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i'm happy about this. putting 8 megapixel photos on the iMacs 15 megapixel screen is a pretty disappointing experience, hopefully this makes it a bit better
 
Yeah exactly, and as soon as Apple comes out with iOS9 that commands more ram then you and the other "2GB of ram wishers" will be clamoring for 4GB. It never ends.

I don't think so. 2GB should be good for the next few years and only people who want to troll here will say something. However, I have a feeling that iOS 10 will "prefer" 2GB of RAM and this will likely make up the minds of 1GB iPhone 6 owners in 2016/17 to upgrade "on-time", in case they were considering to hold on to their phones longer than the normal two years.
 
if you have loved ones, family, friends, what not, and you're someone who regularly likes to preserve memories via video and camcorders, preserving them in the best, and highest available quality should be your #1 goal.

Then, buy a DSLR and a couple of prime lenses or a $1000 zoom. Really, there is so substitute for that if you want best quality (well, these is medium format).

"in 10 years from now, when you're watching your babies first steps on your 4k standard displays, are you going to be happy you recorded 10 years ago in 4k? or would you still rather only record in 1080?"

You will then display in 4k and on a giant screen the result of a noisy sensor and lens induced diffraction...

"Dont get me wrong, i'm not advocating dropping Image quality just to hit the magic 4k number."

The problem is that there is no magic but the hard cold truths of physics...
If you record garbage in 4k, 4k won't magically turn it into good quality signal.
The sensor on smartphones is just too small for good 4k. The signal is plagued by noise - you even have noise in broad daylight, in the skies for instance. And the signal is hit by diffraction on most of the aperture range from the lens.
 
Fwiw, not sure if it's been mentioned (too lazy to read through the other posts) but it wouldn't be the first time apple has changed the chassis on an S model (iPhone 4 vs 4s antenna system)
 
I only want more megapixels if the sensors gets larger. Otherwise they will just make more noise and poor low light performance.
 
Apple should upgrade the iPhone 100 megapixels and 16K video AND keep iCloud at only 5GB free.
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Then, buy a DSLR and a couple of prime lenses or a $1000 zoom. Really, there is so substitute for that if you want best quality (well, these is medium format).

"in 10 years from now, when you're watching your babies first steps on your 4k standard displays, are you going to be happy you recorded 10 years ago in 4k? or would you still rather only record in 1080?"

You will then display in 4k and on a giant screen the result of a noisy sensor and lens induced diffraction...

"Dont get me wrong, i'm not advocating dropping Image quality just to hit the magic 4k number."

The problem is that there is no magic but the hard cold truths of physics...
If you record garbage in 4k, 4k won't magically turn it into good quality signal.
The sensor on smartphones is just too small for good 4k. The signal is plagued by noise - you even have noise in broad daylight, in the skies for instance. And the signal is hit by diffraction on most of the aperture range from the lens.

But, but, but... 4K! That's the hot buzzword right now! Specs! Numbers! :D

Seriously though... you're right. Garbage in, garbage out. Tiny sensors recording 4K doesn't sound too appealing. And it's not just the size of the sensor... it's also the bitrate. 4K that is highly-compressed won't look good either.

I've used a Panasonic FZ1000 camera to shoot 4K. It has a 1" sensor and records at a bitrate of 100Mbit/s. It shoots amazing video... but it also requires super-fast SDXC cards rated Class 10 and UHS 3

And the 4K files it produces are around 700MB a minute!

You could reduce that by using more compression... but isn't that kinda defeating the purpose?

4K footage that's full of compression artifacts doesn't sound great.

There are already some phones that shoot 4K... yet no one seems to be talking about them. Maybe it's because of the reasons we've discussed.

Surely Apple wouldn't add 4K simply for a line on the spec sheet.
 
I just hope it allows us to shoot at 16:9 instead of 4:3... I hate having to crop my 4:3 pictures into 16:9 and not have that wide angle view :mad:

I am waiting, patiently. I bought the iPhone 6+ for the camera mainly, and at the time, I felt it was the overall best on a phone (yep, better than even the somewhat awkward Nokia PureViews).

