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New NVIDIA-based iMacs Imminent? More Hints.

thomasthompson said:
Hi everyone!
Went to a high end PC store, togehter with one of my best friends who is in the IT-industry himself (and he loves Macs but supported my idea to compare both Macs and PCs).
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This means nothing to me; IT-industry people are a dime a dozen. ...and alot of them know nothing about hardware anyway. I've been to a lot of trade shows/conferences and talked to a lot of these guys and I look at what they're using themselves and hardware purchases for the most part have not been well thought out. They look at specs and who sells for cheapest which is fine, because most of them are buying computers for people who don't really know how to use them anyway (at least not to the fullest potential) and who have lived in Windows world forever anyway and care about 2 things: can I still play Solitaire and can I run Word Perfect 3.0.

thomasthompson said:
Long story short: I have a nice DELL PC at home now with all the features you guys dream of in a iMAC - but with the big difference that the PC I have costs me around 35 percent less than a MAC of this power will cost when it ever comes out. Even better: costs me much less than the old iMac right now. Apple mad me blind to realize that all I wanted already exists - just not in an Apple desktop machine. And if it will, it will costs far too much.

Now I am laughing at myself that I even considered to wait another week or so for the new iMac. And if none would have been out, wanted to buy the best they have right now (the old one). Imagine how much I would have overpaid this old Memory and Processor. For what you get right now, the machines should be half price.

Apple made me blind, I am happy that I woke up.
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We're not laughing at you - we're laughing with you. Seriously. You just keep comparing your Apples to Oranges and seeing where it gets you. In all seriousness though you bought what you were comfortable with and that's fine. And I could care less who you are loyal to; it's a computer purchase--means nothing to me, but have fun with Windows Vista--oh and the much anticipated Windows 7. If you ever actually used your Mac for running anything more than your AOL e-mail, it won't take you long--you'll be back.

Everything Microsoft does these days seems to be without reason. The tons of versions of Windows 7 to chose from; the Jerry Seinfeld ad campaign; VISTA; the daily reports of viruses that have spread on PC's...the lack of creativity, innovation and sense. If that's who's running the show I'm staying off that train. Oh, and it has been so nice to not have to reformat my hard drive every 3 months just to keep my computer running fast. ...and so nice to not have to run SpyBot an AdAware and AVG every other day to find the latest cookies/spyware on my computer.
 
j5045096 said:
In any event, have fun with your Dell man; it's just like buying a Toyota/Lexus or one of GM's latest flops. Hey like it's the new Chevy... (insert cheap random name here); 15 minutes later you drive it off the lot, it's depreciated in half and will be discontinued as a model in 2 years (after there is a Pontiac, Buick and Saturn version of it with same innerds, yet different name plate); yet your Toyota/Lexus holds it's value and actually runs past 125,000 miles trouble free.
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Funny you should use the car analogy, that's what I always do :)
The way I see it:

Mac =Mercedes
Sony = BMW
Dell = Ford
 
GonzoRob said:
Funny you should use the car analogy, that's what I always do :)
The way I see it:
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If Apple made a car:

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If Dell/HP/Gateway/Acer/etc. made a car:

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GonzoRob said:
Funny you should use the car analogy, that's what I always do :)
The way I see it:

Mac =Mercedes
Sony = BMW
Dell = Ford
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See Ford to me isn't half bad these days (I still wouldn't buy one though)...except for that stupid new Flex thing they made--the black one with a white top looks like a hearse...have you seen it? But GM, Chrysler--sure that works!
 
j5045096 said:
Oh, and it has been so nice to not have to reformat my hard drive every 3 months just to keep my computer running fast. ...and so nice to not have to run SpyBot an AdAware and AVG every other day to find the latest cookies/spyware on my computer.
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If all that is happening to your system, then you're doing something wrong. I suggest you exercise more caution on the internet.
 
Independence said:
If all that is happening to your system, then you're doing something wrong. I suggest you exercise more caution on the internet.
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Windows does get slower with time, and it's normal to find a lot of tracking cookies. They're useless though, the real problems come with Trojans, viruses and worms.
 
j5045096 said:
I switched to Mac 2 years ago BECAUSE of the hardware. I had purchased a new Toshiba laptop and sent it back because when it came it just felt like the same old crap I'd been using for 10 years and a friend of mine had a MacBook. I played with it for 30 minutes, asked him what the learning curve would be to master OSX and figured out what I needed to do. Yes, I was sold on the OS, but the hardware was just...different. Felt like some thought had been put into it and it was better designed. Spec-wise, yes, Dell will kick you out a laptop running 3.0ghz but it's WINDOWS. Hasn't the rule with Mac always been that even though spec is lower (processor speed etc.) that architecture/OSX made it comparably faster?

I had heard this dating back to the G4 processor--that a 1.25 G4 was like a 2.4 Pentium 4.

