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"Misinformed rumor" on the official 1394 Trade Association site? (although it may have been badly interpreted)
Have you got any link to support this? (just asking)
I think there is already a long thread on MacRumors from several months ago that was finally resolved when someone contacted the 1394 Trade Association and they admitted that their posting was misleading or badly worded. It's either here on MacRumors or over on the Ars Technica Mac forum.

Okay, so here is the link from MacRumors. Actually, I think this topic has come up before in other places and we always have to smash it down to keep people planted on solid ground.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8070483/
 
I think there is already a long thread on MacRumors from several months ago that was finally resolved when someone contacted the 1394 Trade Association and they admitted that their posting was misleading or badly worded. It's either here on MacRumors or over on the Ars Technica Mac forum.

Okay, so here is the link from MacRumors. Actually, I think this topic has come up before in other places and we always have to smash it down to keep people planted on solid ground.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8070483/

I see. Sad :(.
Going back to hope for a fw3200 on the next iMacs. Or at least a hidden chipset to enable somewhere in the future at a right time.
 
They had their MBA training during the keynote - that was the first the Apple staff had heard of it.

first iphone release: store opens at like 10 am, store closes at 2pm. black curtains go up. next four hours, staff is trained, sees phone for the first time, puts up demo tables etc. Store reopens at 6pm to thunderous applause etc.
 
Anyone who would seriously consider using an expensive Blu-ray burner and an expensive Blu-ray blank disc to backup data when a small , portable hard drive with ten times the capacity can be pruchsed for less than $100 definitely has a screw loose. Every reputable article out there notes that Blu-ray adoption on PCs is sluggish. Blu-ray is dead. It's a technology whose time has already come and gone. It's the 3.5 inch floppy drive of the 21st century. It's only legitimate use is for playback but that too is on it's way out. Why do you think the players all have network ports on them now?

What a load of crap.

If you read any "reputable" article, you'll see that it points out that blu-ray disc is being adopted at TWICE the rate of DVD when you compare the same point in its life cycle.

To put it simply, when DVD was at 4%, blu-ray at the same time in its life was at 8% and it continues to grow.

If you go back and look at statistics you'll see that DVD adoption in the PC market was pretty slow at first too.

Don't forget that DVD was NOT an overnight success. The format was SIX years old before it finally captured 51% of the market and overtook VHS. That was in the year 2003.

With current bandwidth available across the world, and Apple's lack of proper hardware support for video playback, downloadable movies will NOT reach the quality of blu-ray disc for a long time to come. In a lot of cases, Apple's downloadable "HD" movies aren't even as good as an upscaled DVD. Even the Xbox360s downloadable 1080p movies don't come close to blu-ray quality. The standard definition downloadable content on iTunes, Xbox, the PS3, etc. don't even come close to matching good old DVDs, especially in the audio department.

So while physical media might be dying for YOU and a very small number of incredibly overly vocal people, physical media will still be the choice of the majority of the market.

Two more things. Blu-ray players have networking capabilities because of BDLive content. Such as chatting with the film makers, making your own cuts of the film, streaming trailers and other extra content.

The other thing is for people pointing to "downloadable and on demand content" having a larger share than blu-ray. I guarantee you that the vast majority of that piece of the pie is taken up by On Demand and PPV services provided by cable and satellite companies. Why? Because most people pay for those services already and have the necessary equipment. Very FEW people actually own an Apple TV or would go through the hassle of connecting a billion different cables and adapters up to their home theater system since Apple refuses to support HDMI in their computers.
 
I never understood why Apple just doesn't include HDMI in their devices now =\

it's becoming pretty standard for damn near everything. do they just not want the possibility of using a non-apple monitor with one of their computers?
 
I never understood why Apple just doesn't include HDMI in their devices now =\

it's becoming pretty standard for damn near everything. do they just not want the possibility of using a non-apple monitor with one of their computers?

I was thinking the same, hope they will add HDMI to the new gen.

