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That’s interesting. Demanding Spotify integration is one of two primary reasons I chose Alexa over Siri for my smart home. That and Alexa is embarrassingly superior for day-to-day around the house uses. Side rant (I try to be a positive person I swear), the fact that we’ve added little more the cinema and sport integration to Siri logic since it’s inception is mind blowing.
I find Siri mostly adequate for controlling lights, and adding timers and reminders. I very much wish she had something more closely approaching Alexa’s comprehension. But when it comes down to it, I’m willing to let Siri listen to my living room, but I’m not willing to let either Alexa or Googgle Home listen to my living room - Apple has a clear funding model: “we will sell you very nice gear for fairly high prices”, and a strong motive to not be seen “spying” (since privacy is a big selling point with them - if they were caught collecting creepy information it would have serious financial consequences for them), while Amazon and Google have stronger motives pushing them towards being at least a little creepy, since their finding model is based on collecting information about me and/or selling things to me.

I’ve actually recently added a second thing listening to my living room - Sonos Voice Control. It largely sidesteps the creepiness debate by promising to never send the data off-device (all voice requests are processed locally).

I’m slightly astonished Siri isn’t better and more capable by now - I have a strong feeling the Apple Siri team has always been “swinging for the fences” - they refuse to give Siri any command syntax, they want her to be “just like talking to a real person”, but then she’ll make mistakes that would make you angry at a real person - she’ll sort of mostly process something and then head off confidently in the wrong direction, instead of saying she doesn’t understand or can’t handle that request.

Me: Hey Siri, how many lights are on?
Siri: 11 lights are on and 3 lights are off.
Me: Hey Siri, which lights are on?
Siri: 11 lights are on and 3 are off.

That second answer is bad. Either she doesn’t understand the question, or she (or the developers) can’t be bothered to answer it correctly. I’d be much happier if she honestly answered, “I don’t know how to answer that question”, rather than making herself look like an idiot. And just to add, Siri knows the names of all the lights, I can ask her to turn any light on/off by name - there’s nothing keeping her from listing out the names of the lights that are on - or just saying she can’t do that. It’s not a matter of listening and transcribing the speech - they do that really well. It’s that they’ve built this system that they’re determined to pass off as totally smart “just like a real person”, while they frantically try to backfill in the actual smarts.

It has all the hallmarks of a bad 80’s sitcom episode, where someone takes a job as an personal assistant where they don’t really know the language but they said they did in the interview, so they keep making mistakes. Hey Apple, instead of giving me an assistant that pretends to be human and is bad at it, how about one that has clearly defined syntax that maps directly to actions, and just tell me if I’ve given the command wrong, or you can’t process it.

Eh, at this pout I have a mental list of things I know I can ask Siri (set a timer, “remind me in an hour / tomorrow to do X”), and if I want music, I ask the Sonos system. It’s pretty good at getting that right (and though I have it hooked up to Apple Music, it’ll work with a bunch of services).
 
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It would be interesting to know why they discontinued the old one only to bring back a new one in what sounds like will be less than 2 years later.

I always thought the timing of the announcement was odd. They had just upgraded the software quite a bit, really improved the tv speaker functionality for example and the Mini just launched which was the perfect gateway drug. It felt like they pulled the plug way too early.

It makes me think there is more to the story then just we made a mistake to cancel it so soon so we're bringing it back.
There was a design flaw in the OG HomePod that Apple do not want to go public about.
 
I think Apple missed a trick by not allowing more devices to pair with the pods, I'd love to be able to use mine to connect to my TV, the only way I can do this is to buy apple tv.
 
I find Siri mostly adequate for controlling lights, and adding timers and reminders. I very much wish she had something more closely approaching Alexa’s comprehension. But when it comes down to it, I’m willing to let Siri listen to my living room, but I’m not willing to let either Alexa or Googgle Home listen to my living room - Apple has a clear funding model: “we will sell you very nice gear for fairly high prices”, and a strong motive to not be seen “spying” (since privacy is a big selling point with them - if they were caught collecting creepy information it would have serious financial consequences for them), while Amazon and Google have stronger motives pushing them towards being at least a little creepy, since their finding model is based on collecting information about me and/or selling things to me.

I’ve actually recently added a second thing listening to my living room - Sonos Voice Control. It largely sidesteps the creepiness debate by promising to never send the data off-device (all voice requests are processed locally).

