These new features sound awesome, especially the ability to resize a text box. Also the imroved search functionality will be a god send for me, as I use it very much.
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New Safari Features In Latest Leopard Preview?
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Well, to be honest, I think Safari is one of the very, very few Mac software things I don't use.
Opera, firefox, camino, sure.
Never really like Safari, no idea why.
Anyway, I only see 1 actual 'new' feature, which is the resizing textfields thing.
As a user, I have to say, I like it.
Being a webdesigner too, I hate the idea of people raping my design.
So, good feature??? I don't know. After all, I don't think this is a feature many users will actually use, except when it's REALLY necessary, which usually only happens with crappy webpages, which I tend not to design....
The other features, well, sorry people, but these are things I do daily in all of my other browsers. Nothing new there. I think it's terrible They weren't in yet though.
I still can't get why Apple uses Safari. Totally doesn't fit in their 'good, innovating software' thing. I'd expect Opera to be made by Apple.
Well, to be honest, I think Safari is one of the very, very few Mac software things I don't use.
Opera, firefox, camino, sure.
Never really like Safari, no idea why.
Anyway, I only see 1 actual 'new' feature, which is the resizing textfields thing.
As a user, I have to say, I like it.
Being a webdesigner too, I hate the idea of people raping my design.
So, good feature??? I don't know. After all, I don't think this is a feature many users will actually use, except when it's REALLY necessary, which usually only happens with crappy webpages, which I tend not to design....
The other features, well, sorry people, but these are things I do daily in all of my other browsers. Nothing new there. I think it's terrible They weren't in yet though.
I still can't get why Apple uses Safari. Totally doesn't fit in their 'good, innovating software' thing. I'd expect Opera to be made by Apple.
psychometry said:
On the contrary, resizeable textareas are part of the CSS3 standard; Safari 3.0 will simply be the first mainstream browser to implement it. Once you try it, I promise you will not want to go back. It's really a non-issue, and I'm surprised anybody's complaining about it to the point they would disable this end-user feature using JavaScript. I'll just disable JavaScript on your site, then, buddy.
But opera is full of bloat features and doesn't perform at all macishly..
I have issues with Safari too though, on a lot of sites I visit it's unreasonably slow in comparison to Firefox/Camino.. The Firefox 2 betas are shaping up great.
I'm not sure of the point of the resizing text box thing.. i've never wanted that to be possible whilst using any browser, safari or not. The new tab stuff sounds very handy though!
psychometry said:
exactly! once there is no safari for windows, there is no longer IE for mac (even if it wasn't the same for windows) and any of those for linux, looks like the web standards will be what firefox and opera "decides".
apple should worry about improving new features for the browser like tabs, page thumbnails and etc... html, javascript and css they have to make work like every browser does (or should). and javascript and css are not working well in safari right now.
Wow... that whole site is down. Too much traffic, or has Apple's top secret FBI assasin group struck again. One things for sure... don't "F" with those boys and their secrets.
And to the Safari-haters, show some love. Safari might be a little short on features if you're used to Fox or Omni, but at the end of the day it's still the most elegant and simple browser out there, and it does have its strengths. It's RSS reader was pretty groundbreaking, and still is one of the best, it's one of the few browsers that actually handles fonts and anti-aliasing properly, and it renders CSS layouts very cleanly and without bugs for the most part. So don't hate so much. It's only going to get better every time.
And to the Safari-haters, show some love. Safari might be a little short on features if you're used to Fox or Omni, but at the end of the day it's still the most elegant and simple browser out there, and it does have its strengths. It's RSS reader was pretty groundbreaking, and still is one of the best, it's one of the few browsers that actually handles fonts and anti-aliasing properly, and it renders CSS layouts very cleanly and without bugs for the most part. So don't hate so much. It's only going to get better every time.
When you join the Apple developers program, you sign an agreement to not discuss confidential and pre-release software outside of approved forums. Posting reviews of Leopard features in a public blog is the best way to get your developer membership voided and get a nastygram from Apple Legal, at the very least. You'd imagine that people would have caught on by now...
slb said:
The CSS3 resizer property is fine and good because you can set resizer:none to a form element if you want to. As a side note, resizer applies to all elements, including html, meaning a site could prevent you from resizing the browser window. That has the potential to be very annoying if abused, as I'm sure it will be. Right now, I don't think any of the main 5 or 6 browsers support this propery for any element.
