that's what I tell people. Every mac comes with the "restore" discs that are just the complete osx and no other bloat whatsoever. none of that random aol trials, some random 3rd party antivirus trials and such.
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that's what I tell people. Every mac comes with the "restore" discs that are just the complete osx and no other bloat whatsoever. none of that random aol trials, some random 3rd party antivirus trials and such.
So true. I used to use a PC for video editing and quickly found out that if you want to be competitive, you use a Mac for film. It's what everybody else uses, very few use PC's. Also, I agree she can't be much of a filmmaker if she is considering a laptop as a serious machine for editing. For basic stuff, ie wedding videos, non-professional stuff it'll do the trick. Not for anything serious though, not really. You could do an offline edit on a laptop sure but not for your online.
Also, I agree with the point about OS X being more efficient. My XP computer bogs down like crazy on 1 GB and becomes way less efficient the older the install of the OS gets.
On my Macbook, 1 Gb runs Leopard perfectly. What's more, at the production company I used to work at, we had Tiger running on old old G4 PowerMacs, and it ran perfectly. We were authoring DVD reels and never had a crash in a year of work.
Windows is just a resource hog.
Huh? It's supposed to be taken literally, she doesn't buy fictional laptops, the fact that she presents an entirely wrong and skewed reality is the issue here.
Which reminds me...
Adium (As mentioned)
AppCleaner (free version of AppZapper)
AppFresh (update utility)
Audacity
Bowtie (Free iTunes controls)
Burn
Carbon Copy Cloner (Donationware—uncrippled shareware)
Cyberduck
Darwine
FileZilla
Fluidtunes (to play with. always fun to show off...)
Geektool (ofc)
(GIMP?)
Google whatnot
Jubler (Subtitles)
Keyboard cleaner (make your computer ignore any output until you press cmd-Q)
KisMAC
LiquidCD (Burning app)
Mercury Messenger
Microsoft Messenger
NetNewsWire
Omni whatnot (some Omni products are free...)
Onyx
Perian (as mentioned)
Quicksilver (that alone makes Mac OS X worth it...)
Stuffit Expander (free—no restrictions as long as you're decompressing)
Textwrangler (I use BBEdit but TextWrangler is sufficient)
Transmission (Torrent client)
Vidalia (Tor)
VLC (as mentioned)
PS. I left out all the browsers.
PPS. It's interesting... everytime I boot into Xp and I need to, say, find some software, crippleware (or shareware if you prefer) is everywhere while good quality freeware is hard to find (maybe because there's less "bad" freeware on macs to begin with—the bad ones don't get any support... while on the PC world "bad" freeware gets a little support anyway because of the sheer amount of people....)
PPS. For a more comprehensive list, try here or here or here or here or here or here or here or here(page 2, page 3).
—OR—
Try this list of other lists... (not all freeware though.)
I sorta agree with applecultvictim here... Microsoft made the ad look the "bangbros" way.. like how they picked up a person off the street and asked them which laptop they want.. Which is partially true, they are real people, but this is prearranged... Which is misleading at the least or blatantly wrong...
Mmm, just wondering. Is Vista actually capable of addressing 4GB in the 32bit version? I know XP wasn't.
Nope. It isn't.
Mac OS X "Leopard" 10.5 can, I think, but 10.5 itself is not fully 64bit... (but will be in June as of general consensus of speculation)
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html
PS. hope this helps a bit: http://rd2.macnn.com/2008/06/17/myths-of-snow-leopard-2-32-bit-support/
PPS. And this: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/26/road-to-mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard-64-bits/
Yes, some parts aren't yet in 64 but the OS has no problem managing 32GB +.
Well, I hope our aspiring movie editor does get thrown in 64bit Vista then 😉
This is what I was trying to get at. Most people don't care about the other aspects of the screen because they don't know about them. Using your car analogy, its like someone who wants to but a car with a 3L engine. The average consumer probably realizes that other factors can make a car more or less powerful then just its engine size but they don't know enough about it too care. Same screen size. For most people its the bigger the better. This is who this ad is pointed at.
Another point is that she never says what type of film maker she is. If i whip together some clips to put on youtube then technically I could call my self a film maker. Maybe thats all she wants to do in which case it doesn't need the industry standard film making software. What Microsoft is trying to do by pointing out she is an artist is too show people that whilst Macs are generally considered "creative" and windows is for "productivity" windows can also be used for creativity.
