New 'T-Mobile Unlimited 55+' Plan for Older Adults Offers 2 Lines for $60 a Month

[chriscrowlee]

So accordinng to your graph nobody needs unlimited data? I know of nobody neilssen asked, proves nothing.

Nobody needs unlimited data? Huh? That doesn't make sense. Unlimited data is an infinite amount. Do you understand how averages work? You might want to re-think that question.

BAHAHAHAH, who they "asked" oh lord... You realize they pay Verizon, ATT, TMO, etc etc for your data, right? You opt in through your terms of service. Do you really think Nielsen still gets most their data from calling people and asking them questions? Heck it wouldn't surprise me if MacRumors is selling the data from here to them so they can analyze the trends in forum discussions.

Almost every aspect of your life is shared with Nielsen or other data collection companies. Your electric company shares your usage data, your internet company, your water company, your cellphone company. Even if you opt out, you're only opting out of certain things like personally identifiable information, but not general data. You don't know anyone who nielsen asked... bahahahhaa.

 

[bopajuice]

My mom thinks she uses a bunch of data too because she texts 24\7... yet she uses about 0.2 gb per month. People always think texting a lot and listening to Pandora all day = lots of data usage. Not accurate.
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http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insigh...po_FJamDGUZo9PxgklkEjE&afflt_uid_2=AFFLT_ID_2

Facts are your friends. Maybe YOU and those YOU know use a lot of data, but FACTS don't support your FEELINGS.
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I speak based on facts, not your version of reality. Sorry....

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http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insigh...po_FJamDGUZo9PxgklkEjE&afflt_uid_2=AFFLT_ID_2

Facts trump your perception of reality. Absolutely there are people in the demo who use lots of data.. and those people are more likely to be on MacRumors and sites like it. However FACTS and REALITY are that your observation is a feeling, not a reality. Many people aren't in the group, but MOST people are.

I know lots of people in my circle who are vegetarian, but reality says MOST people eat meat. Just because I feel like I am surrounded by vegetarians, that doesn't mean that most people are vegetarians no matter how much I FEEL like it.




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We each average 6 to 8gb a month of cellular data. Sometimes a bit more. between three lines we hover at about 25gb a month.

I use my home internet service for all my entertainment. Cut the cord. My wife and I are at about 400 to 600gb a month.

 

[chriscrowlee]

We each average 6 to 8gb a month. Sometimes a bit more.

As with those late night infomercials for weight loss, "Result not typical, your experience may vary" ... your feelings of how much most people in the demographic use don't match the fact of how much the average person in the demographic uses.

 

[bopajuice]

As with those late night infomercials for weight loss, "Result not typical, your experience may vary" ... your feelings of how much most people in the demographic use don't match the fact of how much the average person in the demographic uses.

Point taken. I would like to point out we are above average.... and never poop out at parties. Now get off my lawn.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

Nobody needs unlimited data? Huh? That doesn't make sense. Unlimited data is an infinite amount. Do you understand how averages work? You might want to re-think that question.

BAHAHAHAH, who they "asked" oh lord... You realize they pay Verizon, ATT, TMO, etc etc for your data, right? You opt in through your terms of service. Do you really think Nielsen still gets most their data from calling people and asking them questions? Heck it wouldn't surprise me if MacRumors is selling the data from here to them so they can analyze the trends in forum discussions.

Almost every aspect of your life is shared with Nielsen or other data collection companies. Your electric company shares your usage data, your internet company, your water company, your cellphone company. Even if you opt out, you're only opting out of certain things like personally identifiable information, but not general data. You don't know anyone who nielsen asked... bahahahhaa.

Pull up your pants and grow up. 1.5 gigs difference average is virtually nothing talking about unlimited plans and that is the discussion.

We are talking about an existing unlimited plan. Look up what that means (their terms) and try posting something coherent. Its about reality and reality is what is offered. On ignore.

 

[bopajuice]

I resent the PEOPLE in here acting like 55 is ancient when it's still pretty damn young

People used to say hey dude what time is it?

Now they say excuse me sir do you have the time?

 

[pika2000]

The entire point is to entice the 55+ age group to switch to their service. The fact that they don't use much data is a win for T-Mobile. It's like selling a health club membership to 500lb man. Chances are they're not going to use it much. That's the whole point.