I’m slightly astonished Siri isn’t better and more capable by now - I have a strong feeling the Apple Siri team has always been “swinging for the fences” - they refuse to give Siri any command syntax, they want her to be “just like talking to a real person”, but then she’ll make mistakes that would make you angry at a real person - she’ll sort of mostly process something and then head off confidently in the wrong direction, instead of saying she doesn’t understand or can’t handle that request.

Me: Hey Siri, how many lights are on?
Siri: 11 lights are on and 3 lights are off.
Me: Hey Siri, which lights are on?
Siri: 11 lights are on and 3 are off.

That second answer is bad. Either she doesn’t understand the question, or she (or the developers) can’t be bothered to answer it correctly. I’d be much happier if she honestly answered, “I don’t know how to answer that question”, rather than making herself look like an idiot. And just to add, Siri knows the names of all the lights, I can ask her to turn any light on/off by name - there’s nothing keeping her from listing out the names of the lights that are on - or just saying she can’t do that. It’s not a matter of listening and transcribing the speech - they do that really well. It’s that they’ve built this system that they’re determined to pass off as totally smart “just like a real person”, while they frantically try to backfill in the actual smarts.

It has all the hallmarks of a bad 80’s sitcom episode, where someone takes a job as an personal assistant where they don’t really know the language but they said they did in the interview, so they keep making mistakes. Hey Apple, instead of giving me an assistant that pretends to be human and is bad at it, how about one that has clearly defined syntax that maps directly to actions, and just tell me if I’ve given the command wrong, or you can’t process it.

Eh, at this pout I have a mental list of things I know I can ask Siri (set a timer, “remind me in an hour / tomorrow to do X”), and if I want music, I ask the Sonos system. It’s pretty good at getting that right (and though I have it hooked up to Apple Music, it’ll work with a bunch of services).
Why would you trust Apple and not Amazon? They both listen, they both record and then both companies pass on to their own people as well as people they contract out to judge all sorts of things with those recordings. And that is just what they tell us. I have Amazon throughout my house, I like their system and as you mentioned Siri is severely lacking compared to Alexa. I live alone so they are not garnishing much info from me and I have never ever had a targeted add hit me based on what I have been talking about when I have people over. Apple is no saint, they don't really care about our privacy, only that they are the only ones who have access to it. Apple is just like the rest and would not be a company you should trust over any other company.
 
I think your expectations are far too high. A speaker alone is a far less sophisticated device, the HomePod has a lot of additional electronics that just won't last as long.
I do not agree. Though I understand your reasoning, your arguments are a bad excuse for throw away economies. There is *no excuse* to design a product that lasts briefly. Apple should not discontinu sales/support in a few years for a speaker just to replace it with a similar or lesser model, no matter how 'smart' it is. This is all just marketing driven to make consumers buy again, and again and again. It is not rocket science, not even for a 'smart' speaker. They could (and should) easily last for a decade, if not more.
 
I do not agree. Though I understand your reasoning, your arguments are a bad excuse for throw away economies. There is *no excuse* to design a product that lasts briefly. Apple should not discontinu sales/support in a few years for a speaker just to replace it with a similar or lesser model, no matter how 'smart' it is. This is all just marketing driven to make consumers buy again, and again and again. It is not rocket science, not even for a 'smart' speaker. They could (and should) easily last for a decade, if not more.
I don't think you fully grasp how sophisticated the HomePod actually is. You can't compare it to something as electrically simple as a traditional speaker and expect a comparable lifespan, it's just not how things work.

It has eight drivers, seven microphones, an LED display, a touch surface, multiple wireless radios, and an integrated power supply, all being driven by a powerful internet-connected SOC. It is an incredibly sophisticated bit of electrical equipment, and unfortunately sophistication goes hand-in-hand with chance / likelihood of failure. The sophistication is justified because it provides a very high quality user experience. Sure, they could warranty it for ten years, but then the price would likely go much higher reducing sale volume by locking out more consumers.

Apple has discontinued the original HomePod, bit it is still being fully supported with software updates and active services. Nobody is forcing you to replace your HomePods if you have them.

The throw-away nature of our lives is definitely a thing, but you don't have to buy into it. Buy quality electronics, avoid garbage from places like Amazon, look after your stuff, and I'm sure your kit will last a good while. If Apple gear I've purchased is anything to go by, I'm sure HomePods will easily last the decade mark, hopefully longer, but it's not something I have an expectation for.
 
So happy. The OG HomePod absolutely slaps. Many friends have gone out and bought their own after hearing how good mine sounds, even after discontinued. The mini is good for the masses, but I'm not as interested in Apple's version of an echo dot. The real selling point was the room-filling audio quality.
 
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