What worries me is if Safari is implementing this feature using built-in DOM functions instead of just supporting the CSS3 property. This is a possibility to me. They've got quite a ways to go in terms of the standard right now.
psychometry said:
no, it's CSS3 download the nightly then visit this site. http://www.css3.info/preview/resize.html
dashiel said:
Thanks for the link. It does look like WebKit's doing it with the CSS property, so that's good. Interestingly, that page is a good example of how easy it is to do strange, bad things to the scrollbars if you resize it to certain shapes. Developers will have to remember to set mins and maxes for all sorts of elements now if they want to allow resizing. The phrase "can of worms" comes to mind. Oh well.
I'm a web designer and I think that part of good web design is flexibility and compatibility; in other words, a good website design should be one that can be customized at the will of the user, such as resizing a text box that is too small.
Besides, have you seen this in action? (I got a 403 when I tried to view the blog - I don't know about you). Do we know that resizing a text box will rearrange any other elements of the site? Knowing Apple, they've probably come up with some way to resize the text box in a non-destructive manor, and maybe resize it back to it's original size when a user isn't using it. Does that make sense?
All these features sound like great additions to Safari - especially searching text in a web page; it's about bloody time Apple!
Besides, have you seen this in action? (I got a 403 when I tried to view the blog - I don't know about you). Do we know that resizing a text box will rearrange any other elements of the site? Knowing Apple, they've probably come up with some way to resize the text box in a non-destructive manor, and maybe resize it back to it's original size when a user isn't using it. Does that make sense?
All these features sound like great additions to Safari - especially searching text in a web page; it's about bloody time Apple!
psychometry said:
Web designers will just have to become more sophisticated. They will have to learn to work with relative units. For example a button size should be specified as "m times the lenght of this string in the current user specified font" and a image size rather then being fixed might be "80% in the frames width as set by the user
We should get back to the way HTML markup is envisioned. The author tags the test by functions like "title" or "larger" and the browser descides how to display it
If some web pages would "break" if you resize a text area, why is it such a problem? If I broke a web page by resizing, I'd simply drag it back to a "good" size again, and be no worse off than before. If it redraws dynamically it'll be quite obvious as you drag.
Having a screen come out wrong is already the case with many websites if I resize my browser window to make it very skinny, yet I don't hear people complaining that browsers allow you to do that.
Having a screen come out wrong is already the case with many websites if I resize my browser window to make it very skinny, yet I don't hear people complaining that browsers allow you to do that.
How do we know that the extendable text box might not become an overlay of the page that wouldn't damage the design? As you tab out or deactivate the box, it shrinks back to size. I'm sure this design has been thought through more in Cupertino than most people have spent here in the past hour.
Superdrive said:
The WebKit nightly I just tried moves stuff around, as specified by the CSS3 standard. It's really not much of a problem as long as designers are careful with their positioning.
clintob said:
Safari's CSS is pretty good, but DOM support is lagging, in my opinion. I use Camino for general web browsing and Firefox with Firebug and other extensions for development. Maybe if Firefox 2 runs faster and leaks and uses less memory I'll use it for everything.
[sacrilege]IE7's RSS aggregator looks like it might shape out to be among the best.[/sacrilege]
Opera will zoom entire pages, very useful for resizing tiny little thumnail photos or huge images too big for my hpvs17 monitor... if it can be done, why isn't Apple on top of it?
You can get this already (along with Tab dragging and dropping) in Safari by getting SAFT:AoWolf said:
http://www.pimpmysafari.com
Other free plugins might also have it, but Saft is so good I never bothered to check anything else.
Im sorry
Im sorry, but wasn't tabbed browsing covered when Steve debuted Leaopard? and I saw the improved find feature in Safari 3 like almost 2 months ago... the only "new" feature that I see is the resizeable text fields....
I love safari and everything, but this isn't news.... why is everyone making such a big deal over this??
It's like as if I said, "Hey everyone! check this out! Tiger has an awesome NEW feature called WIDGETS!"
Im sorry, but wasn't tabbed browsing covered when Steve debuted Leaopard? and I saw the improved find feature in Safari 3 like almost 2 months ago... the only "new" feature that I see is the resizeable text fields....
I love safari and everything, but this isn't news.... why is everyone making such a big deal over this??
It's like as if I said, "Hey everyone! check this out! Tiger has an awesome NEW feature called WIDGETS!"
Those Safari updates? I would expect no less!!
If Safari didn't at least keep up with FireFox, then shame Apple. At best Safari should innovate just as much as Apple claims. How about CoverFlow for cached pages?
If Safari didn't at least keep up with FireFox, then shame Apple. At best Safari should innovate just as much as Apple claims. How about CoverFlow for cached pages?