Elderly not using much data is a misconception. Sure, they might not use apps so much, but once they are comfortable with youtube, boy they do like having access to those "free" videos. My 70+ yo dad doesn't use much internet, but he uses more data than me since he streamed all his entertainment via youtube. I'm seeing similar trends with my friends' parents, depending on usage. Some like to do whatsapp/skype calls to their relative and friends all day long (elderly prefers talking vs texting, which uses more data).

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

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BAHAHAHAH, who they "asked" oh lord... You realize they pay Verizon, ATT, TMO, etc etc for your data, right? You opt in through your terms of service. Do you really think Nielsen still gets most their data from calling people and asking them questions? Heck it would[/QUOTE]


"

• Analyzing the cellphone bills of more than 65,000 mobile subscribers in the U.S.

• Conducting extensive drive tests to measure quality of service in North America

• Deploying On-Device Meters to measure smartphone activity

• Analyzing carrier server logs to understand feature phone usage behavior

• Surveying mobile consumers via telephone, in-person and online survey"

• 1. Phone surveys along with on device meters. 65,000 through bills, extremely small.

• 2. First step to to being a know it all is actually knowing someining. I know of nobody that was called or had a device attached.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Pull up your pants and grow up. 1.5 gigs difference average is virtually nothing talking about unlimited plans and that is the discussion.

We are talking about an existing unlimited plan. Look up what that means (their terms) and try posting something coherent. Its about reality and reality is what is offered. On ignore.

See this reply demonstrates you don't understand statistics. The usage is 1/3 the amount of the 18-40 demographics. Oh, but "it's just 1.5GB" ... learn about stats. Imagine your paycheck were 1/3 of what you make now. Would it be insignificant. Imagine if you were 1/3 of your height. Guess not so insignificant anymore ehh?
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Point taken. I would like to point out we are above average.... and never poop out at parties. Now get off my lawn.

Yeah, and my mom who is 60 is below average, even having worked for a tech company most of her adult life. Lots of examples on both sides, which is why people's "feelings" aren't as relevant as researched facts gathered by data mining companies like Nielsen

But more importantly, good for you for not pooping at parties. I wish more people would learn parties are not the place to poop. Even if bean dip is served, just hold it until you get home. It ties up the bathroom for far too long. Oh wait, I think I mis-read your comment. ;-)

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

See this reply demonstrates you don't understand statistics. The usage is 1/3 the amount of the 18-40 demographics. Oh, but "it's just 1.5GB" ... learn about stats. Imagine your paycheck were 1/3 of what you make now. Would it be insignificant. Imagine if you were 1/3 of your height. Guess not so insignificant anymore ehh?

Its you that intelligence eluded. The high side of these averages could be anything and if the averages are only 1.5 gb apart then the highs are possobly fairly close. How can you not understand that? If you think you can look at the averages and tell anything more than just that you are delusional.

I notice you skipped the part where they get info from both phone calls and on device monitoring.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Its you that intelligence eluded. The high side of these averages could be anything and if the averages are only 1.5 gb apart then the highs arr probably fairly close. If you think you can look at the averages and tell anything more than just that you are delusional.

Or that you still don't understand how statistics work. The fact is that on average under 40 uses 2-3x more data than the average 50+. But hey, I'm just going on fact and a background in statistical analysis as a career. Never mind.

 

[cmwade77]

Why two lines and not one line for $30 ?

Also, when did you become a senior at age 55 ?

Actually, this always used to be the age you became eligible for senior discounts, it fact some even set it at 50 at the time, it has only been within the past 10 to 15 years that we have seen the age increase to higher than that at many places.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

Or that you still don't understand how statistics work. The fact is that on average under 40 uses 2-3x more data than the average 50+. But hey, I'm just going on fact and a background in statistical analysis as a career. Never mind.

Bwahaha. I'm a brain surgeon, come see me I'm up for a challenge.

You still don't get that average only shows the average. If the lower end of seniors are using less (like none) than the baggy pants croud the upper end could be using the same amount and could benifit from the same plans.

Stastical analysis, please.

Again you ignored where you lied about them not getting statistics from phones and on device monitoring.
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Actually, this always used to be the age you became eligible for senior discounts, it fact some even set it at 50 at the time, it has only been within the past 10 to 15 years that we have seen the age increase to higher than that at many places.

Another lie. It has always depended on who was offering it, some are still 50 or 55. It never was "always" offered at 55. More offer it now. Your job at mcdonalds always offered 55 maybe.