And i personally dont like those rumored black screens, im satisfied with the alu display or even glass, corners could be sharp though, but it wouldnt be an apple then, huh... :)
 
I never understood why Apple just doesn't include HDMI in their devices now =\

it's becoming pretty standard for damn near everything

You're wrong.

Consumer electronics: SCART ----> HDMI

Computers: DVI ------> Display Port

Apple computers are the most future-proof, offering a Display Port connection since 2008.

. do they just not want the possibility of using a non-apple monitor with one of their computers?

WTF?!? :confused:

You can hook any apple computer of the last 4 years to any DVI/HDMI or VGA non-apple monitor....

And this is achieved with the minimum waste of space on the motherboard and the chassis, thanks to the Mini-DVI and Mini-Display Port connection, ensuring a unique connection for all the product line and the possibility to put that complete array of ports (VGA, DVI/HDMI, DVI-DL) even on very small products.

Think about the MacMini: it has 2 VGA, 2 DVI/HDMI and 1 DVI-DL ports. It's five video ports. Which small computer could have such a number of ports?

The apple policy about video ports is the best possible, full stop.
 
You can hook any apple computer of the last 4 years to any DVI/HDMI or VGA non-apple monitor....

And this is achieved with the minimum waste of space on the motherboard and the chassis, thanks to the Mini-DVI and Mini-Display Port connection, ensuring a unique connection for all the product line and the possibility to put that complete array of ports (VGA, DVI/HDMI, DVI-DL) even on very small products.

Think about the MacMini: it has 2 VGA, 2 DVI/HDMI and 1 DVI-DL ports. It's five video ports. Which small computer could have such a number of ports?

The apple policy about video ports is the best possible, full stop.

One slight flaw however... You'd have to buy an expensive dongle for your setup AND remember to always pack that extra accessory.

So far I've only seen displayport available on Nvidia cards and it's not the same as Apple's minidisplayport while HDMI is pretty much anywhere. Why wouldn't HDMI suffice? It can connect to DVI as well (with an adapter) should there be no already common HDMI-port available?

On top of this the monitor standard 16:10 seems to be dying off and replaced by the HDTV one of 16:9 (and most of them have HDMI). Try finding a display today that has 1920x1200... You'll most likely will have to order one.

Apple seems to be so early when it comes to adopting a new display standard that when the rest of the market starts using it they move on to the next new thing, doing it all over again.

If there only was one standard for connecting displays... :rolleyes:
 
One slight flaw however... You'd have to buy an expensive dongle for your setup AND remember to always pack that extra accessory.

It's the price of VERSATILITY and I'm happy to pay it ;)
Without this "adapter swapping game" we couldn't have 5 video ports on the mac mini, 3 video ports on the Macbook Air, 3 video ports on the Macbook Pro, ecc. in a minimal waste of space and design.

The dongle is not that expensive if you think you can use it across the whole line of product and it's a one-shot expense. BTW, you can get cheaper third party adapters if you want.

All taken in account, I reapeat, it's a price everyone should be happy to pay, if the outcome is having a complete choice of video ports (and future proof with Display Port, how many 2008 windows laptops got it?) on every single product of the line.

So far I've only seen displayport available on Nvidia cards and it's not the same as Apple's minidisplayport

The wires are the same, it's only a smaller connector, it takes a trivial cable to connect Display Port to Mini-Display Port.
And Mini-Display Port is today a STANDARD, because Apple decided to release it for free and the DP group decided to put it in the OFFICIAL Display Port 1.2 specifications.
In fact, you can now find it even on non Apple products, look at this Ati 5XXX EyeFinity video card:

20090926-bbbyrma7ki8j51f551dengqii9.jpg


Anyway, as I said it's trivial to create a cable (actually they already sell them) to connect Mini-DP to full size DP.

So Apple products are future-proof thanks to the Mini-DP.

while HDMI is pretty much anywhere. Why wouldn't HDMI suffice? It can connect to DVI as well (with an adapter) should there be no already common HDMI-port available?

Can you connect it to VGA as well?
Can you connect it to DVI DUAL LINK 2560x1600 as well?
Has it a convenient shape and size for future very small products?
Is it future-proof for connecting to Display Port monitors?

