Newsstand Publications Can Update Only Once Per Day

[Meriana]

I think Apple is just assuming that you won't need the news stand app to get breaking news and that if you have a need to allways stay up2date you'll have a a 3G capable device. The app is designed for magazin and daily news papers, not as a replacement for something like the newyorktimes.com landing page. And keep in mind, it's intented for subscriptions, and Apple probably rightly assumes that people won't buy for just breaking news which they can get on every better news site for free, they'll pay for reports, background informations and articles about topics they're interested in. Nothing which requires an update every few minutes.

I think the main reason is to keep the load on the carriers network as low as possible.

 

[DeaconGTG]

When you go to the New York Times website, do you see the news that was published at 11PM the night before?

Improper comparison, seeing that loading the New York Times website is a manual update.

 

[mazz0]

Since we're talking about digital stories, often assembled from content already on websites, the concept of "editions" is now somewhat arbitrary. One of the problems I have with printed newspapers is that I've already read half the articles online the day before - do we want to have the same problem in the digital version?

In a digital landscape what's to stop you having a morning and an evening edition (one to read on the way to work and one on the way back)? Or perhaps a morning, a lunch time and an evening edition? Or hourly editions? My point is, you can, digitally, publish an edition as often as you like; the daily restrction is abitrary. I'd like the frequency to be optional so I can say how many times per day I'd like to receive new editions.

Not to worry though, I doubt many apps are going to use Newsstand anyway, which is a shame because apart from this it looks nice.

 

[IzzyBorden]

It's not smart, it's dumb. I want the most up-to-date news, always. As soon as I turn the thing on.

If there is an option to force fewer updates (like setting email to retrieve every 30 or 60 minutes, as opposed to push), that's great, but the whole idea of the iPad is to have everything at your fingertips -- not 6 hours ago news at your fingertips.

Wow, for a Macrumors editor you certainly didn't do your research.

I think you are confusing Newstand with something like an RSS Feed/Reader. Watch the WWDC Keynote again; they make it VERY clear that Newstand is for those daily/weekly/monthly magazine and newspaper subscriptions; to make it easy for you to say, if you have a subscription to New York Times, when you go to bed at night, the newest daily edition of that NYT will be on your iPad when you wake up in the morning.

This is how it's supposed to be. It is NOT a RSS up-to-the-minute news reader. It's for subscriptions! Again, If you subscribe to Wired Magazine, you'll only get it once a month (because, you know, Wired is only published ONCE A MONTH!)

When you go to the New York Times website, do you see the news that was published at 11PM the night before?

How about we use the technology in new and fancy ways, rather than going backwards to the way they did it before?

Why would you have an iPad at all when you can just get the paper delivered to your home AND have something to wrap your fish in?

Ok, you are really missing the point (which is pretty amateurish for someone who is supposed to be an editor of a respected site like Macrumors; do your research!)

There are plenty of apps for up-to-the-minute news gathering, especially for the iPad (Flipboard, Pulse, etc.) that is NOT what Newstand was supposed to be.

Again, have you seen the Wired Magazine app? For $3.99 an issue, it is a way to subscribe to the digital version of their monthly magazine; but with interactive content. But it is published once a month. I just got the October issue delivered to me, but I had to get it manually. Now with Newstand, my Wired magazine subscription will be placed on the "Newstand" and I won't have to do anything as each month my issue of Wired will be automatically delivered, along with my issue of Spin magazine and the Daily, etc.

Newstand is not an up to the minute news reader, it is like the physical "Newstands" you see at the street corner in the city; with the hundreds of monthly magazines and daily newspapers from around the world sitting on the shelves... in other words, The Newsstand app is meant to simply collect all of your daily/weekly/monthly magazine and newspaper subscriptions. That's all.

How are you not understanding this working for Macrumors? Where's Arn...

 

[WestonHarvey1]

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One of the nicest things about the iPad is the standby battery life. Sometimes I go for a couple weeks without having to charge it. If Newstand starts updating in the background constantly, that's the end of that feature.

 

[wovel]

Wow so many people just don't understand this article.

 

[IzzyBorden]

Wow so many people just don't understand this article.

Could you maybe clarify in case I missed something? Because as I read it, crack reporter from Macrumors alerted us that Newstand will ONLY be able to push updates once a day! OMGZ! Even though we all already knew this if any of you watched the WWDC Keynote where Steve Jobs actually stated this very clearly. Not news.

I don't mean to come on so harsh, but this is just really sloppy reporting trying to make it sound like this is a newly discovered problem when this is what was intended by Newstand all along and revealed months ago. Sorry if I am missing anything else.

