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WTF is wrong with some people.

Have you given any thought to how this actually works? Put simply, any brand that sells via the Apple website will toe the line in enabling Apple to facilitate repairs. They do this for every other retailer in the country and are ready and able to do the same for Apple.

To answer one of the other points raised, reasonable availability of spare parts does not necessarily mean the parts have to be pre-imported.
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New Zealand and Apple have a funny relationship. The original iPhone 4 release was handled so unbelievably badly they removed us from the list of 'first' countries to receive new iPhones for a few years.

That was Vodafone, which still adds all sorts of crap to Android and doesn’t pass on Android updates, arguing that they have to test them first (viz. add all sorts of crap and try to sell more new phones).
 
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Apple should just withdraw from NZ if it becomes too much of an issue. Their Gov can explain


That’s not good. That means a giant company like Nikon gets away with poor quality while mom and pop needs to become engineers to figure out if every single product in their family shop is good or not and how to repair them. That’s insane
The consumer law is similar in the UK. The retailer you buy a product from is responsible for the goods they sell. If a product fails under warranty, they have to deal with getting your item repaired or replaced or giving you a refund - whatever is applicable. How does that not make sense?
If you want to make money from customers, handle any issues.

The retailer themselves normally wouldn't keep spare parts etc.
I was concerned a few years ago when we bought a console from Tesco and they informed us at the payment desk that any issues would be handled by Sony. The console did fail under warranty and Sony sent a courier to our house to collect item and return a new one. Quite painless.
 
I still can’t get over the fact that Apple can tell retailers how high to price their products, eliminating the free market.
 
How in God’s name can Apple warranty another company’s stuff??????? That part makes less than zero sense. That is functionally retarded
[doublepost=1527647891][/doublepost]So any retail store in New Zealand is responsible for fixing the products they sell???

It's the same in Europe, at least in Germany - and this is how it should be. If you sell it, you have to give support and warranty. You don't like that rule? Then you shouldn't be in retail.
 
I'd pull out of that place all together. You'll lose, what, 15 sales per year? Not even worth it.
If you read the rest of the posts in this thread you may get to understand how it works. All it means is that the customer returns the faulty goods back to the retailer, who in turn arranges for the manufacturer (or importer) to fix or replace the product. It works exactly the same in the UK and many other countries adopt similar consumer protection laws.
 
No. You have to replace the product or send it back to the supplier on the customer's behalf (which of these you do is up to you). You definitely don't need to repair it yourself!



I should point out that this is not a new law; it's been around for ~25 years (well before Apple even started selling directly in NZ in the first place). I don't see Apple pulling out of the country due to a "make sure you follow the law" notice (and it is that, a warning/reminder notice, not an actual fine or enforcement order).

That makes a bit more sense. Ultimately Apple is not responsible for anything other than sending it back to the manufacturer, who by that very same law is required to fix it. In other words there is no cost to Apple (other than insignificant time to handle the product).
 
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In Australia, phone warranty must equal length of phone contract as a minimum, so 2yrs. ie: the phone should last the length of the contract. Factor in price/quality allowance,and an iPhone X would conceivably have 4yr warranty.
 
Apple should only be liable for products carrying the Apple logo. The macs, phones, tablets, watches, ATVs and their corresponding 1st party accessories. Nothing else.

Apple offers 3rd party products for our convenience. Unless you buy a warranty from a retailer such as Best Buy, after a reasonable amount of time they simply are no longer responsible if something is defective. Nearly every retailer will tell you go contact the manufacturer. Now in the case of expensive products (think 4 digits and more), it is likely that the retailer will accommodate you since you are a valuable customer but this is largely on a case by case basis.
Walmart, Costco and a few other retailers will arrange for warranty service for you and really thats the way it should be, they should be handling all of the shipping, talking with the manufacturers, etc.
 
I am of course in favor of companies standing by their products but they’re just looking for Apple to say the hell with it and stop selling 3rd party stuff in their stores.

Hardly. Apple will simply make sure that its third party products are backed up by their makers, leaving little or no expense for Apple in case of warranty work. No doubt this is already in place.

I find Apple’s warranty in the U.S. more than reasonable for electronics. 1 year included with a total of 3 years with AppleCare. This is on top of a 14 day return window without any restocking fees.

Good for you. Other countries have much better protection for consumers.

Also, many people / countries do not find some of Apple's policies to be reasonable. Such as getting a used refurb in exchange for a faulty product bought new.

There are a truckload of other companies whose warranties are effectively good for nothing like the typically 90 day warranties on most consumer electronics. Why aren’t they going after those companies?

Who says they're not?
 