In any event, have fun with your Dell man; it's just like buying a Toyota/Lexus or one of GM's latest flops. Hey like it's the new Chevy... (insert cheap random name here); 15 minutes later you drive it off the lot, it's depreciated in half and will be discontinued as a model in 2 years (after there is a Pontiac, Buick and Saturn version of it with same innerds, yet different name plate); yet your Toyota/Lexus holds it's value and actually runs past 125,000 miles trouble free.
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Are you talking to me specifically on both paragraph?
Because if you are,you should read what I said about laptops again.
I'm a Mac guy, has been for as long as I remember. You got me confused with the other dude.
 
thomasthompson said:
Hi everyone!

Normally I don't post here, just reading the rumors.

Every post, like this one here about a possible new iMac, made me hope because I am waiting for the new iMac for some time now like many of you too. Untill I realized how stupid it was.

I am 40 years old and had several Mac Desktop Machines since I was 16. And had no reason to chance that. Untill now.

Professionally, I work with both, PC's and Mac's. At home I prefer Mac's, for several reasons, mainly because I got used to it and the machines look great.

But the waiting game made me think twice. I have enough money to buy whatever I want, so why care? But after some serious research I realized that I need to think twice what I want.

Went to a high end PC store, togehter with one of my best friends who is in the IT-industry himself (and he loves Macs but supported my idea to compare both Macs and PCs).

Long story short: I have a nice DELL PC at home now with all the features you guys dream of in a iMAC - but with the big difference that the PC I have costs me around 35 percent less than a MAC of this power will cost when it ever comes out. Even better: costs me much less than the old iMac right now. Apple mad me blind to realize that all I wanted already exists - just not in an Apple desktop machine. And if it will, it will costs far too much.

Now I am laughing at myself that I even considered to wait another week or so for the new iMac. And if none would have been out, wanted to buy the best they have right now (the old one). Imagine how much I would have overpaid this old Memory and Processor. For what you get right now, the machines should be half price.

Agree, don't have that great looking machine, but the PC's don't look that bad anymore and have more I would have seen with a iMac - and if it would have been in the new iMac, it would have been more expensive. And I am flexible to upgrade for little money.

Don't kill me. I did that with a broken Apple heart. Apple does great stuff like phones, ipods and other thinks, but when it comes to desktops the better look versus poor performance does not justify the high price.

Apple made me blind, I am happy that I woke up.
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Well I have just sold my iMAC G5 iSight for £450 it was just about 3.5 years old...........let's see what the dell is worth in 3.5 years :) With such a low depreciation you have to take that into account when buying IMHO. I just wish i had the courage of my conviction to pull the trigger on a Mac Pro now. !!! I think i'll just wait for the new iMac's though.
 
mrfrosty said:
Well I have just sold my iMAC G5 iSight for £450 it was just about 3.5 years old...........let's see what the dell is worth in 3.5 years :) With such a low depreciation you have to take that into account when buying IMHO. I just wish i had the courage of my conviction to pull the trigger on a Mac Pro now. !!! I think i'll just wait for the new iMac's though.
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The iMac will be worth quite a bit more in three and a half years. From personal experience, it will have reached the end of its useful lifecycle long before that though. For a lot of users that Dell might be a much better tool. Apple seems to be interested in only the two extreme ends of the spectrum these days.
 
EmperorDarius said:
Windows does get slower with time, and it's normal to find a lot of tracking cookies. They're useless though, the real problems come with Trojans, viruses and worms.
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Windows 9x had issues with getting slower over time. NT is far more resilient so long as you don't load it with garbage.

In regards to your other point, as long as one is behind a router or a firewall and careful about what one downloads, the chances of getting trojans, viruses, or worms are pretty much zilch. I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.11 for Workgroups and I haven't had nearly the amount of problems that many of you claim to have had. What few problems I have had were my own fault when I was younger and less experienced.
 
Independence said:
Windows 9x had issues with getting slower over time. NT is far more resilient so long as you don't load it with garbage.

In regards to your other point, as long as one is behind a router or a firewall and careful about what one downloads, the chances of getting trojans, viruses, or worms are pretty much zilch. I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.11 for Workgroups and I haven't had nearly the amount of problems that many of you claim to have had. What few problems I have had were my own fault when I was younger and less experienced.
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Well normally people do try new software, install and remove them, and every time they do it Windows gets a little slower.

The of getting infected chance is still pretty much high, you know, USB devices, your local network etc. are a good way to spread worms.

My problems have simply been caused because I installed and uninstalled a lot of programs. Either components didn't get removed completely and drivers made conflicts (resulting in BSODs and slowdowns, crashes, freezes), or I removed too much (by using third party uninstalling programs) and a lot of components where suddenly "missing or corrupted". The fact is that the same thing happened to many of my friends, even though they had less programs installed (I had more than 5 columns of programs from the start menu, xp while they had 1 1/2 - 2) and even to our school computers (not even one column). Windows is just so buggy.
 
Independence said:
Windows 9x had issues with getting slower over time. NT is far more resilient so long as you don't load it with garbage.