HDMI is such a worse choiche than Mini-Dispay Port.

On top of this the monitor standard 16:10 seems to be dying off and replaced by the HDTV one of 16:9 (and most of them have HDMI). Try finding a display today that has 1920x1200... You'll most likely will have to order one.

So?
With Mini-DP you can do everything, including connecting a 16:9 HDMI display....you just need the right adapter and cable....
 
Mini display port is not standard yet kids. (kids for the pointless arguing here) It still is still not on every device and not on every computer expect apples (like 2 models) and I believe one dell model. So a total of 3 computers have them.

Just because apple done this in the past with floppy's (which to be honest were already on their way out with or with out apples help) does not mean it will happen again.
 
Mini display port is not standard yet kids. (kids for the pointless arguing here) It still is still not on every device and not on every computer expect apples (like 2 models) and I believe one dell model. So a total of 3 computers have them.

Just because apple done this in the past with floppy's (which to be honest were already on their way out with or with out apples help) does not mean it will happen again.

Yeah, the future of Display Port is very uncertain, it hasn't got so many supporters:

* AMD/ATI
* Analogix[25]
* Apple
* ASRock[26]
* Circuit Assembly
* DataPro
* Dell
* Eizo

* Genesis Microchip
* Gigabyte Technology
* Hall Research Technologies
* Hewlett-Packard
* Hosiden Corporation
* Intel
* Integrated Device Technology
* Japan Aviation Electronics
* Lenovo
* Luxtera
* Matrox Graphics
* Molex
* Micro-Star International[27]
* Mstar
* NVIDIA
* NXP Semiconductors
* Palit Microsystems Palit
* Parade Technologies
* Pioneer Corporation
* Philips
* Quantum Data
* S3 Graphics
* Samsung
* Sparkle Computer
* Texas Instruments
* Tyco Electronics
* Unigraf

I think Display Port will soon disappear :rolleyes:
 
I'm not saying it will "disappear" go back and read my post I'm just saying it wont become standard (not for a while that is).

So go ahead and post at least 10 or more devices that have such a port and you'll have my back.

When I say devices, I dont mean different models of the same category. I mean devices.
 
I'm not saying it will "disappear" go back and read my post I'm just saying it wont become standard (not for a while that is).

So go ahead and post at least 10 or more devices that have such a port and you'll have my back.

When I say devices, I dont mean different models of the same category. I mean devices.

You know, the real problem here is that to an apple Mini-DP port I can hook a DVI/VGA/HDMI cable if I want. So we're talking about being future-proof without paying any real tradeoff. So your whole "it's to early for display port, it is not widespread" discussion is pointless, kid. Apple products are future-proof from 2008, but you can still hook them to a VGA/DVI/HDMI monitor. Plus, you can hook them to a DVI-Dual Link 2560x1600 monitor. So what are we talking about? I don't care if DP becomes widespread in 2014, I'm happy to be future-proof and don't loose anything. With HDMI I wouldn't be future-proof.

For the 10 products, here you are:

http://www.displayport.org/consumer/?q=content/product-directory
 
On top of this the monitor standard 16:10 seems to be dying off and replaced by the HDTV one of 16:9 (and most of them have HDMI). Try finding a display today that has 1920x1200... You'll most likely will have to order one.

I just bought a standard Samsung monitor a few weeks ago, and it's 1920x1200. 1920x1200 is still very common.
 
Mini display port is not standard yet kids. (kids for the pointless arguing here) It still is still not on every device and not on every computer expect apples (like 2 models) and I believe one dell model. So a total of 3 computers have them.
Kids? Just how old are you? Are you, by chance, over 40?

Seems not - it is rather condescending of you, a recent high school graduate, to be patronizing to those who are actually older than you are. It might be in your best interest to cool it with the assumptions around here.

Just because apple done this in the past with floppy's (which to be honest were already on their way out with or with out apples help) does not mean it will happen again.
FYI, statements such as: "Just because apple done this in the past..." is indicative of the grammar of a "kid."
 
You're wrong.