Now, after playing with the Samsung S6, I can say that the S6 has a somewhat noticeably better camera than the iPhone 6+, although not enough to warrant getting a new phone. We'll see what Samsung puts on the Note 5, which will come out not long before the iPhone 6S+.

Either way, Apple can't just bump the pixel count a bit and rest for another year.

If not Samsung, the Chinese are coming out strong in the premium segment this year, with some innovative stuff, like the supposedly well working iris reader and a PDAF, 13 megs camera on the Vivo X5Pro, or the LeTV Max.

It will be an interesting year. I guess Apple is lucky that the US has such weird LTE bands and the Chinese phones normally don't support them.

As for 4k, yeah, it'd be great, but I just don't get the need for 4k on sub-80" screens, unless you sit 4 feet away from them.

As for all those who say "buy a DSLR" if you want great quality..., well, not everyone is carrying a camera bag with a set of lenses everywhere. Phones have come a long way and are getting better. I got rid of my last DLSR a couple of years ago and don't miss it at all.
 
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Yeah exactly, and as soon as Apple comes out with iOS9 that commands more ram then you and the other "2GB of ram wishers" will be clamoring for 4GB. It never ends.

Perhaps. But if that's the case, it's because Apple sticks with the bare minimum necessary to get by; they don't bother future proofing. Usually it works out fine for them -- it gets us to keep upgrading. Occasionally if they hold back too much, it causes people to get frustrated and jump ship.
 
Perhaps. But if that's the case, it's because Apple sticks with the bare minimum necessary to get by; they don't bother future proofing. Usually it works out fine for them -- it gets us to keep upgrading. Occasionally if they hold back too much, it causes people to get frustrated and jump ship.

I've read it has to do with battery life, more ram drains the battery faster.:confused:
 
Perhaps. But if that's the case, it's because Apple sticks with the bare minimum necessary to get by; they don't bother future proofing. Usually it works out fine for them -- it gets us to keep upgrading. Occasionally if they hold back too much, it causes people to get frustrated and jump ship.

Haha, if only that were a reality. I've seen Apple do some oddball things over the years and even hold back from upgrading their hardware and they barely lose any customers. While Samsung had the BIG phone against the iPhone 4S and 5S people stuck with Apple still and when Apple finally came out with the 6Plus people were jumping ship of the Samsung phones and coming over to Apple. Apple is no longer a mom and pop business where they can't afford to keep a perfect smile on their customer's faces.
 
I'm hoping Apple will take a page out of Huawei's book and figure out how to make it flush.

Huawei have managed to make the P8 thinner than the iPhone, AND features a flat back with no camera bulge. Running 12mpx, and early reports show the camera is performing quite well.

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/181100-image/Premium-ultrathin-metal-chassis.jpg

What Apple needs to do is make the phone thicker so the camera is flush again then they would have more room for a bigger freakin battery!

That's what people want, better battery life for day to day use.
 
1. I love my iPad. I've purchased 5 and it is the first thing in my hands in the morning and the last thing at night.

2. I've never seen the value in the iPhone. My Galaxy S6 has a 16MP camera and a 5MP front camera...3GB of RAM...a faster processor and a better screen. At what point to Apple iPhone fans start to realize that Apple is seriously screwing you. They might be screwing me too on the iPad side, but the apps are there so I'm all in.

I'm more loyal than the next guy, but there comes a point when common sense needs to prevail.

The flame throwing will commense inf 5...4..3..2........
 
I have my doubts that Apple will go to a higher megapixel count for the rear image sensor on the iPhone 6S/6S+ models. And with good reason: if Apple keeps the current thickness of the iPhone 6 and 6+ models with the 2015 models, going to even a 12 megapixel sensor could too compromise image quality.

A far more likely scenario is an improved 8 megapixel sensor with vastly improved low-light sensitivity; we may also see optical image stabilization on the 4.7" in addition to the 5.5" model iPhone.
 
12 seems like a good jump...

