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There are some last minute rumors about the iPhone 12 Pro cameras. A leaker named Kang is saying that the 12 Pro will have a 4x camera while the 12 Pro Max will have a 5x camera.

That is significantly more than past rumors, which said we were getting (maybe) a 3x camera.

I don’t know what to think about that. On the one hand, a 4x or 5x camera would be real telephoto — equivalent to around a 100 or 125mm lens in a 35mm camera. I’d love that. But if the other lenses remain the same, Apple would have to rely on digital zoom between 1x and 4 or 5x. That would mean a loss of resolution at the current 2x “telephoto” length. Although, Apple could do some digital magic that uses pixels from the 4x/5x to enhance the central portion of 1x image.

If I had my druthers, I’d like to see Apple drop with 0.5x “ultrawide” lens in favor of 1x, 2x, and 4 or 5x. But that’s just me — I seldom use the ultrawide lens, but other people may feel differently.

It’s also possible, although not likely, that the 4x/5x lens could offer true optical zoom.

Of course, all of this could be just rumor. One reason to be skeptical about this rumor is the fact that Apple’s reportedly using a larger sensor this year. That will require a larger lens to get the same effective focal length as last year, much less the longer focal lengths being rumored. [UPDATE: It appears that these numbers are not, in fact, correct. See comments below.]

And here’s the real question I’m wondering about — is this “Kang” the same captain who James T. Kirk and the Enterprise had run-ins with?
 
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There are some last minute rumors about the iPhone 12 Pro cameras. A leaker named Kang is saying that the 12 Pro will have a 4x camera while the 12 Pro Max will have a 5x camera.

That is significantly more than past rumors, which said we were getting (maybe) a 3x camera.

I don’t know what to think about that. On the one hand, a 4x or 5x camera would be real telephoto — equivalent to around a 100 or 125mm lens in a 35mm camera. I’d love that. But if the other lenses remain the same, Apple would have to rely on digital zoom between 1x and 4 or 5x. That would mean a loss of resolution at the current 2x “telephoto” length. Although, Apple could do some digital magic that uses pixels from the 4x/5x to enhance the central portion of 1x image.

If I had my druthers, I’d like to see Apple drop with 0.5x “ultrawide” lens in favor of 1x, 2x, and 4 or 5x. But that’s just me — I seldom use the ultrawide lens, but other people may feel differently.

It’s also possible, although not likely, that the 4x/5x lens could offer true optical zoom.

Of course, all of this could be just rumor. One reason to be skeptical about this rumor is the fact that Apple’s reportedly using a larger sensor this year. That will require a larger lens to get the same effective focal length as last year, much less the longer focal lengths being rumored.

And here’s the real question I’m wondering about — is this “Kang” the same captain who James T. Kirk and the Enterprise had run-ins with?
Khan (Ricardo Montalbán) is the character from StarTrek not "Kang" and no it's not the same person...
 
Looking closely at Kang's post, he says the camera system will have 4x optical zoom. If he watched the launch video, it's likely Apple's marketing speak. In other words, this would be the same as iPhone 11 Pro.

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2x zoom out (ultra-wide) and 2x zoom in (telephoto) = 4x zoom range
 
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Not Ricardo Montalban. You don’t know your Klingon warriors.
Lol! Your absolutely right! Forgot about that episode and the character.. Wasn't that the episode where they were all fighting with each other on he Enterprise because an alien gained strength from conflict and the only way to get rid of it was to be friends and to be happy?
 
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Looking closely at Kang's post, he says the camera system will have 4x optical zoom. If he watched the launch video, it's likely Apple's marketing speak. In other words, this would be the same as iPhone 11 Pro.

Hm. I don’t read Chinese, but here’s a translation I found on Twitter. 52mm (equivalent) would be the same as the current (2x) camera. 65mm would be about 2.4x.

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Looking closely at Kang's post, he says the camera system will have 4x optical zoom. If he watched the launch video, it's likely Apple's marketing speak. In other words, this would be the same as iPhone 11 Pro.

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2x zoom out (ultra-wide) and 2x zoom in (telephoto) = 4x zoom range

Right, there is no such thing as true optical zoom in a phone as there are no moving elements in the lenses that actually "zoom". They just use the focal length of the 3 different prime lens cameras to determine an "optical" zoom. Its just marketing fluff.
 
Possible, but why would he be reporting that as a new feature?

Looking at Kang’s post would tell me nothing, since I don’t read Chinese, and I’m not going to read too much into the exact wording of a machine translation. In the engineering world, the terms “camera system” and “camera” are more or less synonymous.

Kang tends to do "as-is" reporting. He collects information and presents what he believes to be credible info as-is without much analysis. The way he's included specific English marketing terms (Smart Data Mode, 47% larger sensor) suggests he lifted it directly from the launch marketing materials.

His claim about a 52mm telephoto lens also largely eliminates the possibility of a 4x optical zoom.
 
Yeah, I doubt it’s actually a 4x-5x ‘real’ zoom. I’m assuming the Pro Max will have a longer zoom.
 
If the iPhone Pro Max is getting a 5x camera, I will definitely go for that one over the 4x Pro.
 
So, it appears that there’s only a minor improvement in focal length, and that’s only in the Pro Max.

But there is a significant improvement in aperture on both cameras. The telephoto lenses are now f/1.6 rather than f/2, which should provide a significant improvement in low-light performance. Especially on the Pro Max, which will have a larger sensor.
 
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So, it appears that there’s only a minor improvement in focal length, and that’s only in the Pro Max.

But there is a significant improvement in aperture on both cameras. The telephoto lenses are now f/1.6 rather than f/2, which should provide a significant improvement in low-light performance. Especially on the Pro Max, which will have a larger sensor.

Made my mind up - Pro Max it is this year!
 
So, it appears that there’s only a minor improvement in focal length, and that’s only in the Pro Max.

But there is a significant improvement in aperture on both cameras. The telephoto lenses are now f/1.6 rather than f/2, which should provide a significant improvement in low-light performance. Especially on the Pro Max, which will have a larger sensor.

I realize 47% larger sensor sounds good on paper, but will real world use actually produce a huge difference in quality of low light pictures between the two pro models?
 
I realize 47% larger sensor sounds good on paper, but will real world use actually produce a huge difference in quality of low light pictures between the two pro models?

No, it won't. You won't start seeing a difference until you get up to something like a 1/1.33" sensor most everyone else uses now. If this is the rumored 1/1.9" sensor, its slightly bigger than the current 1/2.55" sensor in the 11 Pro Max, but nothing that will make a huge difference.
 
No, it won't. You won't start seeing a difference until you get up to something like a 1/1.33" sensor most everyone else uses now. If this is the rumored 1/1.9" sensor, its slightly bigger than the current 1/2.55" sensor in the 11 Pro Max, but nothing that will make a huge difference.
Thank you. Currently own the 11 Pro Max and I’m wanting to go back to a smaller phone so I was bummed out to have to choose between better camera or smaller device.
 
I realize 47% larger sensor sounds good on paper, but will real world use actually produce a huge difference in quality of low light pictures between the two pro models?

Yes, it will. The sensitivity of a sensor depends on the number of photons captured, which is a function of the sensor area (the square of the linear dimensions).

Ignore the troll. Do the math.
 
Yes, it will. The sensitivity of a sensor depends on the number of photons captured, which is a function of the sensor area (the square of the linear dimensions).

Ignore the troll. Do the math.

Are you aware of how minuscule and insignificant the difference between a 1/2.55" sensor and a 1/1.9" sensor is? Like I said, get to 1/1.33" and now we have something noteworthy to talk about...
 
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