What people have got to remember is that this is an MS ad of course its not going to do a non-bias comparison between Macs and PCs.
Not really got that much to do with mac, mainly an avi problem.... if the software exists on windows then people will have to show there is a demand for it on mac. and then people can make the software
I was always under the impression that mac had a different way of addressing ram that allowed for the use of 4GB.
It was talked about alot during the set by Appleinsider about snow leopard.
this one i thing http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/26/road_to_mac_os_x_10_6_snow_leopard_64_bits.html&page=1
DMann
macrumors 601
Saying you can't do video editing on a Laptop doesn't know what he or she is talking about
The newest macbook pro's or even the Macbook's are not that bad for editing
But to come back on the commercial here are things where you know she's just playing an act:
first 12 sec
- she needs a laptop with fast processor (all new laptops got that)
- a large screen (every brand has 17 inch laptops)
- cut video (using what program! on which resolution!)
12/27 sec
- Sales man says "this has a very fast processor" but not saying which one
- The girl says "macbook had only 2gb of ram" yeah it does so.... still much more capable of performing at video editing than a laptop with vista that has 4 or 6GB of RAM
27/39 sec
- She needs a big screen screen ow no wait she want a smaller one now
- Is this grafics card powerfull she asked? but she just implied that she knew what she was talking about when she was holding her shoulders up about the RAM part on a macbook! indeed WOW 😀
40/till the end
- She want a wide screen, super fast (whatever that may mean), not to big (is she blind)
- the sales guy says "i'll be right back" she says YES but doesn't look him in the eyes "are all pc uses that arrogant?
for those $2000,- she should buy some bigger tits in stead because she has no clue at all what she wants or needs
The newest macbook pro's or even the Macbook's are not that bad for editing
But to come back on the commercial here are things where you know she's just playing an act:
first 12 sec
- she needs a laptop with fast processor (all new laptops got that)
- a large screen (every brand has 17 inch laptops)
- cut video (using what program! on which resolution!)
12/27 sec
- Sales man says "this has a very fast processor" but not saying which one
- The girl says "macbook had only 2gb of ram" yeah it does so.... still much more capable of performing at video editing than a laptop with vista that has 4 or 6GB of RAM
27/39 sec
- She needs a big screen screen ow no wait she want a smaller one now
- Is this grafics card powerfull she asked? but she just implied that she knew what she was talking about when she was holding her shoulders up about the RAM part on a macbook! indeed WOW 😀
40/till the end
- She want a wide screen, super fast (whatever that may mean), not to big (is she blind)
- the sales guy says "i'll be right back" she says YES but doesn't look him in the eyes "are all pc uses that arrogant?
for those $2000,- she should buy some bigger tits in stead because she has no clue at all what she wants or needs
DMann
macrumors 601
Someday, however rather unlikely, MS might discover that incongruencies and oversights as blatant as these are simply ineffective in selling any product, let alone Windows, which, for their own sake, was far better off not mentioned at all.
Stop lying Microsoft... My girlfriend bought a HP notebook a year and a monht ago, just like I bough my MacBook Pro.
This week, her PC wroke! I mean... it wont turn up! she had a problem some months ago and they change the battery of the notebook but still the problem and now is even worse.
Dont think only on $$$ and specs. There is a whole difference under this machines, and the service included when you buy it.
By the way... both are same display size 13-inch. MBP is lighter and thinner than HP.
"You PC is wroken? You keep it"
This week, her PC wroke! I mean... it wont turn up! she had a problem some months ago and they change the battery of the notebook but still the problem and now is even worse.
Dont think only on $$$ and specs. There is a whole difference under this machines, and the service included when you buy it.
By the way... both are same display size 13-inch. MBP is lighter and thinner than HP.
