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To be honest, I dont see a reason to switch from Windows to OSX completely. The reason why I did was simply because I got sick of Windows because i been using it forever and Linux just wasnt working out for me. It wasnt because the OS was bad, it was simply because I wanted a new taste in something and something to learn. There are things the PC does alot better, and there are also alot of things that the Mac alot better.

What a great statement. I dont think I realized it as much, but my interest in macs was really born out of boredom with windows in the same way someone could get bored of their car after a few years. Im having a blast learning OS X, but there is a sense of disappointment in that it isnt the "perfect" OS that mac fanatics play it out to be. In fact, many simple tasks on the pc side are difficult or unimplemented on the mac (like why the heck can't i cut and paste folders rather than copying them?) It all comes down to the apps you use so for the most part then the OS choice isnt that big a deal.

If mac didnt go intel then i probably wouldve happily stayed with my pc's. But due to parallels and the ability to throw linux/xp/vista on here then its been interesting. But as someone said earlier, my future laptops will be macs and my desktops will be pc because neither are as bad as the fanboys claim.
 
Macbook 1.83 ghz 1gb ram, froze 4 times in last two months, I have NEVER had XP freeze on me. Nor have I ever had a virus or spyware problem, a simple 30 purchase of norton internet security every year doesnt make up for the hundreds more you are spending on a mac.

Really? There might be something wrong with your hardware then. I've had individual programs crash out on me, but in five years of owning my Powerbook it has fully frozen *maybe* three times. In contrast, it seems like XP crashes about every third time I use it. I'm looking forward to keeping XP quarentined in Parallels on my new Macbook Pro that should be here in a few days.
 
I switched from a PC in Apr of 06', because I just got tired of Windows. It started acting up on me even more so then usual, and I went out and bought a Mac. I admit that the price was a bit high, but I opened a CompUSA credit card and got it on that :). My friend who has used Macs for a long time convinced me to give it a try, and I haven't looked back since. Im on my second Mac now (I just got a new iMac), and neither has ever compleatly locked up on me (ok mabye a few times but I can't even remember) I've had my new iMac since Aug, and it hasent froze yet. Very rarely one App will freeze, but you force quit it and continue like nothing happened, as opposed to "Ending Task" on an application in Windows, which more often then not takes the whole OS down with it. So to make long story short, I think the price may be a little high, but I think it's worth it, and don't listen to Shotgun Pete the entire system barely ever freezes unless there is some serious problem somewhere, and as far as Kernal Panics go I've only seen 1 or 2 when I put a USB2 card in my Powermac, that it didn't like.
 
Ive been following this, and you all do have valid points. Windows is good at what it does, and so is OSX. OSX just has a different feel to what you do. some things arent the same, but then if they were, why bother switching in the first place?

Its like saying. I'm going to stop using HP and use a Dell. Theres no difference in user experience, just who you give your money too.

Ive used a Mac since 2002 when the iMac G4's came out. I had used Apples in school, albeit an old one, so I cant remember the name of it. I just remember seeing the Mac face on startup.

The Intels are extremely quick, but theres been teething problems, but what do you expect when its a new architechture for Apple? From what I'm hearing about these C2D MBP's, they're running at like 40oC. This Powerbook is running at 61!

Ive never had issues with any of my Macs and I hope my new MacPro wont have any either. *fingers crossed*
 
Is apple.com the best/only place to buy for a good price?

I usually buy my apple stuff from macconnection.com. Apple charges sales tax wherever you live, other online retailers don't. On a 3000$ computer, sales tax is over 200$ in california. Other retailers will usually give you ram, printer, etc. as a free bonus for buying from them as well. I just purchased a stock 17" mbp c2d from macconnection and got a 150$ rebate, a logictech wireless mouse, and a 70$ laptop case for free. The rebate and sales tax alone saved me 367$ plus another 50$ or so when I sell the laptop case on ebay. (case is not really my style, to corporate looking.)

