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I'm interested in getting a new TV and adding a soundbar to replace my two OG HomePods as the sound source. It's been a while since I've bought a TV so I'm not sure what to go with these days. If it's a factor, I'd say about 90% of my content is viewed on Apple TV. My needs/wants are:
  1. A 60-65" TV plus a soundbar that only need to handle a few devices. Currently I have an Apple TV and TiVo box connected.
  2. A soundbar that is controlled through the tv and existing remotes. I don't want separate remotes for the soundbar. ATV remote and TiVo remote to control sound seamlessly.
  3. A soundbar that is decent but doesn't need to rattle windows. The OG HomePod stereo pair was plenty of volume. If given the choice I would take a soundbar by itself that has so-so bass versus a soundbar with subwoofer.
Can anyone recommend anything?
 
Question, why do you want to replace your original HomePod pair? I would take those over most sound bars.
This new volume bug just has me annoyed and kinda over it. I’m just looking for something a little more stable that doesn’t develop glitches with software updates. Also something that can utilize the soundbar for regular tv with the TiVo.
 
Oh yes, I remember seeing your posts about that now. Can imagine that must be a real pain in the arse. My HomePod mini stereo pair with my Apple TV 4K have been rock solid when it comes to stuff like that so I think I’ve been lucky. (All on the latest 17 dev betas)
 
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Sonos Arc is often rated #1 or near #1 in about all objective head-to-head reviews. I have one that I use solely for music in a bedroom and it sounds excellent... and I was surprised at how good it sounds (I'm generally down on soundbars when someone is chasing quality of sound).

Sonos also offers easy expandability to up to full surround sound and already has all that software to do so refined and functional for years now. There are not even rumors of Apple having any interest in making HomePods (HPs) do more than stereo.

Lastly, Sonos works just fine with Apple Music and Airplay 2... so their speakers are effective at bringing the bulk of the best parts of HPs without the lockdown of the HPs. Not being Apple, Sonos also works equally well with about every other music provider out there.

If Siri "smarts(?)" is important to you, use Siri in your Mac, AppleTV or iDevices for Siri commands. That will bring every bit of Apple's current level of Siri "smarts(?)" to any setup. Else, smarter smarts are available if desired, including a version of smarts from Sonos themselves.

Note: if you are wide open to suggestion, consider the superior option of NOT going with a soundbar at all but buying yourself a great receiver and a traditional 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound setup (5-7 speakers + sub) or better. Yes, that can be a bit more trouble to set up (ONCE) but it will deliver superior home theater sound than one can accomplish with ANY soundbar (or 2 HPs). While I do use a Sonos Arc like others use a HP, my main home theater setup is this way (receiver plus dedicated speakers & sub). If you want the very best sound, this is the way to go.

You can't go to any movie theater and see only a soundbar and/or 2 HPs down front by the screen. Why? Because that can't deliver the sound of dedicated speakers at strategic locations AROUND the audience. Replicating that in the home has been possible since the 1990s.

While soundbars offer very simple setup with as little as one cable connection, there are many audio sacrifices. And don't be fooled by marketing on the boxes claiming ATMOS. If you want true ATMOS, you need multiple speakers positioned all around you and overhead.

Whether receiver + speakers or soundbar, if modern and not dirt cheap, they should have a good implementation of CEC, which should allow a single remote to turn them on and off and control volume.

As to a TV recommendation: research, read reviews, go see some with your own eyes and choose for your own tastes. The one thing I'll offer is that the TV will outlast pretty much anything you could buy from Apple today... probably by a factor of 2X or longer. So budget accordingly. We Apple people will set an alarm to get up in the middle of the night trying to be first to buy something we'll be calling "long in tooth" in a few years and replacing in a few more (at most). Then we look at non-Apple tech like speakers and televisions and often "cheap out" even though both are likely to last farrrrrrr longer than any Apple stuff. I always suggest people budget and buy accordingly.
 
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We have an Sonos Arc that has been reliable and 'just works'. Although I find it overpriced for its sound performance and unlike the poster above I've been pretty underwhelmed using it for music. My main concern was getting good dialog from shows/movies and I've been happy with that.

