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Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by ipoopsplinters, Jan 30, 2012.
Well, long story short i ranted and got some of it out and nobody liked it. Take it easy guys!
Funny, I had your exact realizations just three weeks ago. Literally to the T! And I'm sure most guys who switch over have come to the same realization. Enjoy your apple products, bro.
I suspect it relates to the human need for identity. As a child we find our identity within our family (if we have a relatively healthy family), so you might get young boys boasting about who has the best dad, etc. But as kids grow older (and perhaps it's happening earlier and earlier now), they start to look for identity outside the familya way of identifying with one group of people, and distinguishing themselves from others. People seek identity through fashion, or the music they listen to, or label themselves according to sexual preferences and habits, or religion, or lack of religionso long as they have others who they can identify with.
So it is with tech gadgets and those who, like you described yourself, get very passionate in defending their own, and attacking others. Somehow, the brand of gadget has become associated with your own identity. Why else would people get so emotional about an object? Because they paid lots of money for it, and want to feel better about their purchase? Partly, but I think it goes deeper than that.
Apple succeeds as a brand in this respect because many of its values are things people are happy to identify withApple values products which are high-quality, stylish, creative, uncluttered, attractive. But others focus on the 'closed' ecosystem, which in their mind signifies lack of freedomsomething they don't like to be associated with. In reality, all these gadgets are amazing in what they do. You can choose any number of brands, and achieve most of the same tasks with them. It's only natural to have a preference, but when people get highly emotion in arguing which is best, I suggest it has a lot to do with the abstract values they attach to the brand, and how that relates to their own sense of identity.
What do you mean nobody liked it? I only just got through typing a long response and by that time you had already deleted your post!
Love for Apple products needs to be tested by time. Get back with us in a few months as I still find the need to go back and forth between my SG2 and 4S.
Oh man, i crossposted this same thing over on the main community area and just got blasted for complaining too much. Like i predicted in the first paragraph "nobody read it and complained" about my wall of text. So i came back expecting the same over here and surprisingly didn't get it. Deleted all of it just to get it out of the way anyway expecting the same thing to happen.
I gotta say though, out of all that typing and ranting, your reply was exactly what i was hoping to get, so in a way it was all worth it even if nobody else ever sees what i complained about.
The identity issue explains it all perfectly. Those who strive to define themselves without much else to help build their character, cling to things like phones and gadgets to say "hey, i made a damn good buying decision here. Look at me and how awesome i am for enjoying this tech". Like a wine taster drinking a nice glass or an art major commenting on art, we like to involve ourselves in this because it's a big part of culture. IOS and android have their own themes. Their own things that work for them, things they stand for and all that and we pick a side. Well, some of us. I like to sit right in the middle most of the time and play with everything i can get my hands on.
The most shocking to me (maybe being comfortable with android and not getting much hate made me sort of blind to it) was how much iphone users were attacked as brainless sheep who only buy things for fashion and just the...hate. It's weird getting an iphone and commenting on how i love it and a slew of people run to their keyboards to tell me (very sure of themselves i might add) that what i like is inferior and i'm stupid for liking it.
I just...don't remember this back in my day. Not much anyway. When the first iphone came out, since there wasn't much to compare it to, people knew how amazing it was and appreciated what it brought to the table. Now a few years later now that others companies have directly copied apple, apple just seems like one of the many doing the same thing. Most people don't even realize apple was the first for pinching gestures and putting all these sensors in phones and all that.
Reminds me too much of republicans bashing Obama. Yeah, you might not like him and you might disagree with him, but calling him a socialist muslim that's destroying the country is a bit far to stretch your dislike. You can dislike something without getting nasty about it
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I *think* we may be over thinking this fella's. We may just have a guy who simply found out that the iPhone/Apple ego system fits hit needs better. There is no doubt that any/almost all android user slams on iOS products. Go to any android forum. Someone will post "SGS 2 gets an update." the comments will then say how android users are so lucky they don't have the ****** hardware and lockdown of iOS. Now what does that really have to do with the galaxy s2 getting an update? Nothing. I've recently sold my galaxy nexus for a razr and I'm very very impressed. However at the end of the day my primary phone is and has been my 4S.
Like the OP I've been using android since it was relevant. I love it. To each his own but for me at the end of the day the apple/iOS way of life works out better for me. Works like it is supposed to and is the easiest to just use. With that said, I will give it to Samsung and motorola(SGS2 & Razr) they have really brought some competition to the table.
I don't understand why people would be giving you a hard time over that post. It somewhat reflects my own thoughts. I never got caught up in the Apple vs. Other debate. I had always been a PC user. My progression to Apple was iPhone, MacBook Air, iMac and when the 3 comes out, iPad. With each step I realized how the Apple line of products was superior to what I had been using.
