New MBP Graphics Radeon 450 vs Surface Book 965M

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Starfyre, Oct 27, 2016.

  1. Starfyre macrumors 68030

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    That new graphics card in the new macbook pro Radeon 450 Pro, is it comparable to the 965M in the Surface book? This is the only thing thats keeping me from ordering.
     
  2. mateo124 macrumors regular

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    Couldn't find numbers for any of the new GPUs, I'd like to know as well.
     
  3. Starfyre thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Sounds like there are both 450 and 460. I wonder how much difference that pro designation makes. Based on the non pro distinction it looks like surface books 965M gtx is on top.
     
  4. RevToTheRedline macrumors 6502a

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    The numbers are on AMD's website, even the Radeon Pro 460 the highest option is slower than a GTX 965M, i fact the Radeon 455 is the same performance as the 2015 R9 M370X and this is according to AMD's own mouth.

    Apple goofed up again, Nvidia is still king. why couldn't they have gone Nvidia.
     
  5. Trahearne macrumors 6502

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    GTX 965M is on par with or slight slower than RX 460 (desktop). Pro 450/455/460 all clocked slower than RX 460.
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    AMD claims all these GPUs are running with a 35W cap. 965M is said to have a 75W cap.
     
  6. mikeo007 macrumors 65816

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    The 460 is roughly the 965m, but with half the power draw.
     
  7. RevToTheRedline macrumors 6502a

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    I have a feeling the race to be thin truly killed what could have been a great performer, I figure paper numbers are only the start of whats to come. It's clear already under many situations that the 2015 MBP had some thermal throttling issues at the thickness it was, the thinner MBP will suffer the same if not worse.

    It's close but the 965M is still more powerful at 1.98TFlops and higher overall memory bandwidth as AMD is stating the Radeon Pro 460 is 1.83TFlops. That aside the 965M is a poor example and a bad choice that it was used in the new Surface, as the 10 series Nvidia cards crush these new MBP offerings.
     
  8. Bobby Corwen macrumors 68030

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    So what games can it run at max settings?

    Where are we at as far as graphics power. Is it as good as PS4?

    What graphics settings can it run lets say... Witcher 3? (with hair physics)
     
  9. Appleaker macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, something like a 1040 or 35W 1050 would have been amazing, but they have special relations with AMD. Since AMD are still behind Nvidia in many respects, that deal is unlikely to end anytime soon.
    I would love to see the 1000-series cards in the new iMacs - The RX 400-series max out at around the same performance as a 980M.
     
  10. TheRealAlex macrumors 65816

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    Yeah Unlikely Free Sync or GSYNC support is a Deal breaker for me.
     
  11. DSTOFEL macrumors 6502

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    One thing to consider: even if the graphics are equivalent, the new MBP 15 has a 45 watt quad core CPU. The updated i7 Surface Book is almost certainly still a 2 core 15 watt CPU....like all other Surface Books. So there is that!

    Don't get me wrong....I just recently switched from a 15 MBPR to a surface book (i5, discrete GPU model). It fits my needs perfectly (Microsoft Office and Lightroom/Photoshop mainly) and I love it! Glad I made the switch after seeing the prices today on the new MBP's. The Surface Book cost me $1,250 (650 below list) I can throw in a nice Samsung SUHD TV to boot and still have some change left over
     
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  13. Starfyre thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Half of me is now saying wait till Kaby Lake is out and MBP updates gfx, would be nice to see be benchmarks. Maybe by the time iPhone 8 comes out I won't have to worry about getting an adapter to plug my iPhone in. Surface book is nice, but when I tried it in store the hinge design was very flimsy in laptop mode.
     
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  15. TallManNY macrumors 601

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    Adapter to plug your iPhone in? You can buy a USB-C to Lightning cables for $7 from Amazon. You can buy a two pack of adapters for $8 now as well. Wait a few weeks and you will be able to buy an Amazon branded version for a few dollars more.

    When will people learn, the whole port connector issue is never an issue. Remember the complaint about switching from 30-Pin to lightning? Basically it was a none issue as lightning cables were everywhere in six months. USB-C is a standard connection which will be very common. Order your Macbook Pro now and solutions will be readily available from reputable sources before your MacBook Pro ships.
     
  16. mmarcus178 macrumors newbie

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    Maybe you're right about the port issue. I'm not sold on it, but so be it. But I'm a pretty avid photographer -- a demo that Apple used to care about. They just took away the SD card slot. Basic, functional. Just worked. My RX1R doesn't do wifi transfers or anything. Apple used to focus on laptops that just worked. They've now sacrificed that. You can talk about form vs. function, you can talk about the future of computer -- I don't really care. I want my sh^t to be simple and easy. The new laptops make things more complicated, they make me carry around more crap. That's antithetical to how I want to live and how I thought Apple designed its products.
     
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    Doesn't OSX allow for the system to draw from the RAM pool to compensate when needed? There was a big section in a keynote about this a year or two ago....
     
  18. justin216 macrumors 6502

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    Radeon Pro 450 = ~M370X from last generation's 15" rMBP, which is between a nVidia 940M and 950M
    Radeon Pro 455 = Just under an nVidia 960M
    Radeon Pro 460 = Just under an nVidia 965M
     
  19. Clint_Barton macrumors 6502

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    No, not for the dedicated cards. The skylake integrated graphics can draw from system ram, (up to 64gb), but the dedicated cards can not use system ram
     

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