The mom and pop shop don't have to repair the product - they send it back to Nikon. They don't need to engineer anything. Furthermore, no-one is forcing a shop to stock a particular product - if the company has a reputation for poor quality, the shop shouldn't sell their products.
Again, the only way a shop owner will know if something is well made or not is to become an engineer. There’s no way around that faulty logic
 
Again, the only way a shop owner will know if something is well made or not is to become an engineer. There’s no way around that faulty logic
Given what was mentioned it seems like it was in reference to the sellers Gavin information about products they sell based on indirstry reviews and reputation of products and companies they deal with. In any case, even if they do carry a product that turns out to be a lemon in some way, so to say, they would simply need to assist getting it back to the manufacturer for a resolution of some sort, and perhaps go after some sort of compensation from the manufacturer themselves for providing them with a shoddy product. Doesn't seem like that has to do with engineering in any way.
 
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Regarding Apple being responsible for products they sell but are made by others, here in NZ the retailer is responsible for making sure the problem is dealt with, redirecting to the manufacturer is fine, but the retailer is required to be able to handle it, if the customer prefers it.

Not the only place in the world this happens, in the Netherlands too and most likely most countries in Europe.

As always with the states, they think the system is ok there, guess what, it's not.
If I buy a €3000 MBP it should work for a minimum of 5 years and likely even more, a €200 laptop should last a minimum of 12 months.
 
Again, the only way a shop owner will know if something is well made or not is to become an engineer. There’s no way around that faulty logic

********. If they had ANY interest in the products they sell, they would know which brands have a good record and which don't. They will know what competitors stock, etc etc etc. If you think a store owner is such a moron that they would not know this, they won't be in business for long.
 
Same way here in Europe, the retailer and not the manufacturer has to do all the handling of a faulty product. I am amazed that its not that way in the US... But then hey you guys are all against government helping the little guys and for a (in theory) free market (which in reality is actually an anti consumer market if there is zero regulation).
 
Our governments have traditionally been quite reasonable and in general have been elected by the people, for the people.
We may argue with them, we may dislike policies, hell one of our MPs was hit in the face with a dildo (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11585275) , the perpetrator was not shot, put in prison for life or any of the extremism the USA suffers from.

However, if there was a war of words Apple vs the government, Apple would LOOSE BIG TIME.
For a start the government would bring up how Apple financially operates out of Australia and therefore pays ZERO taxes on their multi billions worth of business in NZ......

I’m going to add you to my favorite people’s list.

Although I should also point out we tend to get charged a lot more to buy locally so I think these laws help push the notion of buying local whenever possible.
 
If you read the rest of the posts in this thread you may get to understand how it works. All it means is that the customer returns the faulty goods back to the retailer, who in turn arranges for the manufacturer (or importer) to fix or replace the product. It works exactly the same in the UK and many other countries adopt similar consumer protection laws.
Walmart, Costco and a few other retailers will arrange for warranty service for you and really thats the way it should be, they should be handling all of the shipping, talking with the manufacturers, etc.
Retailers are still expected to act as the liaison between the consumer and the manufacturer in some other countries, which is what it used to be like here in the US also, if a retailer sold something to you, you would go to that retailer if something went wrong with it, in fact, there didn't used to be a way to contact the manufacturer directly, so you had to go to the retailer you bought it from, they were the only ones that dealt directly with the manufacturers.

I recall this being the norm in the US when I was younger, not sure what laws got changed, but, I recall a TV show called "Fight Back" or something like that where they stood up for the consumer and truth in advertising and such, it was probably that period of time where things began to change (1980s?).

I just remember taking something in to be serviced where I bought it from, as being normal here in the US, (like what Costco does).

Maybe it was the 1990s where I began to be told that the manufacturer was responsible for handling the warranty, and now, for some time, you get the card in the product that states NOT to go where you bought the item from if something is missing or gone wrong, but, to go directly to the manufacturer with contact information on there. This is how the transition went to where now, here in the US, we buy a "brand" from various stores or online and expect that we'll have to deal with that "brand" if there are any issues, and not be able to go back to the store (after a 7-90 day return policy on that store/place you bought it from (usually 14-30 days max.)), and the store will only take it back or exchange it for same item, they rarely give you the single part that might be missing, and then they also added the possibility of a "restocking fee", which I don't recall in the '80s either. Of course, buying online this might make more sense, and now you can buy directly from the manufacturer, so, that's something that didn't exist in the '80s, so, that's also part of it.

Consumerism in the US has become all about the "brand", not the product, and certainly not the consumer, and large retailers fought to not be made responsible in any way whatsoever, (now they only have a very limited return policy), this is not necessarily so in other countries.
 
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