I don't know enough about Android to say anything good or bad. What I do know is that whenever I got a new PC, it ran great but slowed to a crawl over time. I figured it was conflicts with firewalls and virus checkers and utilities that were suppose to "double my speed" but didn't. My Bill Gates virus magnet now sits unused waiting for me to dust it off, run the restore disk and install the two simulation programs I have that won't run on Mac. (I know...Use Bootcamp to install a Windows partition. No thanks. Tried that and messed it up so bad that Apple had to reinstall the original software). Since switching to Apple, my iPhone 3 works as good as it did on day 1 and the same with the Air and the Mac.
People on other forums tell me that the only reason I don't have viruses on my Mac is because the hackers don't see a market with Apple products yet. I respond that it's odd they can hack the CIA but they can't hack an Apple.
Ah yes, 'without much else to help build their character'. Well said. Products can be bought, but characters have to be built. (Although in Steve Jobs' case, we forgive his difficult character because he built great products!)
Oh, and I can't believe I forgot to mention sporting teams! That's the obvious example. You see it all with sportthe tribal mentality, people decorating themselves in their team colours to identify personally with them (and all the other fans), getting so emotional during and even after a game. If you can step back and look at it objectively, it's just a bunch of guys you don't even know kicking a ball around.
I'm a long-time Mac user, since before Steve Jobs returned and saved Apple from the brink of bankruptcy, and I've seen things change a lot in relation to people's attitudes to Apple. There was always negativity in some form from those who didn't buy Apple products, but it was different. Back then Microsoft was the king of the castle and Apple was the underdog. You were never called a 'sheep' for buying a Mac back thenthat is for sure! That sort of insult could only be aimed at Windows users. As a Mac user you were different, and so Apple's advertising campaign 'Think different' was about trying to make Apple users and staff proud of this fact.
But yes, now things have turned around. Apple has a huge marketshare with iOS devices, so people can label us 'sheep' for not buying something else. Never mind that some of us were around long before iOS, and actually helped contribute to Apple's survival and subsequent success by staying with a product we preferred. And yes, a lot of people really haven't a clue as to the history of it all.
Educate people when you can, ignore those who treat their choice of gadget like a religion. Enjoy the amazing technology you are blessed to own and be happy.
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Love the above post. I remember being accused of using fischer-price computer, hearing "Apple is for people who dont understand PCs" asked why I used Macintrash, and when I was "going to buy a real PC."
Nowadays, most of those same people have an iPhone and love it, and ended up buying Apple computers. Suddenly they can't stop talking about how much they love their new machines.
None of them seem to realize that was why I kept buying Apple products: I liked them. They worked well for me. Every time I had to troubleshoot a friend's PC while mine was still running fine, it just reinforced how nice it was to not have to worry about hunting for drivers, software conflicts, manually setting up an Internet connection, viruses, Trojans, spyware, or the inexplicable BSOD requiring a system restore.
And I really have to laugh, because those people now using Macs and iPhones are happy, but there's a whole new generation who thinks I'm some kind of elitist snob for using Apple, or buying their machines as fashion accessories.
Never does it occur to them that maybe I just like the machines and the OS. It's hilarious, really.
This, most of all.
The internet is full of young males searching for groups to identify with, and they will take things personally and to extreme.
well i think some of the dislike for apple comes from the over-pricing of their stuff.
in the UK galaxy S2 on contract £26 per month, free phone, iphone 4s £41 per month.
so for a 50% increase in price I would expect premium features more than any other handset. But with apple instead they offer a handset with fewer features.
smaller screen 3.5inch
no intergrated free navigation
no live wallpapers.
No facetime over 3G
No using the phone as external hard drive without installing itunes.
no removable battery
and they want me to pay 50% more? LOL
Then they do things like realease the 4s with siri but block it from all other handsets. But apple users seem to just bend over and take it . Baffles me
We all see things differently
you are very smart. i study sociology on my college as a subject and didnt think of it that way, you have definitely nailed the problem...
but the new bigger problem arises, two things: first, building and developing your own character with a phone?? and second: what happened with all the specialization, individualism and respecting others preferences and opinions that should be building this new world and differentiating us from medieval?
