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New Office Versions and Virtual PC 6.1

Re: Re: split the use too?

Originally posted by daveL
Well, if you had read the posts, you'd know that the Ed deal allows for installation on more than one machine.
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Yes - where "more than one machine" means that I, as an individual user, can install it on both my desktop and my laptop system.

Please quote the paragraph that says that two people, unrelated by law or genetics, can buy one copy and use it on two primary machines.
 
Re: Re: Re: split the use too?

Originally posted by AidenShaw
Yes - where "more than one machine" means that I, as an individual user, can install it on both my desktop and my laptop system.

Please quote the paragraph that says that two people, unrelated by law or genetics, can buy one copy and use it on two primary machines.
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They're significant others; close enough. If you want to get picky, she could give her machine to him. Now he has two machines, with the SW installed on both of *his* machines. Having done so, he decides what a nice gesture it would to lend her a laptop, since she doesn't have one, anymore. OK?
 
I'm the most humble.

Originally posted by arn
People are so quick to judge:

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=howtobuy



People need to stop making assumptions and crying out that the sky is falling... when it is not.

arn
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I stand corrected. However, it would have been nice if M$ had been a little more clear that VPC could be purchased separately instead of being bundled.

But does the Stand Alone version mean DOS, or something else? But I did see no Linux version.

Someone else asked, why bother having Redhat or Linux on a Mac? Occasionally, if I wanted to do PC development with Linux, I might use VPC...if the emulation wasn't so slow on my machine. If the emulation was fast enough and worked correctly, then it would be worth it to me, then I could do cross-platform development on one machine. But since my machine is several years old, Redhat is very sluggish, so it would be best for me to compile together a cheap PC and use that for Linux development.
 
Highest seller?

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Office v.X is the biggest selling software package for Mac, and it significantly helped drive the switch to OS X. People who work in dual-format environment and switchers use and need Office.
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Really? If so, that's kind of sad. From what I've read (this info might be somewhat dated, however), that Office X "only" sold around 300,000 copies, and M$ was irked at Apple for not pushing OS X enough, which was supposedly stagnating Office X sales.

Does anyone have more accurate sales totals of Office X (or any other major app, for that matter)?
 
Re: Highest seller?

Originally posted by edenwaith
Really? If so, that's kind of sad. From what I've read (this info might be somewhat dated, however), that Office X "only" sold around 300,000 copies, and M$ was irked at Apple for not pushing OS X enough, which was supposedly stagnating Office X sales.
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Call me crazy, but maybe the reason OSX adoption was so slow was until Jaguar, many people couldn't get their scanners/printers to work. And if you can't scan and print, it's kinda worthless to have MS Office on your machine.

Or perhaps they were waiting for Apple to create an upgrade path so they didn't have to buy the OS over and over and over again at full price, like, like, a really lousy Microsoft licensing scheme.
 
Re: Re: Highest seller?

Originally posted by SeaFox
Call me crazy...

Or perhaps they were waiting for Apple to create an upgrade path so they didn't have to buy the OS over and over and over again at full price, like, like, a really lousy Microsoft licensing scheme.
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10.2.1 is miles behind 10.2.6 IMO and it hasnt cost me a dime to get there. Jaguar is what many many people quote here and in the press, as the main reason for owning a Mac. If your version is working well, as is mine, there is no need and definitely no obligation to go out and buy the latest greatest version.

So yes, you are crazy ;)
 
Re: Highest seller?

Originally posted by edenwaith
Really? If so, that's kind of sad. From what I've read (this info might be somewhat dated, however), that Office X "only" sold around 300,000 copies, and M$ was irked at Apple for not pushing OS X enough, which was supposedly stagnating Office X sales.

Does anyone have more accurate sales totals of Office X (or any other major app, for that matter)?
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I've read that too, I have no idea of it's validity, but it wouldn't surprise me. I suspect once the 300,000 copies were sold people got it off the internet, because they wanted to use Office but not give Microsoft more money.

Call me traditionalist, but I think it's up to a software company to promote their own products if they can't shift them, not blame it on someone else :wink:

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by e-coli
Nothing new in the apps. Just product pricing and packaging differences.

Lame
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Powerpoint is new....? And of course you get VPC with it also.

Seems ok to me.

OOo is always out there for those of us who don't want to spend the money on something like v.X Problem is that v.X is compatible, and OOo is not 100% there yet. And MS keeps moving the target...