I've had a few drinks tonight so I hope this all makes sense.:eek:
 
I switched a year ago and have not looked back. I was sold on the simplicity offered by ipod and itunes and thought sod it - lets go for a mac. I bought a G4 powerbook which has been fantastic as a portable and I use it for business.

Over the last 10 years I have had a Viglen, Mesh and now a Dell PC. I am about to sell the Dell and get a 24" Imac. I play a bit of WOW and do a lot of photo editing and intend to record music next year. I reckon this bit of kit will keep me active for a few years.....

The operating system is excellent, the support is excellent, and let's face it - the thing looks 'cool as ****' :D

Never turning back.....
 
I was a compaq user, but I bought a Macbook, if I were to do it again I would definately go with a PC not a Mac.

My OS X crashes way more than XP ever has, plus the cost isn't really worth it, it comes with some bundled software that I dont really use even though I thought I would.

but it works okay, just too expensive.

How much RAM have you got (Apple Menu==>About this Mac)? If you only have 512MB, it won't run well (especially if you use Office as it isn't universal) stick another 1GB stick in and it'll work better, also intel OS X isn't yet as stable as PPC, (though better than XP in my experience).
 
Re: Shotgun Pete

You definitely do have a hardware issue, probably ram, see your Apple dealer or contact Apple. ( it is not the OS )
 
I moved to a Mac in 2002 when I was forced by my employer (strangely, a finance company!). It took me a couple of months to get used to the single button mouse and the different (and lack of) short cuts in Excel, but the user interface, stability, and general look & feel are second to none.

To that end, I convinced my Dad, best friend, and girfriend-at-the-time (now wife-to-be) to all switch.

I would never go back - EVER. They are superior machines by far, and I recommend them to anyone who will listen without any given reservation.
 
Thanks.
I have a PC laptop that is fairly new, a few months old. So I am only looking at replacing my desktop. I have a 21 inch NEC flat panel monitor, mouse, keyboard, Klipsch speakers, and mouse. So I just need to get the system.
As for my ATA100 HDs, how much and how difficult is it to get this external box you mention, to use these harddrives? I have data on them that I need.

As for programs, I use a few programs that I think are for windows only. So I would be forced to have XP and/or Vista on the system to run these programs (a flight logbook for my flying, logbookpro.com, and my pocketpc uses activesync to sync my ipaq.)

It looks like the price increase from 2.66 to 3.0 is an overkill from what I've read. So I may decide to go with the 2.66. I assume the processor can be upgraded in the future. If I have a Plextor DVDRW right now, will that be compatible in a mac pro, or will I have to use the dvdrw that comes with it?

Applestore is still quoting 3,047.00 for the 2.66 w/ 2gig ram / ATI video card, and nothing else added ontop of the stock items. Maybe I can find it for under 3000 somewhere.
 
Well As far as synching your iPaq give these progrmas a look, im not sure what model you have but this one seeems to support a bunch of models http://www.markspace.com/products.html, theres a dropdown menu on the side choose your model and see if it works. This program only has 2 models listed, but says "All iPaqs Supported" http://www.pocketmac.net/devices_by_manufacturer.html#Compaq. As for flight log software any of these look good? http://www.versiontracker.com/php/s...on=search&str=Flight+log&plt[]=macosx&x=0&y=0 . I know I have too much time on my hands :)
 
Thanks.
I have a PC laptop that is fairly new, a few months old. So I am only looking at replacing my desktop. I have a 21 inch NEC flat panel monitor, mouse, keyboard, Klipsch speakers, and mouse. So I just need to get the system.
As for my ATA100 HDs, how much and how difficult is it to get this external box you mention, to use these harddrives? I have data on them that I need.

As for programs, I use a few programs that I think are for windows only. So I would be forced to have XP and/or Vista on the system to run these programs (a flight logbook for my flying, logbookpro.com, and my pocketpc uses activesync to sync my ipaq.)

It looks like the price increase from 2.66 to 3.0 is an overkill from what I've read. So I may decide to go with the 2.66. I assume the processor can be upgraded in the future. If I have a Plextor DVDRW right now, will that be compatible in a mac pro, or will I have to use the dvdrw that comes with it?