On ignore for sure.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Bwahaha. I'm a brain surgeon, come see me I'm up for a challenge.

You still don't get that average only shows the average. If the lower end of seniors are using less (like none) than the baggy pants croud the upper end could be using the same amount and could benifit from the same plans.

Stastical analysis, please.

Again you ignored where you lied about them not getting statistics from phones and on device monitoring.
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Another lie. It has always depended on who was offering it. It never was "always" offered at 55. Your job at mcdonalds maybe.

You just don't get it.

 

[cmwade77]

Not sure what you're on about. I'm not talking about credit cards. I'm talking about debit cards and auto withdrawals from bank accounts. Once they have your money via a debit card, it's difficult to fight to get it back. The money is in limbo until the issue is resolved. That can be a bad situation for some folks.

If it is, then you have the wrong bank, we have four banks we work with and if you have a dispute, they refund the money immediately and tell you that if they find you are in the wrong, they will take the money back out.

They also say that if you misrepresented the facts intentionally and them taking the money causes you to overdraft they will charge overdraft fees, but only if you did this intentionally.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

You just don't get it.

You are the one not getting it. Averages prove averages. Period. It does not prove many are not in high range usage.
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If it is, then you have the wrong bank, we have four banks we work with and if you have a dispute, they refund the money immediately and tell you that if they find you are in the wrong, they will take the money back out.

They also say that if you misrepresented the facts intentionally and them taking the money causes you to overdraft they will charge overdraft fees, but only if you did this intentionally.

Exactly. The wife had a debit dispute returned the same day. Navy federal credit union.

 

[chriscrowlee]

You are the one not getting it. Averages prove averages. Period. It does not prove many are not in high range usage.

Yep, look up the word average. When analyzing a group of data in this scenario, it's a pretty good way to compare demographics. But hey, let's throw averages and analysis of data out the window and just go with your "feeling" of who uses what data based on your sole personal experience, that works much better.
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First step to to being a know it all is actually knowing someining. I know of nobody that was called or had a device attached.

So by this logic, if me not knowing something, I can't be a know it all. Since you know of nobody that was called or had a device attached, you're a know-knowing?

You're showing your age here with the post. you know of nobody that was called or had a device attached? What device would one attach to their cell phone to measure the data in\out? If someone called the average 55-90 year old, and said "how much data do you use in a month?" how many do you think would know or know where to find the info? This is my point, they're not asking people, they're buying the data from analytics agreements with cellular carriers. Nobody is calling and saying how many minutes do you use in a month. Read your privacy policy from your cell phone company, and you'll see EXACTLY how they're getting the data. Tho you seem hell-bent on being stuck in 1971 when Nielsen would call you and say "what did you watch on TV last night" or mailing you a box to attach to your TV. Get with the times buddy.

 

[ftaok]

I'm on about some baggy pants millenial making ignorant comments.

"Good luck to the seniors who have issues and don't have consumer protection because they're using a debit card/bank account instead of a credit card."

1. You can do sutopay with a credit card (I do) so your original condescending post implied we are too stupid do do so.

2. Even going by your remark in this latest post you seem to think we would be affected more than younger people. Condescending and ignorant since we pioneered credit cards, computers, mobile phones, pauing online, etc. You are guilty of unformed mouthing off at the very least.

Maybe you should be more concerned with who will set up normal accounts for millenials due to extreme laziness and self entitlement.

Yo see, we can all make stereotypical, idiotic comments.

I believe you should re-read the original article and subsequent posts, because I believe you missed my point.

To address Point 1; the original article says that to get the pricing, you must use Autopay with a Debit Card or Bank Account. The fact that you are currently using t-mobile Autopay with a credit card means nothing, because you are not on the 55+ Plan. Now, the article could be wrong, but in the context of the article and the subsequent posts, credit cards are not allowed.

To address Point 2; if in fact, the 55+ plan $60 pricing requires Autopay with a debit card or bank account, then only "seniors" are affected. This is because only "seniors" can get this plan. Younger folks cannot be affected by the dangers of using Autopay with a debit card on the 55+ plan because they are not eligible for the plan in the first place.

BTW, I don't think I had said anything condescending in my original post. If you took it that way, please know that I did not intend for my post to come across that way to you (or anyone else). Therefore I apologize.

 

[RobinInOR]

What's the point? Statistically, those 55+ use the least data of any demographic. Having unlimited means almost nothing to most people in that age group.