Consumer electronics: SCART ----> HDMI

Computers: DVI ------> Display Port

Apple computers are the most future-proof, offering a Display Port connection since 2008.

Most of the world never used SCART. Most of the world used composite, then S-Video, then Component, and now HDMI.

You're also extremely mistaken when it comes to computers. If you go to online etailers, you can find more HDMI native GPUs than you can DisplayPort GPUs. On top of that, you'll find more MOTHERBOARDS with built-in HDMI than DisplayPort. Theres also the fact that every single respectable display made within the last several years has had HDMI connectivity.

You'd also be very hard pressed to find a PC notebook that has a non-Intel GPU that does NOT include an HDMI output. HDMI has been standard in PC notebooks for years now.

Starting with the 1.3 spec in June 2006, HDMI had a mini-HDMI connector very similar in size to mini DisplayPort as well. Further proof that Apple's use of mini DisplayPort ON EVERY SYSTEM is just a means for them to pocket the $30 for their extremely overpriced adapters.


You can hook any apple computer of the last 4 years to any DVI/HDMI or VGA non-apple monitor....

And this is achieved with the minimum waste of space on the motherboard and the chassis, thanks to the Mini-DVI and Mini-Display Port connection, ensuring a unique connection for all the product line and the possibility to put that complete array of ports (VGA, DVI/HDMI, DVI-DL) even on very small products.

Think about the MacMini: it has 2 VGA, 2 DVI/HDMI and 1 DVI-DL ports. It's five video ports. Which small computer could have such a number of ports?

The apple policy about video ports is the best possible, full stop.

Sorry man, but the Mac mini only has 2 physical connectors. The only way to convert to another is with an expensive adapter that might or might not work. Plus those adapters don't support full HDMI 1.3 spec, such as 8 channel LPCM and 2560x1600 resolution over HDMI.


It's the price of VERSATILITY and I'm happy to pay it ;)
Without this "adapter swapping game" we couldn't have 5 video ports on the mac mini, 3 video ports on the Macbook Air, 3 video ports on the Macbook Pro, ecc. in a minimal waste of space and design.

Again, don't be misleading. You don't get 5 video ports on the Mac mini. You get two. The only way to get another is to convert it with an overpriced adapter. Converting the port does not magically add another port. It simply changes its function.

The dongle is not that expensive if you think you can use it across the whole line of product and it's a one-shot expense. BTW, you can get cheaper third party adapters if you want.

The dongle is expensive. I shouldn't have to buy it at all. Every PC I've dealt with within the last 3 years has had HDMI, why haven't Macs?

All taken in account, I reapeat, it's a price everyone should be happy to pay, if the outcome is having a complete choice of video ports (and future proof with Display Port, how many 2008 windows laptops got it?) on every single product of the line.

Why should I have to pay extra to get video out of my laptop and on to another display? Thats freakin ridiculous! I can walk into Best Buy right now and buy a notebook that costs $200 less than the plastic MacBook and it will have dedicated graphics, a larger screen, AND HDMI output along with a VGA out. So why should I have to pay extra for something on a Mac thats a standard feature on every single other notebook AND netbook on the planet?

Again, I couldn't care less about DisplayPort. HDMI is everywhere, it supports 2560x1600 over a single link cable with spec 1.3 (3 years old now) as well as 8 channel LPCM, and HDMI 1.4 supports up to 4096x2160 over a single cable. Why should I care about DisplayPort when Apple is just using it as another classic example to CHARGE customers extra money for a feature that is standard everywhere else?


The wires are the same, it's only a smaller connector, it takes a trivial cable to connect Display Port to Mini-Display Port.
And Mini-Display Port is today a STANDARD, because Apple decided to release it for free and the DP group decided to put it in the OFFICIAL Display Port 1.2 specifications.
In fact, you can now find it even on non Apple products, look at this Ati 5XXX EyeFinity video card

Good for it. Now go find the hundreds of Windows notebooks and desktop add-in GPUs and desktop motherboards that have HDMI built-in and compare those to the number of products that have DisplayPort built-in. Don't forget that the original DisplayPort spec was approved about a month before HDMI 1.3. So it's had 3 years to be adopted. Guess which spec has been adopted over the last 3 years? Thats right, HDMI. Apple is currently the ONLY computer manufacturer that does NOT ship HDMI in its computer products.