In regards to your other point, as long as one is behind a router or a firewall and careful about what one downloads, the chances of getting trojans, viruses, or worms are pretty much zilch. I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.11 for Workgroups and I haven't had nearly the amount of problems that many of you claim to have had. What few problems I have had were my own fault when I was younger and less experienced.
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The NT kernel is very good. It is the crap they put on top that makes Windows so bad.
 
Fake

Almost certain this is fake...

Apple wouldn't make it 'iMac 20- and 24-Inch'

Because why would it be 20-

If apple would use that text it would be more 'The new iMac, Now in 20 and 24" ' or something
 
Independence said:
If all that is happening to your system, then you're doing something wrong. I suggest you exercise more caution on the internet.
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I don't own a PC anymore - my last one was a Dell Inspiron 300m laptop that I had to reformat about 2-3 times a year with Medium High security settings in IE and no real downloading/heavy web browsing. The main complication was virus software, Windows security updates/patches and then a little bit of spyware that AdAware and Spybot would detect. Lots of Google searches but definitely not a lot of web browsing. Some of it was also just junk Dell's system disks pre-installed on the computer--it all just made a giant mess of the system registry.
 
EmperorDarius said:
Well normally people do try new software, install and remove them, and every time they do it Windows gets a little slower.

The of getting infected chance is still pretty much high, you know, USB devices, your local network etc. are a good way to spread worms.

My problems have simply been caused because I installed and uninstalled a lot of programs. Either components didn't get removed completely and drivers made conflicts (resulting in BSODs and slowdowns, crashes, freezes), or I removed too much (by using third party uninstalling programs) and a lot of components where suddenly "missing or corrupted".
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Exactly my experience as well. Also to the guy talking about his enriched experience since Windows 3.1, 1) it's the only thing you've ever known so you don't know to expect better and 2) it's (Windows) what you're comfortable with - you've learned all the tricks that can give you a better experience than what some have ...again, many of us put up with Windows but when we made the switch to Mac OSX it was that epiphany experience.

My first impression after a month of using OSX Tiger was this: "wow, this just works" which was a direct contrast to Windows. With Mac I don't have to explain things to people like I did before - I cannot tell you how many Windows computers I used to troubleshoot for friends/family and I knew exactly what to do to fix their computers--why? Because you learn when you experience a problem. I always used to remember thinking: "man the average Joe has no prayer in the world at figuring this stuff out". I don't get that feeling with OSX - I really do thing that most folks could do fine with it.
 
That's the thing. Even though other PCs are vastly more cost effient, you're still getting stuck with Windows.

[I work with/on both Mac & Windows. No comparison for me.]
 
j5045096 said:
Also to the guy talking about his enriched experience since Windows 3.1, 1) it's the only thing you've ever known so you don't know to expect better
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WRONG. I've also got experience with Mac OS X, Linux, and FreeBSD. I've got a PPC MacMini lying around with OS X 10.4 that I still fire up occasionally.

The only reason I'm using this Pentium III PC as my main machine instead of that Mini is the PPC platform is becoming unsupported and the apps that do still support it are no longer optimized for the platform.

If, and I stress if, Apple releases another MacMini sometime this century, I'll gladly buy one.
 
Independence said:
WRONG. I've also got experience with Mac OS X, Linux, and FreeBSD. I've got a PPC MacMini lying around with OS X 10.4 that I still fire up occasionally.

The only reason I'm using this Pentium III PC as my main machine instead of that Mini is the PPC platform is becoming unsupported and the apps that do still support it are no longer optimized for the platform.

If, and I stress if, Apple releases another MacMini sometime this century, I'll gladly buy one.
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I had a 1.25ghz PPC G4 eMac that I sold last month that ran like a champ--your Mini has to be either 1.25 or 1.42 so why is it obsolete? Had it not been for a lot of media work and video editing, that eMac would have been fine for me to keep using. I can't see how a PIII PC is a better choice than the Mini but maybe I'm missing something?
 
j5045096 said:
so why is it obsolete?
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I just answered this question.

EDIT: I suppose this deserves more of an explanation. The number of applications written for Mac OS X these days are increasingly dropping PPC support. Many applications that are still supported are no longer optimized for the PPC platform anymore. I don't know what your experience was like, but, for example, Firefox 3 runs painfully slow on my Mini. Slow enough that even this Pentium III is faster than it. As old as this Pentium III is, my software still runs well enough on it that it's still useful to me. My Mini is past its prime.
 
MyDesktopBroke said:
That's the thing. Even though other PCs are vastly more cost effient, you're still getting stuck with Windows.

[I work with/on both Mac & Windows. No comparison for me.]
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I don't mind being stuck with Windows especially that the software I use it's not even available for a mac to begin with.

I went thru quite a few macs including Pros and honestly it's a nice looking home machine. For the same amount of money you get way better Win system AND I don't need to sell it after 3 years. I just change few things for a fraction of the cost and I do have a up to date system while you have to go over a new machine again.

I just bought a Macbook Pro simply because Macmall is giving great deals on the prev model which is more than enough for travel and etc but I'm wayyyy past the apple fanboy time I had lol. Good to be back on earth and having my eyes wide open :)
 
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