Sorry, that view of the demographic doesn’t hold any more, as you can see by all the previous posts. I’m 10 years older than that and I’ve been programming and working with computers for over 40 years. Unlimited means ALOT to me, and if T-Mobile was in this area I’d jump on this.

People need to readjust their definition of grandparent being technologically incompetent memes to reference great-grandparents instead

 

[ftaok]

If it is, then you have the wrong bank, we have four banks we work with and if you have a dispute, they refund the money immediately and tell you that if they find you are in the wrong, they will take the money back out.

They also say that if you misrepresented the facts intentionally and them taking the money causes you to overdraft they will charge overdraft fees, but only if you did this intentionally.

Well that's great and all, but it's not law. Credit cards have much better consumer protection laws in this aspect.

 

[cmwade77]

Another lie. It has always depended on who was offering it, some are still 50 or 55. It never was "always" offered at 55. More offer it now. Your job at mcdonalds always offered 55 maybe.

On ignore for sure.

Actually, it used to be 55 at all of the following and this was about 15 to 20 years ago by the way:

• Restaurants (Fast Food would often make it 50, most sit down restaurants were 55)
• Movie Theaters
• Phone Companies
• Electric Companies
• Water Companies
• Gas Companies
• Grocery Stores
• Theme Parks
• National Parks
• State Parks

Not a lie and not an exhaustive list, but these are the ones that I know for sure based on real experience with my Grandma getting senior discounts.

It also used to be the age that you could qualify for FULL Social Security benefits, as well as the age that you could retire with a full pension from jobs that offered such things.
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Well that's great and all, but it's not law. Credit cards have much better consumer protection laws in this aspect.

Actually, contrary to popular belief, it if is in writing, such as the terms of service when you sign up, then you are indeed covered because that is considered a written contract and they must uphold their end of suffer the consequences, just as you must uphold yours.

Also, Visa and Mastercard have requirements for how the bank handles things and will fine the banks if they don't comply.

Additionally, the law makes very little distinction between debit card (with a Visa, Mastercard or AMEX logo) and a credit card anymore, most, if not all of the protections that used to apply only to credit cards now also apply to debit cards now due to recent changes in the laws. I know credit card companies still want you to believe that this is not the case because they want to make money off the interest and higher transaction fees, but really you are just as protected, the only difference is the money comes out of a debit card immediately vs. it taking time to impact you financially with a credit card.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Sorry, that view of the demographic doesn’t hold any more, as you can see by all the previous posts. I’m 10 years older than that and I’ve been programming and working with computers for over 40 years.

And your point proves that data analysis works, a sampling of "Well I'm not like that so it's untrue" does not. If you go into a vegan restaurant, you can walk out and proclaim "this country is mostly vegans" but that doesn't make it true. The 50-90 year old demographic participants that use Macrumors are by far more affluent than average within that age group. I'm not stereotyping, I'm just stating that the percentage of users within the 18-24 demographic who use high data far far far outnumber the percentage of users in the 50+ demo. You can argue it to death, but reality is reality, facts are facts. You're unique within the demographic as is supported by the stats.

 

[ftaok]

Actually, it used to be 55 at all of the following and this was about 15 to 20 years ago by the way:

• Restaurants (Fast Food would often make it 50, most sit down restaurants were 55)
• Movie Theaters
• Phone Companies
• Electric Companies
• Water Companies
• Gas Companies
• Grocery Stores
• Theme Parks
• National Parks
• State Parks

Not a lie and not an exhaustive list, but these are the ones that I know for sure based on real experience with my Grandma getting senior discounts.

It also used to be the age that you could qualify for FULL Social Security benefits, as well as the age that you could retire with a full pension from jobs that offered such things.

I'm finding this quite amusing. There's no real answer for when someone becomes a Senior Citizen. Personally, I've always used 65 as the general demarcation line.

But then other organizations and such have different definitions. To add to your list.

Senior PGA Tour - 50
AARP - 50
SEPTA (public transportation in Philly) - 65 ... boo SEPTA
Roth IRA - 59-1/2
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Actually, contrary to popular belief, it if is in writing, such as the terms of service when you sign up, then you are indeed covered because that is considered a written contract and they must uphold their end of suffer the consequences, just as you must uphold yours.

Also, Visa and Mastercard have requirements for how the bank handles things and will fine the banks if they don't comply.