Applestore is still quoting 3,047.00 for the 2.66 w/ 2gig ram / ATI video card, and nothing else added ontop of the stock items. Maybe I can find it for under 3000 somewhere.

That price is less than what MP's start at in the UK!
 
Its like saying, I'm going to stop using HP and use a Dell. Theres no difference in user experience, just who you give your money too.
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I couldn't disagree more! There is a huge difference in user experience. I had been a PC user (DOS -> Windows) since there were 386's (8MHz) and bought a PowerBook in May of '05 and have hardly used Windows for personal use since (I have to admit XP runs very well on a corporately controlled and managed machine) ... and when I have to use Windows its to fix my wife's problems! (she's even sick of all the junk).

In my opinion, Windows has a few major things wrong with it:

1) the registry
2) installing and uninstalling programs
3) DLL dependency
4) programs need to be confined to a single folder (ex. an app icon)

Listen, OS X is great because it doesn't have any of those problems. If you want to try out all the software in the world you may have to install 5% of it. Dmg's are great because if you don't want the app you just unmount it and trash the dmg, no uninstalling and no cleaning up what it left behind (except for the occasional preference file [but there's even an app that'll do that, AppZapper]).

Of course OS X needs a slightly better File Manager but if it went as far as Windows Explorer does it would be overkill (PathFinder). You have to remember that OS X does a lot of the file management itself. So if you are willing to adopt its system (which is extremely logical anyway) you'll be a lot happier. iTunes manages the music, iPhoto manages pictures and the Finder does everything else.

Most people who don't like OS X don't like it because they like to maintain control of every aspect of the OS including the file management. Personally, I hate file management and am very happy that OS X does a great job of it. Also, having weak right click options really isn't that big of a deal in OS X because its designed more with hotkeys (shortcuts) in mind (command this and comd+shift+that).

All-in-all, OS X is a very intuitive Operating System that is built upon a very stable core (Berkley's Unix). As others have said, system stability only comes into question right now because Apple just switched to new hardware and to new code (Universal Binary). I have PPC OS X and it has never frozen on me. I've got a perpetual beach ball before (like the hourglass) but was able to either Force Quit the affected application or do the dreaded restart (you'll hardly ever have to), and I've never seen a kernel panic (akin to the BSOD).

I think you'll love OS X if you can move away from the Windows way of doing things and let OS X manage itself. Just use apps and OS X the way it was intended and you're straight.

Since I've switched I use my computer less and am far more productive.

ps. other great things to note are brilliant system wide spell checking (as I type this), the dictionary and expose.
 
4) programs need to be confined to a single folder (ex. an app icon)
Not quite sure what you mean by that. But if you meant "Windows programs need to nest themselves in 15 sub-directories with a bunch of files that make it hard to figure out what the actual EXE you need to open is", then yes. :)

Most people who don't like OS X don't like it because they like to maintain control of every aspect of the OS including the file management. Personally, I hate file management and am very happy that OS X does a great job of it.
The automation of iTunes, iPhoto, and other apps is nice but there's no reason apps can't do it on Windows either (iTunes already can). I don't see that as an advantage. I have no idea what aspects of OS X/the Finder make it any less capable of maintaining control over your files than Windows. I have everything exactly where I want it on my Mac. The system file structure makes more sense and is much simpler than how Windows handles things IMO.

Willis said:
Its like saying. I'm going to stop using HP and use a Dell. Theres no difference in user experience, just who you give your money too.
But yeah, comparing the difference between Windows and MacOS X is not comparable to HP and Dell. That would be like saying you're going to stop driving a Ford Focus and start driving a Lexus LS (I only say Lexus to give decent contrast). There's a big difference in user experience as well as who you're giving your money to. Whereas the difference between HP and Dell would be like a Ford Focus and a Chevy Colbalt.
 