What I want to see is a nice comparison between Keynote and PowerPoint. Prepare the same presentation, and see which is faster to do, which is easier to do, and what are the differences in interface design.
 
Originally posted by pagemap
I think the reason people are reacting negatively is because MS basically repackaged the same old product and are selling it to us again in a new box. Who cares if it has VPC. I for one am not going to pay for the same product twice. It would be like Apple re-releasing Jaguar in a pretty new box and asking us all to pay $129 for it. Not gonna happen.
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That makes no sense. Microsoft are not claiming that this is Office XI or anything and they are definitely not aiming this at people who already own Office X.
They are just cutting the price by $100 and introducing a new Pro version that adds VPC and XP Pro at the original $499 price. Looks like a sensible way to pull in new customers to me.
Jeez - the lengths some people go to to bash Microsoft when all they are doing is making Office a better deal.
 
Originally posted by iPC
Powerpoint is new....? And of course you get VPC with it also.
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Nope...PowerPoints' always been in there. I used to use it quite frequently.

AppleMatt
 
Poison

VPC 6.1 is absolute poison for my iBook - It worked beautifully, without the slightest hitch when Connectix supported it, but as soon as I put on 6.1 I got kernel panics when I started up my OS (WIn 98 SE) and no matter how often I tried to uninstall and reinstall the program, it completely fails to work, panic every damn time. I don't know how M$ do it. I really wouldn't install it if I were you.

Its so disappointing
 
Re: Poison

Originally posted by thedoc1111
VPC 6.1 is absolute poison for my iBook - It worked beautifully, without the slightest hitch when Connectix supported it, but as soon as I put on 6.1 I got kernel panics when I started up my OS (WIn 98 SE) and no matter how often I tried to uninstall and reinstall the program, it completely fails to work, panic every damn time. I don't know how M$ do it. I really wouldn't install it if I were you.

Its so disappointing
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I upgraded to 6.1 on my TiBook, 10.2.7, win2k and it works fine. I didn't notice any improvement, but it didn't become unstable.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re-activate?!?

Originally posted by omnivector
you do realize there is a free, open source, cross platform, non-proprietary file format, office suite right?

http://www.openoffice.org
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I've tried both Open Office and Think Free Office. In my opinion, they suck. Even though it comes from Microsoft, Office 10 is the best suite of its type on the Mac. If Apple were to create its own office suite that would be 100% compatible with Office for Windows, I'd buy it. I'm not going to buy a grossly inferior product just so I don't have to buy from Microsoft though.
 
Originally posted by LegionCSUF
What exactly "sucks" about OpenOffice? I even use OO on Windows instead of MS Office, and I have a legal MS Office copy.
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I agree. OOo is a remarkable program, considering that it's free. There are only a few things that it can't do that MS Office can. It will be nice when they get the Aqua graphics installed, so that it has more of the look and feel of a Mac product.

An interesting point, now that X11 is going to be integrated into the Mac OS, is there any real reason why the folks at OOo should write all the new routines to get it running under Aqua? Wouldn't it be a better use of their time to implement a Mac look and feel that would still run under X11? Just a thought...


P.S. I agree that Think Free Office sucks. Being a Java app it is rediculously slow at even the most simple of tasks...
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Nope...PowerPoints' always been in there. I used to use it quite frequently.

AppleMatt
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Ahh ok. I was not sure.

What is the point of Keynote? Is PowerPoint for Mac that bad?
 
Keynote vs PowerPoint

No, Keynote is that good. You know *why* Keynote was created?

Steve Jobs had it created to make his MacWorld keynote presentations.

He loved the app so much, he decided to sell it.

That's how it got the name.

Jaedreth
 
Re: Office and Virtual PC 6.1

If they really wanted to drop the price....drop it down to $299 or 199 for the basic standard edition.....that is a real price drop! Ok, they dropped it down $100 and I suppose that is really something for Microsoft who is money hungry to do.......but man really drop the price to something affordable and humane! Now that Microsoft owns Virtual PC the price should have dropped because $100 of VPC price went to Microsoft's licensing royalty fees. Now this is pure profit for Microsoft to keep the price the same. It is nice to see they included VPC with Office Pro....but $499 is too much.....try more like $349 or 329....that would be better. The teacher and student edition for $149 is a good price. I just wish I was either of them! I still believe the regular standard edition should be like $199-$249....basically 50 to 100 bucks more than students.....not 250 bucks more like it is now.
 