ETA: I have the non-smart version of the Arc.
 
I've got quite a decent 5.1 (13 ch max) system now but recall shopping for soundbars with a sealed sub (Sony), even had a Yamaha sound projector set up. Everyone's needs will differ but I wanted something for 2.0 music and 5.1 movies (always a compromise). So the main question is, how many ch are you after, rears also?

Everything has HDMI-CEC now days for consolidating remotes and (for the most part) things harmonize well.

On another note, I'm just so smitten with the sound projection with my 16" MBP, heck, even the 13 Mini, that I wonder why Apple hasn't entered the soundbar market already.
 

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Sonos Arc is often rated #1 or near #1 in about all objective head-to-head reviews. I have one that I use solely for music and it sounds excellent... and I was surprised at how good it sounds (I'm generally down on soundbars when someone is chasing quality of sound).

Sonos also offers easy expandability to up to full surround sound and already has all that software to do so refined and functional for years now. There are not even rumors of Apple having any interest in making HomePods (HPs) do more than stereo.

Lastly, Sonos works just fine with Apple Music and Airplay 2... so their speakers are effective at bringing the bulk of the best parts of HPs without the lockdown of the HPs. Not being Apple, Sonos also works equally well with about every other music provider out there.

If Siri "smarts(?)" is important to you, use Siri in your Mac, AppleTV or iDevices for Siri commands. That will bring every bit of Apple's current level of Siri "smarts(?)" to any setup. Else, smarter smarts are available if desired, including a version of smarts from Sonos themselves.

Note: if you are wide open to suggestion, consider the superior option of NOT going with a soundbar at all but buying yourself a great receiver and a traditional 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound setup (5-7 speakers + sub) or better. Yes, that can be a bit more trouble to set up (ONCE) but it will deliver superior home theater sound than one can accomplish with ANY soundbar (or 2 HPs). While I do use a Sonos Arc like others use a HP, my main home theater setup is this way (receiver plus dedicated speakers & sub). If you want the very best sound, this is the way to go.

You can't go to any movie theater and see only a soundbar and/or 2 HPs down front by the screen. Why? Because that can't deliver the sound of dedicated speakers at strategic locations AROUND the audience. Replicating that in the home has been possible since the 1990s.

While soundbars offer very simple setup with as little as one cable connection, there are many audio sacrifices. And don't be fooled by marketing on the boxes claiming ATMOS. If you want true ATMOS, you need multiple speakers positioned all around you and overhead.

Whether receiver + speakers or soundbar, if modern and not dirt cheap, they should have a good implementation of CEC, which should allow a single remote to turn them on and off and control volume.

As to a TV recommendation: research, read reviews, go see some with your own eyes and choose for your own tastes. The one thing I'll offer is that the TV will outlast pretty much anything you could buy from Apple today... probably by a factor of 2X or longer. So budget accordingly. We Apple people will set an alarm to get up in the middle of the night trying to be first to buy something we'll be calling "long in tooth" in a few years and replacing in a few more (at most). Then we look at non-Apple tech like speakers and televisions and often "cheap out" even though both are likely to last farrrrrrr longer than any Apple stuff. I always suggest people budget and buy accordingly.
Very good advice there. I used to, many moons ago, have a very old (pre hdmi) AVR, huge Jamo mains, centre, rears (not the best) and even larger Yamaha ported sub. Got rid of it all wanting to go minimalist and started looking at a soundbar+sub solution.

The whole angled ATMOS angled speaker thingie was a farce off course. 3 meter non absorbing ceilings aside. So whilst I was happy with an attached propitiatory sealed sub for movies, the severe lacking was off course the mid ranges i.e. center channel voices. Even my Sony OLED did better there with it's panel sound actuators. So once again I seem to have ended with a large 5.1 system..yay and sigh. Still not happy but that's entirely all attributed to room nodes that need treatment.

So ultimately I agree that AVR's (like Denon 7.1/9.1) are so dirt cheap now, one could rather invest there in decent surround speakers, smaller 2 sealed subs even. Microphone based sound correction software also does a pretty decent job to correct for room problems. If, you want to keep things cleaner, then a soundbar with at least physical rears will be better than nothing.

