Newstand - Opinions? Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'iOS 5 and earlier' started by S1njin, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. S1njin macrumors 6502a


    May 3, 2010
    Hey Gang,

    Okay, so for me aside from notifications I was REALLY looking forward to the Newstand app. This is what I've gleaned from the forums so far:

    A. Its basically a folder for your separate dedicated magazine/newspaper apps
    B. It doesn't seem to auto-update your content

    So, assuming A & B are correct, what's the point? What am I missing? Is it worth leaving Zinio? I can't see the value.

    Thanks in advance.
  2. TheSuperSteve macrumors 6502

    Jul 4, 2011
    Puerto Rico
    I dont see much point in it either. All the newsstand papers seem to have expensive subscriptions even though in the end, you can find the same information on Flipboard, Zite or Pulse News for free. I dont see myself using it for that reason. The expensive subscriptions.

    I only have The New York Times because their Top News section is free. So far its the only newsstand paper that's worth having for me.
  3. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
    Actually, it's considerably worse than "a folder for your dedicated magazine/newspaper apps."

    You cannot choose which apps to place in Newsstand. If a publisher has made a deal with Apple, a subscription or purchase automatically goes in "Newsstand." (e.g. New Yorker, New York Times.) If the publisher hasn't made such a deal you cannot put it in Newsstand, (e.g. Washington Post, AP News.)

    So now I have two "News" folders. One for the apps I choose that are not affiliated with Newsstand (BBC News, Flipboard, etc.) and one that has captured my paid subscription to the New Yorker. Can't move it out of Newsstand. Can't delete Newsstand even if it's empty.

    Finally, the so-called "Free" apps for various magazines in Newsstand aren't actually "free." They're simply holders for in-app purchases.

    All in all, it's a cheesy, intrusive feature akin to an informercial and a badly functioning one at that.
  4. S1njin thread starter macrumors 6502a


    May 3, 2010
    Not exactly a ringing endorsement from either of you. I had high hopes for this app.
  5. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
  6. Macman45 macrumors G5


    Jul 29, 2011
    Somewhere Back In The Long Ago
    I'm Undecided

    Most titles are US based. There are a couple of things I'd take a look at from time to time, but there are other far more useful features in the new OS.
  7. S1njin thread starter macrumors 6502a


    May 3, 2010
    Sounds like I'm sticking w/ Zinio for my magazines. They just patched WSJ, so I'm going to D/L one issue on Sunday to see how I like it. And that'll be it. Zinio for Mags, and WSJ for my newspaper.
  8. mrleee3 macrumors newbie

    Jul 27, 2008
    From the UK and have subscribed to Guardian and Metro, have to say quite like the automatic download feature. Works well for me, wake up in the morning and the new edition of the paper already downloaded, ready to go. Would like other papers to update. Usually read The Times, only tried Guardian because of free trial. Also like the fact all subscriptions are in one folder although granted you could make that yourself.
  9. Drag'nGT macrumors 68000


    Sep 20, 2008
    If I could get the magazines I'm already subscribed to through Newsstand then I'd love it. But I get my subscriptions from discountmag so I'll probably never see 2yrs of Popular Photography for $8 through the app store. :(

    Or the company could let us have access to the digital version if we already get the print one! Yeah, that'll happen. :rolleyes:
  10. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
    I'm curious. For those that find this app useful, is it the case that you already had a subscription to a particular periodical or that you were unaware you could have such a subscription until Newsstand came along?

    In my case I already had subscriptions to both the New Yorker and the New York Times. The "value added" by Newsstand is less than zero. I used to be able to access both of these periodicals directly. Now I must access them through "Newsstand." And if I switch to another app, I can no longer return directly to the periodical I was reading. Instead, I must access it by going through Newsstand again.

    This is similar to the behavior of iBooks but the difference is that I frequently read multiple news sources more or less simultaneously, comparing the news coverage of, say, the Washington Post, New York Times, and BBC News in reference to a particular event. Although I can switch between the WP and BBC, I can no longer get to the NY Times without taking an extra step of opening to Newsstand and re-opening the Times.

    What exactly do I gain by having Apple decide which news apps go into Newsstand and which cannot be placed there? How do I benefit from having to go through an extra step to switch between news sources?
  11. danrees macrumors member

    Feb 24, 2011
    London, United Kingdom
    I am a Brit living in the US and already had the digital subscription for the NY Times and the iPad app. Newsstand does not really change this other than it updates the NY Times app each morning which is very welcome.

    The new Guardian iPad app (designed exclusively for Newsstand) is absolutely stunning. Of course the app could be provided outside of Newsstand with the only Newsstand feature really being the auto-update each morning.

    On the other hand, the FT has rejected Apple's subscription model and has moved towards a HTML 5 web-app. This is not capable of being included in Newsstand.

    It will be interesting to see if in the long term FT and similar publishers will revert to the Apple subscription model to be included in Newsstand.
  12. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
    But the problem is that not "all subscriptions are in one folder." Try putting BBC News in the Newsstand folder. Cannot be done. Reason? You don't pay for the BBC News app. If you could put it into the Newsstand app you might be less tempted to purchase content.
  13. S1njin thread starter macrumors 6502a


    May 3, 2010
    Well as I am really only interested in the Wall Street Journal, having it in there and autoupdating might be nice. From what I have read though, their latest patch swatted a pretty bad bug but did not include Newstand integration.
  14. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
    The "auto-updaing" feature has been mentioned several times. I'm curious about this. On my iPad I have several news apps that update only when I open them. (e.g. BBC News). But this "updating" takes, at most 3-4 seconds.