 

[foobarbaz]

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One of the nicest things about the iPad is the standby battery life. Sometimes I go for a couple weeks without having to charge it. If Newstand starts updating in the background constantly, that's the end of that feature.

Exactly. The feature is essentially for downloading large magazines over night, when you're connected to a power source.

If it were downloading "breaking news", it would be downloading all the time and you probably even be reading most of it. If you want breaking news, you can get a push notification and just fetch the article on demand. No need to download 300MB of permanently updating articles per day.

 

[rmwebs]

Seems like a bit of a dirty hack to get this working, using push notifications which are designed for plaintext but effectively hacking in support for larger data chunks...hmm...how long before that gets exploited!!

 

[jhoffy]

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Isn't a newspaper that updates several times a day called a "web page?"

Check out CNN.com for example.

 

[The Phazer]

This is still a pretty poor relation to a background downloading api that has scheduling.

The iPhone needs to be able to understand when it's plugged in overnight, and if then connected to wifi, needs to be pulling down everything.

But not just for magazines, for lots of apps. This is a step down the wrong direction.

Phazer

 

[ratboy90]

They can only print their magazines once a day, so how is this any different. If they want up to the minute then this outlet isn't for them.. it's pretty simple.

the difference is that we're not stuck in the 1960s where this was the only way the do things. Now newspapers can update their front pages if an important story breaks during the day. Newspapers and their readership want this.

 

[DeaconGTG]

the difference is that we're not stuck in the 1960s where this was the only way the do things. Now newspapers can update their front pages if an important story breaks during the day. Newspapers and their readership want this.

This opinion right here is what I can't understand. Why so much hate for the traditional format? Why can't we have both?

My job, at least 3 out of the 5 days of the work week, keeps me from checking the news sites on a periodic basis (obviously today is not one of those days). And when I get home at night (between 7 and 8 pm) I'm not always inclined to catch up on everything (maybe watch Olbermann or Maddow for a few minutes), but then its on to more relaxing activities. And during the weekend? I tend to b outdoors, away from the news outlets.

So the traditional, newspaper-landing-on-your-doorstep format is great for me. Though to save on paper and hassle, a digital format works even better. I'll typically read through the New York Times between 6 and 8 am on my Kindle. This way I can catch up on all that I missed the day before. I don't have to be worried that something I intended to read after I got through with a different article has been pushed to the archives because the web editors, in an effort to continuously chug out stories, has posted some inane story on the first lady's schedule for the day or what one of the Kardashians said on the Today show. I'm also not terrified I'm missing breaking news, because the NYT app on my iPad is pushing breaking news alerts to me.

In addition, I don't get a lot of value out of up-to-the minute "breaking news" text stories anyway. The first post that goes up about the event (ex: Bin Laden dead) has value, but then it begins of long slog of almost meaningless updates asthe news outlets scramble to collect all the facts and put together the story. I'd much prefer to turn on the TV (or streaming video) after the first alert and get the story, and then read the text story when it's finished the next day (plus whatever well thought out editorial or column that goes with it).

So yeah, sorry folks. As much as up-to-the-minute-everything is the future (and believe me, I know, I'm a twitter addict), there is still value in the daily (and weekly, and monthly) periodical. It's just taking on a new role, not as the primary place for breaking news, but for the capsulation of all that occurred the day before. And there's no reason why there can't be room for both. So for those who need everything always up-to-date, ignore newstand and stick with your NYT/CNN/Fox News/etc apps (as far as I know they are not going away). I'll be cancelling my kindle subscriptions and moving to the newstand.

 

[kiljoy616]

Oh come on MR, this is a complete non-issue you're trying to peddle as the next big controversy.

Apple is positioning Newsstand as an easy way for traditional print publications to be digitally supplied; you are literally reading the print magazine on an iPad. This requires a hefty amount of information transfer in one go and so it's logical to allow Newsstand to auto-download an edition by itself. This happens once and once only for each edition of the publication.

If however you want to receive up-to-the-minute information, that needs a dedicated app; Newsstand is not, and should not, be the place, for that. Now, if the traditional app frameworks don't provide for the kind of push notifications you want to achieve, that's a separate issue altogether; don't try to put the round peg in the square hole by wanting to use Newsstand for something it shouldn't be used for.

Its not a non issue, there is no technical reason fangirl for this. I can see them limiting it to say 3 a day just because its Apple but 1 a day means you get the newspaper once and your done. No updates at all. I Don't see this standing considering the money Apple will be making off this.