How 'bout if they charge $1 for Office, but all the features are disabled, and you pay $1 extra to enable each feature you want to use. $1 for spellcheck, $1 for styles, $1 for print preview, etc. Since it has 1000 features, but an average person only needs 50-100 of them, almost all of us would pay less. You could just give Bill your credit card number and the hidden code in Office that monitors your every keystroke would simply charge you when it saw you use a feature you didn't pay for yet!

;) ;) ;) ;)
 
Originally posted by sebimeyer
Know how I got Office X?

A friend bought it for $7 (!!) in the universitities bookstore when he bought Jaguar. They had a bundle for some reason.

Naturally everybody in sight copied it. Now half the university has Office X and Microsoft got $7 in return. I'd say we founded our very won Justice Department. One that does something against Microsoft anyway..
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Funny thing those thieves are going to find out is that only one copy can run on the network at a time. Hope they don't find out on finals night.

Where I went to school, such theft was considered equal to plaigiarism. And they got the boot from school.

Contrary to popular opinion, stealing from Microsoft is still stealing.:rolleyes:
 
Re: I'm the most humble.

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Someone else asked, why bother having Redhat or Linux on a Mac? Occasionally, if I wanted to do PC development with Linux, I might use VPC...if the emulation wasn't so slow on my machine. If the emulation was fast enough and worked correctly, then it would be worth it to me, then I could do cross-platform development on one machine. But since my machine is several years old, Redhat is very sluggish, so it would be best for me to compile together a cheap PC and use that for Linux development.
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Why not use Yellow Dog Linux? It only runs on Macs.
 
I've stayed away from this thread for a while now... I can't say I'm a big propenent of M$ products, but for the most part until another mac software comes along and can open/save/reopen/distribute M$ office product file formats, then we'll have to continue using what's existing. You can't switch the world - you have to join them on a certain level. I know, that's blasphemy. But reality blasphemy.

Here's what Dr. Mac Bob Levitus had to say about it.

Bob's a great friend to the mac (hence the title) and is using the power of the Houston cronicle to preach the good gospel of the mac to the non-believers/users as much as he can. This almost got it's own story on www.macbytes.com but I thought the thread would just point back here, and you'd all read it anyway :rolleyes:
Let's give ol' Bob the site traffic he deserves ;)
 
"Document" Rumor Anyone?

Originally posted by xtekdiver
How does VPC give MS leverage? I am not sure I understand that. VPC has really lost a lot of its value and usefullness to the terminal client for OS X. Why run virtual when you can interact with an app running native on another box? As a recent "switcher", I have found OS X to be very capable of doing everything I need without Windows, and for the odd app or developing ASP.Net, using the terminal client works better than VPC. In fact, apart from Office, Apple has an extremely versatile platform. I think it's in their best interest to offer a competing product. Will Microsoft quit developing Office if Apple does? One can hope.
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I agree. It would probably be in Apple's best (financial) interests to make a complete office suite. In fact, there were rumors floating around about a word processing program called "Document." Make that and a spreadsheet app, throw Keynote in there, and voila! They have one hot-selling product.

Worst-case scenario: Apple develops their own Windows emulator. Actually, that would probably never happen, would it?

Squire
 
Originally posted by leicaman
Where I went to school, such theft was considered equal to plaigiarism. And they got the boot from school.

Contrary to popular opinion, stealing from Microsoft is still stealing.:rolleyes:
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plagiarism

n 1: a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work 2: the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own

(Not my own words, by the way. Taken from dictionary.com. ;))

Wait a minute. Your school kicked people out for copyright infringement? What about downloading mp3 files? Underage drinking? Hitchhiking? (BTW, I don't know if all of the above are illegal in your area.) That has "appeal" written all over it.

For 7 dollars, though, you'd think the students would be willing to pay.

I wouldn't mind having the student/teacher pack. But, again, I wouldn't want to fork over the cash for it and then have Apple release a superior product.

Squire
 
Originally posted by xtekdiver
Bah! When is Apple going to come out with their own Office suite?
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What I want to see: a souped up version of AppleWorks that would be comparable to the Office suite packaged with a cheap under $600 G4 or G5 mini-tower with minimal upgradability (a little more than an iMac) plus a very low end processor speed. You have a cheap office machine that will blow all of the office PCs out of the water.
 
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