Can you connect it to VGA as well?
Not that I'm aware of. But have you seen the video quality of Apple's mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter? I own one. The video quality is as bad as a noisy S-Video cable connected to a standard definition TV. I've used it with multiple displays and various VGA cables and the quality never improved. Funny thing is, the VGA out on my PC notebook is crystal clear.
Can you connect it to DVI DUAL LINK 2560x1600 as well?
No need. HDMI 1.3 supports 2560x1600 over a single link cable. Basically, a cable you walk into the store and buy right now will support 2560x1600.

A better question here is when will Apple's mini DisplayPort to dual link DVI adapter that costs $100 FINALLY WORK?

Has it a convenient shape and size for future very small products?
Yeah actually. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dLgu5KPuL._SS400_.jpg Mini HDMI cable for the 1.3 spec. No reason Apple couldn't have used it.

Is it future-proof for connecting to Display Port monitors?
HDMI equipped displays outnumber DisplayPort displays by what? About 100:1. Again, HDMI 1.3 was approved a month after the original DisplayPort spec. Over the last several years, the industry has chosen to adopt HDMI. It is only APPLE that has chosen not to adopt HDMI in favor of making customers pay extra money to get something that is standard on every other computer in the market.

HDMI is such a worse choiche than Mini-Dispay Port.

Not really. HDMI is everywhere. It is in nearly every full size PC notebook sold these days that does not include an Intel GPU, it is in many PC desktop motherboards, it is in the vast majority of PC desktop GPUs and those that don't have the port built-in include an adapter in the box. HDMI equipped notebooks support 8 channel LPCM over HDMI, and so do desktop GPUs. HDMI doesn't require any expensive adapters to be connected, and thanks to HDMI being everywhere, you can connect an HDMI equipped PC to nearly everything.

Look at someone, like me, who wants to connect their PC to their HDTV and surround sound system. My notebook PC has HDMI. It takes ONE CABLE to connect it to the entire setup. With my MacBook I have to get out my mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter, an optical cable for audio, the mini TOSLink adapter for that cable, connect it all, and then change a bunch of settings on my A/V receiver to get it to take audio in over optical rather than HDMI.

Thats another big issue. Apple's use of mini DisplayPort with no audio support holds Macs back as well. If they ever get blu-ray drives and Apple doesn't include audio support in DisplayPort, then Apple owners will miss out on half of the experience blu-ray offers because theres no way to pass the lossless or uncompressed audio! The SPDIF standard is limited to Dolby Digital Plus and DTS Core. No uncompressed PCM or lossless audio for Mac owners! Yet my 2 year old PC notebook passes uncompressed PCM and decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD over HDMI just fine.

So?
With Mini-DP you can do everything, including connecting a 16:9 HDMI display....you just need the right adapter and cable....

And with HDMI you get higher resolutions, no need for clunky and sometimes outrageously expensive adapters ($99 for the Dual Link DVI adapter) that can sometimes eat up a USB port for power (dual link DVI adapter again) that don't always work and you have to swap them out multiple times to get them to work finally (dual link DVI adapter yet again). HDMI gives you almost guaranteed 8 channel LPCM support, as well as the ability to pass decoded and bitstreamed Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD. HDMI has had a "mini" connector for over 3 years now. Displays with HDMI outnumber displays with DisplayPort by about 100:1 and if HDTVs are brought into the picture, its probably more like 10,000:1 heh. HDMI is a standard feature on PC notebooks, PC motherboards, and PC GPUs.

Other than Macs, its more difficult to find a device that DOES support DisplayPort than it is to find one that does NOT support HDMI, netbooks excluded.
 
What a load of crap.

If you read any "reputable" article, you'll see that it points out that blu-ray disc is being adopted at TWICE the rate of DVD when you compare the same point in its life cycle.