I would be much happier with a 4" screen.
the motionx navigation isnt intergrated and you can't search for anything like in google maps/nav. You cant use voice commands or siri with motion x like you can with google nav. Google maps is your one stop shop for searching & navigating its super slick. Apple are way behind
Its just another service google supplies free that apple doesnt. The prices I quoted are the cheapest available in the UK for iphone on contract. Iphone is 50% more expensive than the s2 on contract in the UK
but the s2 outsold the 4s in from october-december so apple might have to become more competetive
Whaaaa? I search for stuff all the time and it literally works better than google nav did for searching on my android phone. When i'd search "best buy" on my rezound, only a couple best buys popped up and for whatever reason, a couple of them weren't even listed at all. With motionx, every single one of them were listed and easily clickable for voice turn by turn navigation. I don't know. Maybe it's different in the uk and for whatever reason, you can't search. Here in america it works perfectly and has more functions than google nav
Well, if i wanted to find restaurants around me on my android phone, i'd have to either search for a specific one or exit the app entirely and go to "places". Whereas on motionx, there's a ton of different ways to find places around you. I can even click "wikipedia" to get information about the area around me. Or "restaurants" to search by category and even find places i've never been to. Or "gas" for gas stations and closest places
That's true. What happens when google leaves out features in google nav for us android users? We buy a separate app for it. Considering motion has all this extra functionality for only a buck, i'd call it an even better deal than the free stuff that android gets you. But its all personal preference and you're free to choose what you want
You mean...the galaxy s2? Samsung sold 35 million units, which is pretty impressive. But apple sold 37 million and apple is only one new phone per year, whereas samsung is a crapshoot of different phones.
I don't like to get into pissing contests about numbers. I really don't. Numbers don't show how happy people are with what they have or contribute to the experience (like how the 1.5ghz dual core in my rezound didn't feel smoother than the 1.0 ghz in the iphone) But i'll play along for a second before i get on the treadmill for a half hour.
Ever read forbes? Android Share Dive Aftershocks. I'll spare you a the full page reading and give you a quote:
"What we did witness in the US handset market was a remarkable decline in Android market share combined with a strong rise in iPhone market share. The 15 point share decline of the Android phone family detected by Nielsen triggered a variety of issues. HTC‘s handset volumes for November and December decreased sharply. AT&T’s profitability deteriorated as more than 80% of its smartphone activations were now taken over by the heavily subsidized iPhone. Motorola delivered dismal 5% handset revenue growth YoY."
In a nutshell, android's marketshare is hurting and apple's keeps going up. Samsung did fairly well, but that's in comparison to motorola, htc and lg. Not apple.
Here's another article that came out recently and a quote on the declining android market: Nielsen Numbers Bad Indeed for Android, RIM
"Android is not in similar straits, but the 4Q11 seems gruesome enough for different reasons.
This was the first quarter when Apple engaged in wide-spread price competition – the $0 iPhone 3GS at AT&T and the $99 iPhone 4 at AT&T and Verizon. It wasn’t obvious how the two-year old iPhone 3GS would do against tough low-end Android competition. The 3GS is seriously underpowered by some metrics. The display is notably coarse, with a 320×480 pixel count. Many free Android phones feature 480×800 pixel count in a substantially larger and brighter screen. No matter – the positively ancient iPhone 3GS must have connected with US consumers in a big way. Otherwise, Apple’s market share wouldn’t have soared from 25% to 45% in two months. Conclusion – really old Apple hardware is competitive with brand new Android hardware at the low end of the smartphone market.
The variety of vendors and phones did not help Android. The market share tumble from 62% to 47% is jaw-dropping considering how Motorola, Samsung, HTC, LG and other brands blanketed the stores with different phones. This implies a really, really ugly glut of Androids in 1Q2012 in North America. We know Nielsen numbers reflect the same sort of massive Android market share loss in America that NPD demonstrated last week – so the trend looks real.
Next up – iPhone 5 with presumably a bigger leap in design and feature performance next summer. The iPhone 4S was actually a relative moment of weakness for Apple, because it only represents an incremental improvement on iPhone 4.
The Android camp is now facing some very tough decisions – particularly as Samsung is clearly pulling away from HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony and other brands. The current pricing of Android phones is not working against Apple in either the high-end or the low-end smartphone market. Loading cheap Android models with attractive features like advanced display tech and powerful processors is not helping them to compete with the seriously ancient iPhone 3GS."
Just because you prefer the s2, doesn't mean apple has to worry about competition at this point or is doing poorly. They're dominating.
people pick a side and fight for it because it's human nature. we're weak, stupid, and think what we do and think is more important than it is. in the end, it doesn't really matter. just phones bro
i was talking about the UK which is where i buy my phones. You start talking about USA ? what about worldwide? wheres iphones market share at compared to android? It means nothing to anyone outside the usa that you can get a cheap deal on contract there.
Apple need to respond and if they dont release a phone with a bigger screen and more features they will continue to lose market share outside america.
Also if they dont do better on price in the UK people will go for something better value like the s2 (which they did)
At school iPhones are admired by those with lowend or midrange androids (which used to be me)
Not to be nasty or anything, but i think you live inside a bubble. Really. I see this way of thinking quite a bit among android users. This "well well apple could be great and they could get my business but since there isn't a bigger screen i won't buy it! And since i'm not buying it, they and their entire company are in trouble!"