Not quite sure what you mean by that. But if you meant "Windows programs need to nest themselves in 15 sub-directories with a bunch of files that make it hard to figure out what the actual EXE you need to open is", then yes. :)
I mean how OS X handles apps. One folder that contains everything needed to run the application. Simple and easy to trash if not wanted. Why spread the application across 5 directories and trash your system folders when there is no benefit from doing that?

The automation of iTunes, iPhoto, and other apps is nice but there's no reason apps can't do it on Windows either (iTunes already can). I don't see that as an advantage.
Right, but most programs on Windows don't do it. Its just not part of the Windows way of doing things and therefore the devs don't write there programs that way (for the most part). And its more automated in the way the applications work together. iMovie assumes your music is in the iTunes folder, pictures in the Pictures folder, etc. The iLife suite is a good example of what I'm talking about. Because OS X's default folder structure is so simple most devs use it.

I have no idea what aspects of OS X/the Finder make it any less capable of maintaining control over your files than Windows. I have everything exactly where I want it on my Mac. The system file structure makes more sense and is much simpler than how Windows handles things IMO.
cocoatech wrote PathFinder because the Finder is severely lacking. Its not that you can't manage your files effectively, its that it just takes longer and can be a pain because its too simplistic. I agree that the file structure is much more logical than in Windows. /Users/*Username*/Documents is perfect. Documents are in the Documents folder, Music in the music folder, Pictures in the Pictures folder and so on. Much better than how Windows manages it (so confusing I don't even want to type it out).

My main point is that in OS X you don't really need to do much file management because OS X's default structure allows for apps to store files in the default folders. Ex. iPhoto automatically saves to the Pictures folder, iTunes to the Music folder, Textedit to the Documents folder, Devs want Applications in the Applications folder. Sure it can be done in Windows (and sometimes is, WMP, etc.) but even when it is, its done to folders that aren't in a logical place (My Documents is buried in all sorts of system folders).

*Sorry if I repeated myself.
 
Macbook 1.83 ghz 1gb ram, froze 4 times in last two months, I have NEVER had XP freeze on me. Nor have I ever had a virus or spyware problem, a simple 30 purchase of norton internet security every year doesnt make up for the hundreds more you are spending on a mac.

In over ten years of using Macs I had them freeze on me exactly three times.

In eight years of using PCs (school and work) there would be a new problem every other week, or a bug, or software would vanish, or in one case, every computer would be down (my high school was without computers for the first three weeks of my sophomore year).

You're got a lemon. It happens. But your experience is not and will never be the norm.

Granted, I have no problems with XP on my MacBook, but that's because unlike a lot of people I pay attention to what I download under Windows and it's not always on.
 
In over ten years of using Macs I had them freeze on me exactly three times.
I've seen a lot of this in the thread. Don't get me wrong, I switched over a year ago, and love OS X, but I seem to have at least one program lock up every single day, and I've had to manually reboot at least 10-15 times because my beloved Powerbook/Macbook froze on me.

Granted, the Macbook has frozen up on me quite a bit more than the Powerbook, but Macs are definitely not without their issues either. I guess I just use more varied programs than others or perhaps more at a time? I'm not a total noob, and have worked in IT for over 4 years on the PC side, and know a fair amount about both sides of the coin...

I have plenty of memory, so that definitely isn't the problem. Just a little frustrating sometimes :rolleyes: I've had to force quit 3 times already today (DVD Player wouldn't eject Lost/do anything, Notetaker couldn't minimize/shut down, Safari went haywire on me with an integrated web application)...grrr...but I'll still stick with it, because I'm usually more productive with OS X :cool:
 
I've had to force quit 3 times already today (DVD Player wouldn't eject Lost/do anything, Notetaker couldn't minimize/shut down, Safari went haywire on me with an integrated web application)...grrr...but I'll still stick with it, because I'm usually more productive with OS X :cool:
The good side is that when you actually have to force quit it actually does quickly. (3 times a day is way to high though). The Windows Task Manager is hit and miss when it comes to ending tasks.
 
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