Here's a story on how lawmakers react if they themselves become surveillance targets:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/30/lawmakers-privacy-nsa-congress
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New York Bill Would Force Apple and Other Manufacturers to Decrypt Smartphones
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/30/lawmakers-privacy-nsa-congress
You don't care about how the laws work in America? New York State is in America.
This law, will effect people in America.
Sure we're ass backwards on a lot of things (EMV, not using the metric system, driving on the wrong side of the road, etc), but that doesn't make you any more right in this particular discussion.
Can't you just have a debate with someone like a mature adult individual?
Okay. In for a sheep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendment
Your move. And make it a good one, otherwise, you'll be feigning ignorance yourself, which would be the pot calling the kettle black.
If you don't know how our civic process works, and want to argue semantics, this thread isn't for you. I'd suggest not participating, but even this is ad hominem for you.
BL.
What he apparently doesn't realize is that the amendments being discussed have been in place for over a quarter of a millennium and also would require 3/4th of the states to ratify changes.
That's not happening.
An amendment is a formal or official change made to a law, contract, constitution, or other legal document. It is based on the verbto amend, which means to change. Amendments can add, remove, or update parts of these agreements. They are often used when it is better to change the document than to write a new one.[1]
aha. there we go. good job buddy. now i think you're amendment needs and will be updated because it's currently outdated for present day. if you think otherwise you need help.
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ok then you can continue bitching about the FBI/police not doing enough to stop terror.
makes sense right?
the thing with current laws are that if special intelligence finds any information to suggest a person is involved in criminal activity, they're really limited with what they can do further.
And this has what relevance to this thread, outside your rambling about how ignorant Americans are? Which once again, you show naivety about our entire civics process?
BL.
Nope. You don't know what you're talking about. I've made thousands of posts in the decade I've been on macrumors and not a single damn one was bitching about the "police not doing enough to stop terror".
I value my privacy and our constitution. I would rather die than give up those rights.
Not true. There are plenty of things they can do. But putting the personal data of people who have not committed a crime is not one of them.
The NRA is a terrorist organization. We don't need their input on this. This is really a 5A issue according the EFF. If citizens aren't required to turn off incriminating evidence about themselves, then why should manufacturers like Apple be responsible?
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If this passes, it will be another dumb *** political move that sounds good in the media, but which won't change security at all but erode the majority of citizens' rights. These politicians are idiots to think they can control encryption.
Here's what will happen if this passes...
Average citizen - doesn't know what encryption is, nor that anything on their phone is encrypted, and won't know or care that they can now easily be snooped on when they couldn't be before. They probably assumed the government could already do that because they watch lots of crime drama TV where the law enforcement folks can crack anything in about 2 seconds.
Criminal/terrorist - they will simply install one of the many encryption algorithms that don't have backdoors, and go about their criminal escapades.
Politicians - will gloat, take credit for making our country safer, and will form a new agency to oversee their newfound access to private data, and raise taxes somewhere to pay for it.
Here's what will happen if this passes...
Average citizen - doesn't know what encryption is, nor that anything on their phone is encrypted, and won't know or care that they can now easily be snooped on when they couldn't be before. They probably assumed the government could already do that because they watch lots of crime drama TV where the law enforcement folks can crack anything in about 2 seconds.
Criminal/terrorist - they will simply install one of the many encryption algorithms that don't have backdoors, and go about their criminal escapades.
Politicians - will gloat, take credit for making our country safer, and will form a new agency to oversee their newfound access to private data, and raise taxes somewhere to pay for it.
While I disagree that it is a 2a issue saying the NRA is a terrorist organization is about one of the dumbest things I've ever read. We don't need their input because it's not related to arms in the way they define it and pursue second amendment rights not because they are a terrorist organization. Really? Just stupid. And I'm not even an NRA member.
even if they have a convicted terrorist, they cannot access his/her phone because apple doesn't even have access to it.
do you think that's okay? i don't. we could potentially find more information and get to the root cause of the entire situation, but with the current scenario, we can't.
And for that one terrorist (probably a small fish) millions of people are supposed to open up their encryption to misuse by criminals?
You can't be serious! Before smart phones we couldn't either.
If any hack is possible it will be found, as the continuing jailbreak releases prove.
As for the root try again, as there is no root.
There are countless people who can't think clearly coming every day to kill themselves and meet the 60 promised virgins in heaven.
Again, I refer you to post #70:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rypt-smartphones.1950365/page-3#post-22465020
The courts in the US have determined that cryptography and encryption are munitions (arms), and are pursuant to the rights granted to the people under the 2A of the Constitution.
This just doesn't apply only to iPhones. This applies to any product or program that uses encryption. Browsers are included. email clients are included. fax machines are included Anything that has a means of gathering entropy for use for encryption is included with this.
Would you like the government to have a back door to your bank/debit card? with the EMV rollout currently going on, each swipe and use of the chip i your newly-issued credit card is encrypted.
Not to date myself, but I was around and fairly involved with and using PGP during the whole Zimmermann debacle. This is just a repeat of that issue, but 25 years later.
That same EFF back in 1996 supported Philip Zimmermann in regards to the use and publishing of the source code used in many encryption processes today (PGP, GnuPG, etc.), as well as supported Daniel Bernstein in his case against the United States concerning munitions export. As mentioned before, since they were considered arms, they were pursuant to the 2A.
My point about the NRA is that if they are so strung up on 2A rights, and that the 2A just doesn't mean guns, they should be supportive of all exercises and uses of the 2A. To date, they've only considered tangible arms (read: guns). Yet they are silent on this; perhaps due to their naivety?
BL.
It's okay with me. That's a trade off I'm not willing to make. The security of my personal data, financial data, identity, etc. is more important to me. I shouldn't have to sacrifice that for "potentially finding more information." Freedom is more important.
Also, my career is more important, and since a govt mandated security flaw in something like RSA would cripple the global competitiveness of America's tech industry, it's really not something I'm willing to concede.
Besides, terrorists will just use other secure methods of communication, so its moot anyways. Not like we can force ISIS to use iPhones.
They are silent because they know NYS is a lost cause. They were even silent on the safeact.
Shame this rule was not in place to help catch the Paris bombers.....oh no wait a minute they were using un-encrypted SMSs for communicating as are many of the other terrorists.ie it's a bit of a mute point
No joke! Look at CA and NY (in addition to a handful of other states) - they managed to ban STANDARD capacity magazines for handguns. Manufactures had to redesign a reduced capacity magazine to sell in those states. (reduced capacity magazines that held only 10 rounds instead of the standard 15-17 rounds.)
But I'm sure its easier to redesign and repackage a magazine for a few states vs revamping an entire ecosystem used by millions of devices.
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Maybe. But I think they are already struggling to uphold the constitution just defending our gun rights... And in their defense, their name is the "National Rifle Association", not the "National 2nd Amendment Defenders Association".
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