none that would be out before the refresh (if the current rumors hold true and things are updated in a month or so).

On top of that I have a funny feeling that it doesn't work like that. I don't think you can trade TDPs, I think you need to look at the individual TDPs; what I mean is you'd wind up with a cool CPU and a melted GPU. I could be wrong but somehow I don't know we are talking about total TDP.

But still: You'd want a slower CPU? Really? All you are doing is shifting the bottleneck, guys. You need to find how how much a 8600GT taxes the CPU because with a 2.53Ghz CPU you are just wasting that 8800. I'm not saying you shouldn't have the option to choose what you want (as long as they don't change the case just to accommodate the GPU), but if they do allow you to go this route I hope Apple gives us a BTO option for the 2.8Ghz CPU and a 9600. I don't need a better GPU then that, it seems you do.

Can't we all just get along? :p
 
You really think the 3850 is going to run cooler than the 9600? It's still a high end part. Apple doesn't use high end GPUs. The 3850 is high end. The 9600 is mid range.

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If you talk to most mobile GPU enthusiasts, the 3850 is still considered a mid range card, just at the top end of the mid-range.

Whether a card is mid-range or high-end is not determined by whether or not you think it will appear in a MBP I'm afraid.
 
If you talk to most mobile GPU enthusiasts, the 3850 is still considered a mid range card, just at the top end of the mid-range.

Whether a card is mid-range or high-end is not determined by whether or not you think it will appear in a MBP I'm afraid.
The Mobility HD3850 wasn't a midrange card at launch and it still isn't today.
 
Haha, lets start disregarding good reasons that everyone agrees on in a historical and present context.

While you're at it you should hope for SLI and Crossfire.
 
I've been talking to some peeps on a notebook gpu forum and apparently the 8700M GT runs hotter than the 8800M GTX, and considering the 9700M GT is a die shrunk 8700M GT, and the 9600M GT is only 65nm, it is probably actually a good bit hotter than ATI's HD 3850.

So in other words, surely a 9600M GT isn't a safe bet at all, but a long shot.
They're also adamant that the 9600M GT will be cooler than the 3850 despite it being 65nm while the 3850 is 55nm!
Process size isn't the sole determinant of TDP.

For example, the quad-core 45 nm Core 2 Duo is hotter than the dual-core 65 nm Core 2 Duo.

Although a smaller process usually means you can either have increased performance for same power draw, or lower power for the same performance, it only goes so far.

I can't seem to find the processors you are talking about, or at least ones that will be released before Q1 2009. I see 2.4 and 2.53Ghz processors with a 25W TDP, but none that would be out before the refresh (if the current rumors hold true and things are updated in a month or so).
Here. Release date: July 14, 2008.

On top of that I have a funny feeling that it doesn't work like that. I don't think you can trade TDPs, I think you need to look at the individual TDPs; what I mean is you'd wind up with a cool CPU and a melted GPU. I could be wrong but somehow I don't know we are talking about total TDP.
I could be wrong, but what's the difference between a 35 W CPU and a 35 W GPU?
 
0 watts obviously :p

I'd rather take the processor boost. OpenCL with Snow Leopard will be great, but the big benefit will really go to the Macbook, as the MBP is powerful enough already (Which is not to say that the MBP will have less of a benefit).
 
That's a good one. Apple used to get GPUs a year and a half after they were released to the PC market.

They'll never have GPU exclusivity; they won't have anything better than a 9700 or comparable ATI card; they're not making them thicker. Please end this thread.

**** dude, a 9700M GT would be fine.
 
omfg
this thread really needs to die,
you all know that apple is gonna put a mid range card,
so why do yous have to argue so much,
i would hate to see the macbook pro to get any thicker, it just a bit thicker than my ds
also apple would more readily put a nvidia quadro (or whatever they are called) in their macbook pro cause it is a card for graphic design and i think allot of the people that use the macbook pro

cut this dam thread
the 9600m gt is a good card for everything
it games good, does graphic design good, hell im waiting for someone to tell me what it cant do well
 
omfg

cut this dam thread
the 9600m gt is a good card for everything
it games good, does graphic design good, hell im waiting for someone to tell me what it cant do well

It plays Crysis on medium settings 25-35fps

:/

they could sort something out for the 17inch at least!
like an SLi cause of the space
 
they could sort something out for the 17inch at least! like an SLi cause of the space

Hmm. Choose between either SLI or dual HDDs (just for Digital Skunk) in the 17"...

Not a bad idea, except Apple has never denied a hardware option because of another selection already in place.

Dual HDDs is FAR more likely than nVidia actually offering SLI in a Mac, for crying out loud.
 
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