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your message confused me because you didn't really state which models you were looking at.

Sorry for the confusion. I am debating between the two 15" models. Not really interested in the 13-inchers. It just seems like there is little point in getting the $1999 model if the limited storage space is going to be a problem and the $2599 model offers so many upgrades for storage, memory, dGPU, etc.

Thanks.
 
Sorry for the confusion. I am debating between the two 15" models. Not really interested in the 13-inchers. It just seems like there is little point in getting the $1999 model if the limited storage space is going to be a problem and the $2599 model offers so many upgrades for storage, memory, dGPU, etc.

Thanks.

sounds like your answer then. if the $600 difference doesn't matter to you. go for it. you'll have the top-of-the-line, for at least a year, and as you said, a lot of upgrades. the extra gpu is certainly one you can't add later on.
 
i have one concern

I topped the specs of both iris and geforce 15 inch and its priced identical for 2.6GHz, 1 TB SSD, 16GB memory. Being that they are priced identical then what would be the difference in graphics performance?
 
For a moment yesterday I thought Phil was going to surprise us with the return of the 17" MBP with Retina. But alas it didn't happen and it is sadly unlikely to return.

The 17" should return it would be a lot thinner and lighter than the version i own and would be more back friendly. Main problem with 17" is its impossible to use on a budget plane flight as there 'aint enough room between your seat and the next to tilt the screen back to a sensible angle.
 
Not that impressed

I have an early 2011 MBPro 15", 2.3 GHz i7, 8 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, and comparing my scores to those of the new models:

15-inch MacBook Pro:

- My 15" MBPro, 2011 : Single-Core 2810, Multi-Core 10405
- i7-4750HQ @ 2.0 GHz: Single-Core 2844, Multi-Core 10887
- i7-4850HQ @ 2.3 GHz: Single-Core 3100, Multi-Core 11771
- i7-4960HQ @ 2.6 GHz: Single-Core 3379, Multi-Core 12813


Frankly the fact that I can still drop an upgraded hard disk in there any time I want (instead of being locked-down to the disk (and RAM) sizes when I but the Mac from Apple,) means I'll be sticking with my current Mac for a while.
 
The 17" should return it would be a lot thinner and lighter than the version i own and would be more back friendly. Main problem with 17" is its impossible to use on a budget plane flight as there 'aint enough room between your seat and the next to tilt the screen back to a sensible angle.

That's so true about flying. Actually I couldn't even use my 11" MBA on the tray table on my last flight. I had to use it in my lap and I could barely do that. The 17" is for first class passengers only ;)
 
2010 MacBook Pro here

The discrete GPU absolutely murders my battery life.

Open MS Office, Chrome, System Preferences, Firefox, or pretty much anything else kicks in the NVidia GPU.

I get about ~3 hours of battery life.

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I'm going with Intel-only next time. I'm happy to see the *high-end* Retina MacBook Pro can be purchased without an NVidia chipset!

Get gfxcardstatus. It will let you select between integrated only, dedicated only, and automatic switching from the menu as well as give you an indication of which one is currently being used. I have noticed on my mid 2012 15" cMBP that there are a lot of apps that kick it in when I don't really need it, so I just leave it on integrated until I really need the power (gaming).
 
i have to imagine this has been discussed already but i really don't feel like searching through the whole thread to find it, but has there been no mention of the fact that the original rMBP (which i have) had a base clock of 2.3, then the next gen had base of 2.4, and now the base rMBP has a clock of 2.0ghz. Is the new gen processor really that much better that a clock of 2.0 can perform on par with an older 2.3? or is this the reason that it's $200 cheaper?

as with any thread about rMBP, i have to brag about the 15" i got from the refurb section for $1600, which came with 16gb ram and is still $400 cheaper than the current base model!
 
So I've just finally transferred all my data to my new rMBP (11.5 hours!) after picking it up at 11am this morning and it's quite unbelievable.

Let me first say I had the mid 2012 version and that was good apart from the display issues (Samsung - yellow gradient, LG - image retention) and I had 3 displays replaced and all had problems. This new rMBP has perfect colours and is literally as smooth as silk.

I used the reopen all windows in Safari of which there was 27 and I have never seen a machine open all windows so quickly.

All animations are incredible. I've been using Apple products for the past 25 years and there's not many Apple products I haven't owned. This is by far the fastest most fluid machine I have ever used and that includes the fact I transferred all my cr*p onto it!

I bought the 2.3Ghz, 512 GB SSD, 16GB RAM model and it's totally unreal. To be honest I wasn't expecting anything spectacular with regards to performance in comparison to my 2012 model but it's completely stunned me.
 
Did Apple pulled ssd updates on macbook pros 13??
It's a bit odd how they did this, but basically the $1299 version comes with 128GB, the $1499 version comes with 256GB, and the $1799 version comes with 512GB, upgradeable to 1TB. All three have similar CTO processor options (the $1799 version doesn't have the 2.4GHz processor) and memory options (the $1299 version starts at 4GB while the others start at 8GB).