To put it simply, when DVD was at 4%, blu-ray at the same time in its life was at 8% and it continues to grow.

If you go back and look at statistics you'll see that DVD adoption in the PC market was pretty slow at first too.

Don't forget that DVD was NOT an overnight success. The format was SIX years old before it finally captured 51% of the market and overtook VHS. That was in the year 2003.

With current bandwidth available across the world, and Apple's lack of proper hardware support for video playback, downloadable movies will NOT reach the quality of blu-ray disc for a long time to come. In a lot of cases, Apple's downloadable "HD" movies aren't even as good as an upscaled DVD. Even the Xbox360s downloadable 1080p movies don't come close to blu-ray quality. The standard definition downloadable content on iTunes, Xbox, the PS3, etc. don't even come close to matching good old DVDs, especially in the audio department.

So while physical media might be dying for YOU and a very small number of incredibly overly vocal people, physical media will still be the choice of the majority of the market.

Two more things. Blu-ray players have networking capabilities because of BDLive content. Such as chatting with the film makers, making your own cuts of the film, streaming trailers and other extra content.

The other thing is for people pointing to "downloadable and on demand content" having a larger share than blu-ray. I guarantee you that the vast majority of that piece of the pie is taken up by On Demand and PPV services provided by cable and satellite companies. Why? Because most people pay for those services already and have the necessary equipment. Very FEW people actually own an Apple TV or would go through the hassle of connecting a billion different cables and adapters up to their home theater system since Apple refuses to support HDMI in their computers.

+1080 ;)
 
Yeah, neither does that bag of hurt BluRay

Yeah, the future of Display Port is very uncertain, it hasn't got so many supporters:

* AMD/ATI
* Analogix[25]
* Apple
* ASRock[26]
* Circuit Assembly
* DataPro
* Dell
* Eizo

* Genesis Microchip
* Gigabyte Technology
* Hall Research Technologies
* Hewlett-Packard
* Hosiden Corporation
* Intel
* Integrated Device Technology
* Japan Aviation Electronics
* Lenovo
* Luxtera
* Matrox Graphics
* Molex
* Micro-Star International[27]
* Mstar
* NVIDIA
* NXP Semiconductors
* Palit Microsystems Palit
* Parade Technologies
* Pioneer Corporation
* Philips
* Quantum Data
* S3 Graphics
* Samsung
* Sparkle Computer
* Texas Instruments
* Tyco Electronics
* Unigraf

I think Display Port will soon disappear :rolleyes:
 
Most of the world never used SCART. Most of the world used composite, then S-Video, then Component, and now HDMI.
In Europe it is very popular, anyway the meaning was that HDMI was the heir of the TV Set video ports.


You're also extremely mistaken when it comes to computers. If you go to online etailers, you can find more HDMI native GPUs than you can DisplayPort GPUs. On top of that, you'll find more MOTHERBOARDS with built-in HDMI than DisplayPort. Theres also the fact that every single respectable display made within the last several years has had HDMI connectivity.

Of course I know all of this stuff.
I'm talking on the LONG PERIOD. On the LONG PERIOD, the future for computers is Display Port. In the meantime, on an Apple computer you get both (HDMI and DP).

Starting with the 1.3 spec in June 2006, HDMI had a mini-HDMI connector very similar in size to mini DisplayPort as well. Further proof that Apple's use of mini DisplayPort ON EVERY SYSTEM is just a means for them to pocket the $30 for their extremely overpriced adapters.
Yeah just for that....oops, mini-HDMI cannot be converted in VGA and DVI-DL.

Sorry man, but the Mac mini only has 2 physical connectors.

It has FIVE POTENTIAL PORTS (2 VGA, 2 DVI, 1 DVI DL) thank to TWO phisical multi-purpose connectors, which can be used in dual monitor setups in one of these (again) FIVE configurations:

- VGA + VGA
- VGA + DVI
- DVI + DVI
- DVI + DVI DL
- VGA + DVI DL

My point was, how else could you achieve such a FLEXIBILITY without the "expensive dongle swapping game"?