Also a little shout out to the sound tracks of Apple TV+, totally phenomenal and miles ahead in terms of balance and clarity of any other streaming service imho.
 
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I went the opposite way, replaced a Yamaha soundbar (that worked ok but sometimes got glitchy and stopped working with bluetooth streaming) with a HomePod mini stereo pair that has been flawless in conjunction with my AppleTV. It was really nice to get back space on the mantel (our TV is wall-mounted above the fireplace) and the sound is better in the highs and mids without losing too much in the lows.
 
Awesome replies guys! Thank you all!
I‘ve added my bit about sound but more own experience on the tv front. I’ve owned a 65“ Sony A1 OLED for 4 yrs now. Viewing distance is 3m and resolution is fantastic to the point that even a larger oled would’ve been fine. The outdated LCD arguments of size vs distance irrelevant.
Screen has dimmed over the years, that’s noticeable. With pixel shift and refresh tech there’s no burn in.

In my building sound carries terribly to multiple apartments. So at Night I’ve the Avr off and have much clarity through the screen (multiple actuators vibrate behind the panel), sound even following the involved, on-screen scene location. Sound quality is naturally sourced based but basically very clear at extremely low volume.

So negatives for me is decline in brightness, though nowadays oled’s are so bright that this compensates for years of aging reduction. Also, hate the lag of the Android OS. Perhaps it’s better now? Support for natively installed streaming Apps has killed some services for me. Though that’s just developers nixing 4 yr old tech. Apple TV+ (awesome sound channels), followed by Netflix as a distant 2nd, have been great.
I know I’ve strayed and ended up writing a review of my 4 yr old TV now instead 🙂
 
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I‘ve added my bit about sound but more own experience on the tv front. I’ve owned a 65“ Sony A1 OLED for 4 yrs now. Viewing distance is 3m and resolution is fantastic to the point that even a larger oled would’ve been fine. The outdated LCD arguments of size vs distance irrelevant.
Screen has dimmed over the years, that’s noticeable. With pixel shift and refresh tech there’s no burn in.

In my building sound carries terribly to multiple apartments. So at Night I’ve the Avr off and have much clarity through the screen (multiple actuators vibrate behind the panel), sound even following the involved, on-screen scene location. Sound quality is naturally sourced based but basically very clear at extremely low volume.

So negatives for me is decline in brightness, though nowadays oled’s are so bright that this compensates for years of aging reduction. Also, hate the lag of the Android OS. Perhaps it’s better now? Support for natively installed streaming Apps has killed some services for me. Though that’s just developers nixing 4 yr old tech. Apple TV+ (awesome sound channels), followed by Netflix as a distant 2nd, have been great.
I know I’ve strayed and ended up writing a review of my 4 yr old TV now instead 🙂
So sounds like an OLED TV and Sonos. As long as everything supports arc my remote issues should be good. Maybe a trip to the Best Buy show room is in order. I really appreciate all the tips here. Thanks guys.
 
Late to the Party but here is my $0.02.
What size is the room that you want the system in and what else is in there? Think about the furniture and flooring (echos) Just how good is your hearing. I like Amazon because of their return policies so trying out a system and not liking it is easy to return. (be nice and keep the packaging for prompt returns)
Listening to a system in the store is NOT the same as in your home. If getting a Surround System with rear speakers and a Sub, think about wiring and power where they will be placed. With my OLD ears and a open room a $300 -$400 Vizio Sound Bar and 2 rear speakers + a Sub was the answer.
Good Luck.
 
Late to the Party but here is my $0.02.
What size is the room that you want the system in and what else is in there? Think about the furniture and flooring (echos) Just how good is your hearing. I like Amazon because of their return policies so trying out a system and not liking it is easy to return. (be nice and keep the packaging for prompt returns)
Listening to a system in the store is NOT the same as in your home. If getting a Surround System with rear speakers and a Sub, think about wiring and power where they will be placed. With my OLD ears and a open room a $300 -$400 Vizio Sound Bar and 2 rear speakers + a Sub was the answer.
Good Luck.
Honestly I don’t need a whole lot of performance, just something better than tv speakers. Primarily this will be used by my wife to watch jail shows and my kids to watch cartoons.
 