    I am connected via wifi to a very fast cable modem or to a 4G/LTE mobile hotspot that is also very fast but I'm curious if the wait for a download is so significant on other devices or through other internet connections that it is an inconvenience. If it is, I can understand why "overnight" downloading would be valuable. Otherwise, I would think that downloading only when an app is opened would be preferable from a data load perspective.

    Can someone enlighten me about the reasons that "overnight downloads" are mentioned so frequently as an important benefit?
  15. thewitt macrumors 68020


    Sep 13, 2011
    Application developers with subscription apps need to make changes for Newsstand support. Auto-update support is one of those changes. If a subscription doesn't do that don't blame Apple...

    It's a great addition and will become more useful as content providers take advantage of it.
  16. benmrii macrumors 65816


    Nov 14, 2007
    These two said it well enough that I won't elaborate much. One other thing that bugs me though is that, in addition to it being a new item on the long list of bad apps that I will never use and don't want cluttering up my space (screen and storage) but have to because Apple forces me to keep them, it acts like a folder so I can't hide it in my "wish I could delete these but at least I don't have to look at them" folder.
  17. RollTide1017 macrumors regular

    Sep 28, 2009
    Montgomery, AL
    That's not true. I have 5 magazine subscriptions that are now in Newstand and when I double click the home button to switch apps, each individual magazine still shows up there, along with the Newstand folder/app. So, you can switch directly back to the periodical that you were reading without having to go to the Newstand app first, I've done it a number of times on my iPad.

    I love Newstand on my iPad, wish I could delete it from my iPhone. I hope this auto download thing works when new issues are avaliable because before Newstand, you had to open each mag app to download new issues, which was a slow process on some of these apps. I hope newstand will do it all in the background now. We'll see in a few weeks when next month's issues start rolling out.
  18. rhett7660 macrumors G4


    Jan 9, 2008
    Sunny, Southern California
    I like it,, ,still getting used to it and I am hoping more magazines/newspapers jump on board. It is nice to have them all in one spot like zinio.
  19. bryanjc macrumors regular

    Jun 7, 2011
    Pointless, why not just add an extra tab to to iBooks?
  20. mrleee3 macrumors newbie

    Jul 27, 2008
    It is useful for me as it saves a couple of precious seconds in the morning, not having to get ipad, open app, wait for download etc. My wifi isn't bad but something like The Times still takes a couple of minutes to download and then process and some magazines are hundreds of megs in size. Half the time I forget which sort of defeats the object of having a daily subscription. Whilst obviously not life-changing it is certainly a useful addition, for me at least.

    PS no 4G/LTE for us in the UK - and not for a good many years I think! :(
  21. redout macrumors member

    Mar 14, 2011
    I have The Guardian for iPad and it updates automatically for me.

    Woke up this morning and my paper was in newstand already downloaded.

    There is an option in settings - store to turn on automatic downloads.
  22. Thetonyk123 macrumors 68000


    Aug 14, 2011
    I don't like newstand. It acts like a folder and a app. When you got into it it appears on the multitasking bar oh apple
  23. Sedrick macrumors 68030


    Nov 10, 2010
    I agree. After going to the news stand store and downloading several "FREE" magazines, I soon realized that they are, in fact, NOT free and when you launch them are prompted so subscribe for $7.99 a month.

    Threw it in a folder marked 'wasteland' and never to be seen again.
  24. jsh1120 macrumors 65816

    Jun 1, 2011
    Thanks. I had a feeling it might be something like that. Some apps I use, (e.g. Washington Post, NY Times) download only a "front page" and expect the user to access individual stories. On the other hand, the New Yorker downloads an entire issue at one stroke (120mg or so) and that takes a minute or so. Although you can begin accessing the app before it is fully downloaded.

    The apps that download only a "preview" as noted above do allow individual stories to be saved offline for later reading. (Much browsers that enable the same behavior for websites.) Otherwise, of course, one must remain connected to navigate the app.

    Obviously, there are costs and benefits of the different approaches. Periodicals that resemble "books," i.e. content you'd like to save and refer to at a later time or periodicals with long form articles that may require an hour to read are more suited to the download all approach. The New Yorker fits that model.

    Newspapers on the other hand, where the content is frequently of fleeting importance and composed of relatively short individual articles are more suited to real time (connected) reading or skim and save. I have no interest in accumulating an entire week of the entire content of the WP, for example.

    Further, on this side of the pond most users now have fairly tight limits on download volume. That means an automatic download of an entire large newspaper that one doesn't get around to reading on a particular day can be relatively expensive if it pushes one into a higher priced tier. (My impression is that 3G access in Europe is both less expensive and has higher limits than in the US.)

    Bottom line is that at least for me keeping journalists employed is a fairly high priority. I even subscribe to a daily (hard copy) newspaper here in Seattle that I frequently don't read just because I think it's important that a local newspaper survive in this town.

    As a result of that attitude I'm happy to pay a subscription price for the content I receive digitally. What I don't appreciate is seeing the market for content carved up according to the device that is used to deliver it and for the originators of the content to face a Hobson's choice with regard to those devices in terms of paying for the delivery of their content.

    That's not to say, of course, that firms like Apple don't deserve revenue for content delivery. On the other hand, I suspect consumers may soon face a media landscape where content is carved up among delivery devices and access to particular sources of information depends on the manufacturer of the device one happens to own. In a world where fewer and fewer sources of content have the means to distribute it, placing still another hurdle to distribution is not a good sign.
  25. snowbaked macrumors newbie

    Oct 24, 2011
    Newstand would be great for the UK newspaper The Times. I sent them a comments email via the website. It came back saying they had no intention of adding this functionality. This is a real pity as it would really help by having the issue automatically downloaded in the background every morning.

    If another similar paper gets the Newstand support them I'll jump (I'm not considering with the Gaurdian!)

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