The only way to convert to another is with an expensive adapter that might or might not work. Plus those adapters don't support full HDMI 1.3 spec, such as 8 channel LPCM and 2560x1600 resolution over HDMI.

- How many 2560x1600 monitors are there which support this hdmi 1.3 2560x1600-feature? Is there any?

- About 8 channel LPCM audio, how many users ACTUALLY hook that port to a proper A/V receiver to get the surround audio? Should Apple care about these "one-digit percent" situations and leave out VGA monitors?

The dongle is expensive. I shouldn't have to buy it at all. Every PC I've dealt with within the last 3 years has had HDMI, why haven't Macs?
Because Apple build very few models and has to:
- used a unified port design across the line
- mantain compatibility with VGA monitors (Asus and others still sells some VGA-only monitors), through a convenient multipurpose connector.

Why should I have to pay extra to get video out of my laptop and on to another display? Thats freakin ridiculous!
You're overreacting...
Imagine the price of the adapter was included in the price of the laptop...you wouldn't notice....the point is paying an extra for FLEXIBILITY. You always pay an extra for FLEXIBILITY, not only on Apple.

I can walk into Best Buy right now and buy a notebook that costs $200 less than the plastic MacBook and it will have dedicated graphics, a larger screen,

Ohh I see the big picture now.....:rolleyes:

Not that I'm aware of.

Then you've got your answer.
Apple don't build hundreds of different models a year.
Apple builds few models and all of them must have a unified video port which ensure compatibility with every monitor.

But have you seen the video quality of Apple's mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter?
A better question here is when will Apple's mini DisplayPort to dual link DVI adapter that costs $100 FINALLY WORK?

As we say in Italy, "questo è un altro paio di maniche". It means "this is another pair of sleeves", this is "another matter". The idea was right and was the only logical way to go, the actual implementation obliously need to be fixed. But this doesn't make the original idea bad or evil.

Yeah actually. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dLgu5KPuL._SS400_.jpg Mini HDMI cable for the 1.3 spec. No reason Apple couldn't have used it.
No VGA..

Thats another big issue. Apple's use of mini DisplayPort with no audio support holds Macs back as well. If they ever get blu-ray drives and Apple doesn't include audio support in DisplayPort, then Apple owners will miss out on half of the experience blu-ray offers because theres no way to pass the lossless or uncompressed audio! The SPDIF standard is limited to Dolby Digital Plus and DTS Core. No uncompressed PCM or lossless audio for Mac owners! Yet my 2 year old PC notebook passes uncompressed PCM and decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD over HDMI just fine.

I must agree with this.
Again, it looks Apple doesn't mean the Macs to be useful as mediacenters.
(although I actually use a MacMini as a "1080p-MKV" mediacenter, hooked to a Sony STR DG-720 via toslink and to a 50" fullHD Samsung plasma via HDMI)

Other than Macs, its more difficult to find a device that DOES support DisplayPort than it is to find one that does NOT support HDMI, netbooks excluded.
This is CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I was talking on the LONG PERIOD.
 
Does Apples DP to HDMI converter pass DRM? I wonder if DP was used to not have to pay for the HDMI port. Besides isn't it funny that Apple, the innovator, is beholden to VGA, when we all know that it should just die out already...
 
Does Apples DP to HDMI converter pass DRM?
Yes, even through third party adapters:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...-to-hdmi-adapter-available-hdcp-compliant.ars

I wonder if DP was used to not have to pay for the HDMI port.
I don't know if it was because of royalties, anyway it is always good to support an open standard. (also like OpenCL, Webkit, ecc. ;) ) (unlike Flash, HDMI, ecc.)

Besides isn't it funny that Apple, the innovator, is beholden to VGA,

You cannot ignore VGA if you build 3 models a year.
You can if you build forty laptops (es. Asus), so you put VGA ports only on two of them.

when we all know that it should just die out already...

Here in Italy I still see some VGA-only Asus monitors in the malls. A lot of things "should die out already" but sometimes you simply can't drop them overnight.
 
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