"You PC is wroken? You keep it"
pdxflint
macrumors 68020
on may 3 at 9:27 eastern time on fox there was a new one with a kid and his mom wanting a gaming computer for 1500.they picked the sony vaio they commented the mac 13.3 inch was too small but the had enough for a bigger mac ? btw mircosoft doesnt make hardware so they advertize sony and HP.Mac Mini ipod touch airport express apple tv macbook pro
Actually that ad is the third one, and has been out a couple of weeks now. It's even more ridiculous than the others. They want a gaming laptop...? For $1500? Just get the kid an XBox or PS3. And a white Macbook. He's eleven years old, he probably would really prefer the game console. Again, the "let's go check out the Macs" routine - same in every commercial - where lust is expressed, then the anti-Mac myth non-reality sets in, and Macs are dismissed fairly quickly as if they are just luxuries, not useful tools. In the one with the kid and his mom...she (right on script) suggests looking at the Macs, and he seems actually interested in a Mac (c'mon, he's a kid...sure he'd be interested in a Mac,) but then Mom tells him (paraphrasing here...) "Whoa... these are expensive, Dude." One cuts shows the kid playing with a white Macbook (<$1000) and saying, "these are kinda small..." and with enough prodding from Mom finally relents, and says, "Maybe we should go PC," while Mom gives him a ugly grimace-face, showing her approval of his decision to disapprove of the Mac idea... (I mean, get a load of her expression (eeeyyuuww...!) when the kid finally gives up on the idea of a Mac.... it's almost too obvious, yet is clearly scripted to send additional subliminal negative vibes out there to any ignorant viewer who may have been tempted to check out Macs someday. Eeeeyyuuww... yuckie Macs...oooohh, gross!) It's really silly. And actually, unwittingly funny.
The really funny thing is, anyone half aware of current technology will be more likely to have their positive impressions of Macs reinforced by these MS commercials. These commercials are all classics - and they'll not make any difference in the long run. It's just Microsoft preaching to the previously/formerly converted, trying to keep them from leaving the church. "Oh, there's evil out there in the world, my children <hint: Macs>. Ignore this temptation, and continue to do your penance in these 'walls.' We have fun things to do here, and will protect you from progressiveness which threatens the world we know."
Jeez. I'm not supporting MS or Mac here but you guys are just saying the ad is bad because it doesn't tell the whole truth about Mac vs MS.
What kind of ad would it be if it went like this:
"This is the only Mac for under $2000 and its only got 2gb of ram but Mac osx is soo much better then MS so i think ill go the mac"
"She is a Mac"
or
"I want a gaming laptop under $1500. Man these laptops are expensive" :looks at a Mac: "and MS laptops always "wroke?!?" so i wont get that i'll get a PS# instead."
"He is a PS3"
Seriously guys these are MS ads, of course they are going to portray PC as better then Macs
What kind of ad would it be if it went like this:
"This is the only Mac for under $2000 and its only got 2gb of ram but Mac osx is soo much better then MS so i think ill go the mac"
"She is a Mac"
or
"I want a gaming laptop under $1500. Man these laptops are expensive" :looks at a Mac: "and MS laptops always "wroke?!?" so i wont get that i'll get a PS# instead."
"He is a PS3"
Seriously guys these are MS ads, of course they are going to portray PC as better then Macs
Your link doesn't work but nevertheless Leopard is addressing 64bit and, special ways or not, it simply allows to address much more than 4GB.
Sesshi
macrumors G3
Actually, there's Vegas Pro and associated paraphenalia which, although different, is just as capable as FCS in a variety of so-called professional applications. This is even if we were to take the MS advertising - which has so far had more factual holes than you can drive an Apple Store through - at face value, which is something you obviously shouldn't do in term of any form of advertising.
Which makes the fawning over the, if anything even less factually inclusive, Apple ads by almost everyone on this board rather 'pat on the head' pathetic, but never mind.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of art direction can edit video competently on either package. It's what else you can do that sets you apart IMO - and for a complete workflow for a singleton producer reliant on one platform for all of his/her needs, one could argue that Windows is actually more versatile due to more tools being available for all elements of design and associated niches, although FCS has some extremely compelling modules for making footage look their best as well.
Vegas is what I use in preference to FCS most of the time, although I have a few licenses floating around.
And while the Mac does have the ability to run Windows the EFI emulation + drivers isn't even as solid in comparison to even consumer Windows machines, let alone actually Pro-use hardware of the likes of HP Elitebooks, Dell Precisions, etc.
Of course, my preference doesn't take into account the sharing of projects - which I fully acknowledge is a factor for many professionals, and why I have FCS-capable / dedicated Pros lying around - but if you're a singleton and essentially self-contained to producing end-user footage, this isn't necessarily a big deal-breaker.