Additionally, the law makes very little distinction between debit card (with a Visa, Mastercard or AMEX logo) and a credit card anymore, most, if not all of the protections that used to apply only to credit cards now also apply to debit cards now due to recent changes in the laws. I know credit card companies still want you to believe that this is not the case because they want to make money off the interest and higher transaction fees, but really you are just as protected, the only difference is the money comes out of a debit card immediately vs. it taking time to impact you financially with a credit card.

I hope this is becoming more of a reality, but I'm not sure it's completely there yet. In my quick 2 minute search, I only found one recent article and it states that CC holds an advantage over DC still in terms of security and consumer protection.

I'll continue using my CC in these types of situations until there are actual laws. Or when the time comes to pick a new bank, perhaps I'll find one with better dispute protections.

 

[macduke]

My mom thinks she uses a bunch of data too because she texts 24\7... yet she uses about 0.2 gb per month. People always think texting a lot and listening to Pandora all day = lots of data usage. Not accurate.
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http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insigh...po_FJamDGUZo9PxgklkEjE&afflt_uid_2=AFFLT_ID_2

Facts are your friends. Maybe YOU and those YOU know use a lot of data, but FACTS don't support your FEELINGS.
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I speak based on facts, not your version of reality. Sorry....

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http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insigh...po_FJamDGUZo9PxgklkEjE&afflt_uid_2=AFFLT_ID_2

Facts trump your perception of reality. Absolutely there are people in the demo who use lots of data.. and those people are more likely to be on MacRumors and sites like it. However FACTS and REALITY are that your observation is a feeling, not a reality. Many people aren't in the group, but MOST people are.

I know lots of people in my circle who are vegetarian, but reality says MOST people eat meat. Just because I feel like I am surrounded by vegetarians, that doesn't mean that most people are vegetarians no matter how much I FEEL like it.




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Nielsen? For real? The 90s called, they want their outdated OTA TV ratings company back.

You don't seem to understand T-Mobile's business model: Chip away at the competition any way you can. I don't think anyone you quoted said anything about old people using more data than young people. But they still use a decent amount of data, and there is a minority that uses a lot and would be enticed to switch. Chipping away!

However, where you messed up—and why you're getting so much flack—is because you made a blanket statement: "Having unlimited means almost nothing to most people in that age group." That is clearly untrue, as many people in this forum pointed out, making your blanket statement false—as most blanket statements turn out to be.

Furthermore, if a lot of older people are on T-Mobile, then their data usage wouldn't be reflected accurately in your numbers compared to other networks, as T-Mobile doesn't count many streaming music and video services towards your data usage. Personally my data usage went way down after switching, and I often hit under 2GB/mo which gives me a $10/mo service credit per line that is under 2GB. Being in your 25-34 age group, that makes me outside of your numbers as well because I use T-Mobile. Prior to that I would usually do 4-6GB/mo.

T-Mobile is all around a better deal if you live in an area that has decent service coverage. Those 55+ could conceivably pay $40/mo if they stay under 2GB. Due to stacked discounts available when creating my account, moving from Verizon, and staying under 2GB/mo, my bill for three lines of unlimited and one 2GB tablet line is only $70/mo.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Nielsen? For real? The 90s called, they want their outdated OTA TV ratings company back.

"Having unlimited means almost nothing to most people in that age group." That is clearly untrue, as many people in this forum pointed out, making your blanket statement false—as most blanket statements turn out to be.

T-Mobile is all around a better deal if you live in an area that has decent service coverage.

You may want to research Nielsen. They're bigger than ever now. Just about every online survey is administered through a Nielsen company... like when you go on a flight and the next day you get a survey in the email. Or when you read your phone, internet, electricity, credit card, grocery membership, or any other privacy policy you'll see they're involved with the data collection. Nielsen is about as relevant now as they ever have been. Analyzing consumer trends is a bigger business now than any time in history, and Nielsen is HUGE.

My blanket statement is accurate and supported by the facts. A small subset of those over 55 use MacRumors, so of course those on here will respond just like the small subset of responses if you go into a vegan restaurant say "who here is vegan?" Most people in the world don't use Mac computers. Oh, but wait, queue all the responses that *I* do so that statistic must be right, ehh?

I have ATT on a family plan. We all have unlimited, $35 a month tax included per line. TMO sure does a good job of making their users think the competition is much more expensive. It's like Verizon in the 1990s and 2000s had their customers convinced if they switched to another carrier they'd instantly have no bars. Laughable. But hey, your comment shows their marketing works.