One more question about QLED vs. OLED...
I've heard a lot about OLED not being the best for rooms with a lot of ambient light. This TV is going in my family room with windows facing east. So there is ambient light but it's not bad, and by midday no light directly coming in at all. Should I be concerned about that or is OLED the way to go either way?
 
My Sony A80J OLED is close to a large sliding glass door. While I prefer to watch when it's darker the TV does just fine during the day and it plenty bright enough.
 
I think OLED would be ok. The kids will be watching cartoons in the morning (probably), but to your point, by midday your ambient light goes away, so that's good. Obviously the OLED TVs are going to be more expensive for the most part. I went through the same progression with the man cave in our house, and ended up with a QLED Hisense. Saved almost $1000 over a comparable OLED, and it's been phenomenal for what I need it to be (Nintendo Switch, and sporting events).

As far as the soundbar is concerned, this is my experience....

I had a Sonos Beam and sold it after just a few months. Airplay 2 was spotty at best, and my wife and kids could never get the hang of it. Even I (as a technology-as-a-career guy) struggled with its reliability. We had two IKEA Sonos rears installed, and they were even less reliable, cutting in and out almost every movie/TV show we watched, making our experience pretty miserable. Further, the only way to reliably control the sound was on the app, so you're digging out your phone all the time for small adjustments (like when you know an explosion is going to happen or whatever).

The worst of it all though... even when it was working ok, the room we had it in and the configuration in which we had it, it honestly sounded like a really loud $40 bluetooth speaker. Our family room is open to the kitchen on one side, basically like this:

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In my experience, soundbars especially must have walls to bounce sound off of and because our Kitchen was open to the left, the soundbar's left channel sound drifted into oblivion. Those sitting in the right corner couldn't really tell since we have a wall there, but the closer you sat to the kitchen, the worse the sound got. If the TV was hung on the far right wall, with the soundbar in the middle, it may have been just fine since there are walls, but that configuration doesn't work as well as the current, and we weren't keen on changing it.

With separate speakers, including Homepod's in a stereo pair (what we have currently), the sound is more direct towards the couch and the experience is MUCH better. Reliability has been nearly 100% as well.

So... I would strongly suggest taking your space into consideration as you make your purchase.
 
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I was going to recommend Sonos , but I’m not massively impressed by their stuff and if you look up trustpilot their reviews are shockingly bad

I wish I’d kept my mini HomePod set up tbh , sounded good plus I didn’t lose my E arc port on my Sony tv . More bad design on Sonos part …
 
Just had a friend want "simple" (so soundbar) but with actual "rears" so I helped them set up Sonos Arc plus 2 new 300s for the rears. Setup was easy and they are gushing about the sound- both video and audio only (music). Played some Apple Music service on it and that sounded great too. Threw some synched music to it from an iPhone and Airplay 2 works perfectly fine with Sonos. Since it's not walled garden, it also works just fine with everything else without having to lean on Airplay and, of course, any other video sources too (beyond AppleTV).

I still broadly recommended Receiver plus at least a true 5.1 surround sound setup (5 speakers- Left, Center, Right up front and 2 Rears) + a Sub. Go to the one-time trouble of getting speaker wires to where they need to be and then enjoy your true surround sound home theater system for the next 10-20 years before potentially anything needs to be updated. "Dumb" speakers can't be made obsolete by software. A Sub can crank bass far better than tiny little speaker or any soundbar alone. Anyone's ears can easily tell if rear sound is coming from behind you vs. the trickery approach of some bars or speakers up front trying to fake that.

But for those mentally committed to a soundbar and/or a bit more simplicity, that Arc + twin 300s for rears does an impressive job... and works with Apple seemingly just as well as HomePods (because the smarts are already in AppleTV, iDevices and Macs vs. being "burned into" the speakers). All 3 speakers need to be plugged into power, so you simply need to work out how to feed each some electricity in your placement of them. They can be set on anything, hung on walls or mounted on stands- whatever works.
 
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