In a nutshell, if you pick the model with the storage you want, you can pick the other CTO options to suit you. It's easiest to see if you go to the "Full Compare Tool" at store.apple.com/us/compare/mac and pick all three 13" rMBP models to see the options side-by-side.
 
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Pretty happy to see that my first gen rMBP still remains a very current and capable machine.

It's arguably the better machine, actually. I keep debating between getting (another) June 2012 base model or the Haswell base model, and I truly cannot make up my mind.
 
Question from a Non-tech

...which arrive with the following 32-bit Geekbench 3 averages so far:

15-inch with quad-core CPU:
- i7-4750HQ @ 2.0 GHz: Single-Core 2844, Multi-Core 10887
- i7-4850HQ @ 2.3 GHz: Single-Core 3100, Multi-Core 11771
- i7-4960HQ @ 2.6 GHz: Single-Core 3379, Multi-Core 12813

Article Link: New Retina MacBook Pro Models Showing Up in Benchmarks

Would someone mind helping me understand something puzzling to a lay person like myself :eek:? My mid 2012 rMBP has a processor described as, "2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz)." The new rMBP has a processor described as, "2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz."

While I know there are many things that impact performance apart from the processor, that description alone makes it appear the new rMPB processor is inferior to the 2012 model. Can someone please help me understand why that's not the case? (I am just assuming that Apple would only provide an improved processor in the newer model.) Thanks!
 
I bought the 2.3Ghz, 512 GB SSD, 16GB RAM model and it's totally unreal. To be honest I wasn't expecting anything spectacular with regards to performance in comparison to my 2012 model but it's completely stunned me.

Not to pee in your Cheerios, but by the specs, the operations you describe really should not perform much differently across the two machines. I suspect what you are seeing more is the performance boost afforded by Mavericks and a clean install.
 
I have an early 2011 MBPro 15", 2.3 GHz i7, 8 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, and comparing my scores to those of the new models:

15-inch MacBook Pro:

- My 15" MBPro, 2011 : Single-Core 2810, Multi-Core 10405
- i7-4750HQ @ 2.0 GHz: Single-Core 2844, Multi-Core 10887
- i7-4850HQ @ 2.3 GHz: Single-Core 3100, Multi-Core 11771
- i7-4960HQ @ 2.6 GHz: Single-Core 3379, Multi-Core 12813


Frankly the fact that I can still drop an upgraded hard disk in there any time I want (instead of being locked-down to the disk (and RAM) sizes when I but the Mac from Apple,) means I'll be sticking with my current Mac for a while.

Even if the Geekbench scores were identical, there is a real-world difference between the performance of the new PCIe-based flash storage vs. an aftermarket SSD or spinning hard drive that Geekbench doesn't account for. Anything storage based is palpably faster. Booting, loading applications, opening files, saving files, etc.

That, and the retina displays really have to been seen to be believed, they are that good. Four times the pixels with the same graphics performance.

If Apple stores stocked some of the more common CTO options, I would have a new rMBP tonight, instead of having to wait for the brown truck to deliver it. :apple:
 
If you were considering a Macbook Air in the first place you weren't going to buy a Macbook Pro. :rolleyes:

Seeing as there is no longer any very meaningful distinction between the two, he may well have been.

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This is by far the fastest most fluid machine I have ever used and that includes the fact I transferred all my cr*p onto it!

Faster than the Mac IIfx, though? I doubt it.

:)
 
Not to pee in your Cheerios, but by the specs, the operations you describe really should not perform much differently across the two machines. I suspect what you are seeing more is the performance boost afforded by Mavericks and a clean install.

Yes that's what I was thinking, I shouldn't see such a performance boost and expected that when going into it but there definitely is. Let's not forget, although it was a clean install I had a Time Capsule backup of everything, my entire machine not just apps and documents so essentially I've also added all the surplus rubbish I don't need.

Admittedly I am yet to do any intensive tasks but in general use it's definitely quicker.

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WHOA!!! Okay so it's around 1:30am here in the UK so my display has been relatively dim. I've just turned it to full brightness and guess what....Oh yeah, welcome back yellow gradient!!

Just checked the terminal for the display fitted and it's Samsung....OH JOY!!! I cannot believe Apple have not sorted these display issues after all the threads about this problem....they must be mad!!
 
So they are finally here! What should I buy???

Don't think air... I guess the 13"....... I like the size 15" since I'll be using in bed or sofa..... 13" is more for people on the go student or traveler
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If this isn't such an improvement, then may be i should still save money on now an older model?
 
It looks like six years for just over twice the performance of my current notebook. At least on the CPU side. Hyperthreading only perks it up a little more for multi-core. This is...distressing.
 
My now almost 3 year old early 2011 MBP will be getting replaced with the 2.6 GHz 15" configuration with the Nvidia 750M :)
Can't believe my battery is completely shot in my 2011 laptop already.

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So you'll be a bit annoyed that my late 2010 MBP 2Ghz i7 15" has a pretty good battery life vs yours in comparison. I just try to remain plugged in when home and I don't charge until I'm close to 7 percent.
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Cheers.
 
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