If you're happy with the same consumer-grade / basic-business hardware as Apple's 'Pro' offerings, the cost of a top-configured Dell XPS 16 or an HP DV 16, both with uplifted warranties and/or accidental damage insurance + Vegas + a few extensions = considerably less than MBP17 + FCS. The truth is that there's very little you need to do on a Mac these days in terms of media, even if you're looking for the best - or comparably the best - working experience. It's just that many people prefer to stick to what they know once they've learned it because they're not mentally agile, or their enterprise is already invested in a platform.
I'm a film maker too - and have worked for some of the most well known production houses on both documentary films and entertainment focussed formats.
If I'm making films for myself/youTube - or something quick turnaround where quality and adhering to broadcast standards aren't all that important I use FCP...
I'm definitely a Mac person - but I have to dissagree that macs are the standard in the film/TV production world. This just isn't true. Their has been a big shift towards FCP in recent years, but it still makes up a small fraction of the pro film/TV/post market share.
Almost everywhere I have worked they have used Avid suites (PC based, usually specialist high end HP rigs with dedicated video subsystems), with the exception of the higher end post houses which have always (and still do) used Discreet systems (Unix/Linux based) with Smoke, Flame or even Inferno.
The reasons why pro's DONT use Macs when it comes to broadcast film and video are as follows:
a) Cost - no two ways about it, a mac setup costs more. A hell of a lot more than you'd even think when you factor in the fact that dedicated video capture cards, network storage solutions and
b) Training - even if FCP were (and some argue it is) better than Avid / Flame - there just aren't enough certified editors out there who have been trained up to pro standard. If I need an editor at short notice to finish a piece going to broadcast the following day, I want to be told the agency don't have an available editor to do the job.
c) Editors don't like FCP - I know this might draw a lot of shouts, but having worked with literally hundreds of editors in the past ten years, I can't remember one that has ever sung the praises of FCP over Avid or Flame. Maybe it's because it's not what they know - but either-way, it's still a problem.
d) Cost. Did I mention that already? Macs ARE over priced. I don't mind paying more to own a sexy looking laptop - it's a fashion accessory too. But for a post production department building up 5 or 6 edit suites, all those premiums for a sexy machine soon add up into the tens of thousands and believe me, I don't care what the machine I edit on looks like as long as it gets the job done. I'd rather spend the extra 10k on extra storage, or upgrading the processors, video boards etc to make my life easier in the edit!
Did the woman in the ad make the right choice? Well, I'd sooner have the Mac. One thing I can say about Mac is that it's just more reliable (once you have it replaced 4 times because of Apples total lack of quality control). The Mac I have now I've had for almost 4 years and it runs just as fast as the day I bought it. In the same time frame I've been through 4 PC's and each has ground to a halt after a year or so requiring me to go out and buy the latest to get similar performance.
But the fact she chose a PC is pretty irrelevant because home editing which FCP is great for is a different beast to pro editing for broadcast.
This might have been already covered... but MOST modern video editors use a laptop at LEAST some of time... Pixar and Dreamworks (animation?) aren't editing live action... I'm a pro, and I don't know one editor under 55 who doesn't have a macbook pro with final cut...
Sorry if someone's already covered this...
I really think that PC Hunter commercials are all garbage. They are misleading and don't really address what Microsoft sells... software.
DMann
macrumors 601
Yet, this seems to be the only viable option for MS - distract consumers from the Vista debacle by advertising something else - merchandise which, quite indirectly, benefits them.
you're right about editors liking AVID better if they're used to it, but sorry, while the PCs may be cheaper to run it, a proper AVID setup is many times as much as an MAC + FCP... like about 10 grand for a broadcast setup... that's about the same as a RAIDED MAC, cards, monitor, and FCP... THere's a reason people are switching slowly away from AVID...
Hmmm.... This ad is selling the software. How many people go and buy a laptop with no operating system on it and then go and buy Vista or XP or OSX or what ever? Probably none. So by advertising hardware that comes with windows they are advertising their software. They get a cut from every computer sold with their operating system.
But I kinda see what you mean if you are referring to the fact that the software is not what is used to sway the person towards a PC. Maybe MS just realizes that everyone already knows the ups and downs of windows and doesn't feel the need to reinforce it?