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This opinion right here is what I can't understand. Why so much hate for the traditional format? Why can't we have both?

My job, at least 3 out of the 5 days of the work week, keeps me from checking the news sites on a periodic basis (obviously today is not one of those days). And when I get home at night (between 7 and 8 pm) I'm not always inclined to catch up on everything (maybe watch Olbermann or Maddow for a few minutes), but then its on to more relaxing activities. And during the weekend? I tend to b outdoors, away from the news outlets.

So the traditional, newspaper-landing-on-your-doorstep format is great for me.

Because it be nice to have less trees been cut down to feed your old person desires. Personally I can't wait for the old ways of doing things to go. Now we just need for companies to actually take the time and money... not you HP, and create things that mimic or really compete with Apple but I doubt that will happen.

 

[DeaconGTG]

Because it be nice to have less trees been cut down to feed your old person desires.

::Sigh:: Looks like someone has some reading comprehension issues.

So the traditional, newspaper-landing-on-your-doorstep format is great for me. Though to save on paper and hassle, a digital format works even better.

Haven't subscribed to a physical paper in years. I get them all on my Kindle. And for the record, I'm 28. Not really old. Just busy, and it's nice to have a daily periodical that shows me what I missed the day before.

Let's just stop freaking out and thinking that Newstand is going to take away our RSS feeds, our news apps, and our women and children. Newstand is for traditional publishers to sell their traditional product in a convenient location. I actually like the idea of increasing the limit to 2-3 times a day (after all, newspapers used to print a late edition) but constant push is better suited for other apps.

 

[ratboy90]

This opinion right here is what I can't understand. Why so much hate for the traditional format? Why can't we have both?

My job, at least 3 out of the 5 days of the work week, keeps me from checking the news sites on a periodic basis (obviously today is not one of those days). And when I get home at night (between 7 and 8 pm) I'm not always inclined to catch up on everything (maybe watch Olbermann or Maddow for a few minutes), but then its on to more relaxing activities. And during the weekend? I tend to b outdoors, away from the news outlets.

So the traditional, newspaper-landing-on-your-doorstep format is great for me. Though to save on paper and hassle, a digital format works even better. I'll typically read through the New York Times between 6 and 8 am on my Kindle. This way I can catch up on all that I missed the day before. I don't have to be worried that something I intended to read after I got through with a different article has been pushed to the archives because the web editors, in an effort to continuously chug out stories, has posted some inane story on the first lady's schedule for the day or what one of the Kardashians said on the Today show. I'm also not terrified I'm missing breaking news, because the NYT app on my iPad is pushing breaking news alerts to me.

In addition, I don't get a lot of value out of up-to-the minute "breaking news" text stories anyway. The first post that goes up about the event (ex: Bin Laden dead) has value, but then it begins of long slog of almost meaningless updates asthe news outlets scramble to collect all the facts and put together the story. I'd much prefer to turn on the TV (or streaming video) after the first alert and get the story, and then read the text story when it's finished the next day (plus whatever well thought out editorial or column that goes with it).

So yeah, sorry folks. As much as up-to-the-minute-everything is the future (and believe me, I know, I'm a twitter addict), there is still value in the daily (and weekly, and monthly) periodical. It's just taking on a new role, not as the primary place for breaking news, but for the capsulation of all that occurred the day before. And there's no reason why there can't be room for both. So for those who need everything always up-to-date, ignore newstand and stick with your NYT/CNN/Fox News/etc apps (as far as I know they are not going away). I'll be cancelling my kindle subscriptions and moving to the newstand.

Of course we can have both. Those who don't want it updated just stick to the paper editions. But those who do want it updated can use an iPad/tablet which is almost constantly connected to the internet. There's no reason they can't co-exist. But, in my opinion, it's pointless to have the same system on two different platforms.

 

[DeaconGTG]

Of course we can have both. Those who don't want it updated just stick to the paper editions. But those who do want it updated can use an iPad/tablet which is almost constantly connected to the internet. There's no reason they can't co-exist. But, in my opinion, it's pointless to have the same system on two different platforms.

On my ipad/ipod I can listen to music stored locally or I can stream it from Pandora/Spotify/etc.

You're right, I should just delete all the MP3 versions of my old CDs that I still have stored away. Pointless to have the same system on two different platforms, right?

 

[scleynen]

Once every24 hours is not workable

Given, there was today a technical problem and you couldn't push before 6' o clock in the morning.

Tomorrow everything is back to normal and ready to push at 2'o clock. This won't be possible because there is no 24 hours between the two times. So one technical error means, pushing later every day, or don't push one day.

So how do you solve this?