No. Because you want a bigger screen, you're a different market. They don't go out of their way to pander to people that aren't really interested in their product. Other manufacturers bend over backwards adding feature after feature just to desperately get business. Apple? They do what they do and if you don't like it, you shop somewhere else. If apple was the type to succumb to the market like that, osx would've been licensed out to other manufacturers and they would've gone the microsoft route and had a huge marketshare. They didn't and they won't.
If you feel google is a better value for YOU, that's fine. But going on an apple forum and saying the iphone is a piece of crap product that has no value and is doomed to fail won't win you any points. Enjoy your s2!
Like any internet arguing over products, a lot of it is fueled by buyer's remorse. Not necessarily that an Android owner sees your iPhone and wishes he/she bought an iPhone instead, but rather you like to see other people using what you picked. That way you feel like you're not the only one, and in the smartphone world, that's what it's all about. If you're not the only one, then support will continue for the device you chose and you will keep getting apps and new models.
The other part of it is that our devices are almost part of us these days. Everyone either has or wants a smartphone. Tablets are becoming more and more commonplace. Laptops are everywhere. We get very passionate about the gadgets we choose. The problem with choosing Apple is that people who use anything else (usually nerd types) think you're an idiot for choosing Apple. There's a guy on my train who likes to look at what everyone is using and suggest Android for anyone using an iPhone or iPad. He's like the Android evangelist for my train car. I think most people just take his opinions with a grain of salt, but it's very rude and obnoxious. Apple people do this too, but I have never seen an Apple user try to go out of their way to pick fights the way Android users do. It really baffles me. And it annoys me to the point where I don't even like telling people what phone I use. Even my sister in law, who is not a techie at all, likes to start arguments about why her Atrix is better than my iPhone. It comes up at every family gathering and I just despise it. I don't even like getting my iPhone out in front of her.
There's no rhyme or reason. I've been in IT for the past several years. I am the type of user you would call a "nerd". Yet, I have slowly been converting all my equipment over to Apple. The only non-Apple stuff left in my house is one Windows 7 tower (soon to be replaced with a Mac Mini). I support other peoples' computer problems all day long. The last thing I want to do when I get home is fix MY stuff all night. But now I don't have to, because it all just works.
i bet the next iphone has a bigger screen. Only because the competition has forced them
If in fact 3.5" is better then they should stick with it. I personally prefer a larger screen. Even having 20/20 my eyes get to tired too fast if I'm forced to stare at this thing too long.
My next phone WILL have a larger screen regardless. I think a lot to do with screen depends on what you are used too. It's difficult for me to appreciate the iPhones screen cause I'm used to a larger one. I'm always hitting the wrong letters when typing and my eyes hurt is all I'm thinking. I've already gotten used to a larger phone in my pocket so I can't appreciate a smaller one you know?
Isn't there a thread that has a poll that the majority of people want a larger screen? Building a product that consumers want is never a bad idea.
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I'd like the next iPhone to have a larger screen, it's actually not so much reading thats a problem for me it's the cramped real estate that bothers me. Larger screen Android phones show a lot more info on the screen at a time than iPhones, it just seems laughably cramped in comparison. I hope Apple can eventually solve this issue.
Well, some people say the clothes you wear say a lot about you
or the contents of your handbag (or I suppose your manbag)
or maybe your tattoo. But it's all pretty shallow isn't it. Look at the people who are considered 'stars' in mainstream media and you get a glimpse at what our culture aspires to
Are they the ones who are building orphanages and distributing healthcare to the third world? Nope. They're the ones who make the 100 hottest people awards.
People seem to have a love/hate relationship with individualism. People who really stand out for being different may gain some respect, but it seems people quite enjoy seeing them knocked down too. Perhaps deep down we all wish we had the courage to truly be different, but it's a bit scary because we also want to be liked and accepted by othersthere is comfort to be had in being like others. Teens, wishing to forge there own identity separate from their parents and other perceived authorities, typically go out of their way to be outlandish or contentious, but see how they all do it in the same way! It reminds me of this scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian.
That's a very practical reason for wanting others to buy the same technology, and I think there can be some truth to this. I remember years ago, when Apple's fortunes were very grim, thinking that if Apple ever went under and Mac OS stopped being developed, I would change careers rather than switch to Windows! (Windows really was quite horrible back in those days.) So yes, I wanted Mac market share to increase for that reason. I don't think it explains the amount of time and emotion some people give to the whole issue though.
That's when it starts to become almost like a religion for some people, and it's pretty sad I thinknot just for them, but for all the people around them!