They'd wanna go to 12 for the front because everyone like good selfies :) be prepared with your selfie sticks.

(oh god..... its like in the old folks home with canes)
 
I only want more megapixels if the sensors gets larger. Otherwise they will just make more noise and poor low light performance.

My thoughts exactly, I can really care less about pixel count because its hardly indicative of real world performance. If anything people should care a lot more on end image quality especially when shot in low light conditions.

Not that the general population has been complaining about the cameras on their phones anyway.
 
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I only want more megapixels if the sensors gets larger. Otherwise they will just make more noise and poor low light performance.

And worse dynamic range in broad daylight, let's not forget that too... Dynamic range is a real problem with smartphone...
 
1. I love my iPad. I've purchased 5 and it is the first thing in my hands in the morning and the last thing at night.

2. I've never seen the value in the iPhone. My Galaxy S6 has a 16MP camera and a 5MP front camera...3GB of RAM...a faster processor and a better screen. At what point to Apple iPhone fans start to realize that Apple is seriously screwing you. They might be screwing me too on the iPad side, but the apps are there so I'm all in.

I'm more loyal than the next guy, but there comes a point when common sense needs to prevail.

The flame throwing will commense inf 5...4..3..2........

While the S6 takes photos quickly and more easily than my previous S4, it still isn't able to take consistently good photos like the 6S does.

I really hope the rumors of a 12mp shooter and 2gb of RAM turn out to be true.

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My thoughts exactly, I can really care less about pixel count because its hardly indicative of real world performance. If anything people should care a lot more on end image quality especially when shot in low light conditions.

Not that the general population has been complaining about the cameras on their phones anyway.

You should start caring. The S6 takes more detailed photos than the 6S with more or less the same dynamic range. Or don't. You like what you like.
 
4k video capture will only get a 'wow' factor if the image sensor is large enough to make those megapixels worth it. so shooting 4k vid on a smartphone won't matter much (at this point) no matter which phone you use.

4k is meant for professional video capture, not casual smartphone libraries.

having said that, if they improve both sensor and up the MP by another +4, it could very well be leaps and bounds a better improvement than usual.

+4!

I just returned a Sony AX33 as even with the much bigger lens and sensor (compared to anything that would fit in a smartphone), there was still too many compromises compared to it's much more expensive brother the AX100 which has a sensor that's 5x bigger than the AX33. 4K is also highly demanding in storage and in editing. Any company putting 4K in a smartphone today is doing it for marketing reasons only.


We can speculate all day on the tech. and software that will be used in conjunction with the new sensor. In the end your G16 has far superior image processing than most cell phones. It's not so much the sensor as the engine processing the image. Having worked for Canon for 6yrs in this area I'm a bit biased though :p

Also, noise in digital images comes from two sources. Yes, available light captured is one, but the other is the camera and sensor. Ironically DPR has a great two part series on the subject in their recent news feed.

The latest S6 is a testament to being able to do better with more. They could really eclipse the market if they would just put decent image processing algorithms behind the hardware. Sony IMO is leading the way there and considering they are the ones making the sensors for the iPhones, I'm feeling pretty optimistic in what is yet to come. Ironically they also make the sensors in the Galaxy S6 which took the top spot in IQ.

Software does do a lot, but please don't discount the huge size difference in the lens/sensor assembly of his G16 vs. the tiny combos on the majority of smartphones. A 8Megapixel almost 11 year old 20d will still take better pictures than any smartphone out today.
 
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Perhaps. But if that's the case, it's because Apple sticks with the bare minimum necessary to get by; they don't bother future proofing. Usually it works out fine for them -- it gets us to keep upgrading. Occasionally if they hold back too much, it causes people to get frustrated and jump ship.

It might work for them with phones but it's clearly not working with tablets since iPad sales are tanking and people are keeping them a lot longer than Apple had probably hoped.

Phones may never end up in the same boat but Apple ought to at least be mindful of this type of thing.

12 megapixels? My LG G3 has 13 MPs and it's probably considered ancient by phone standards, LOL.
 
Getting ready for the applelogizers from the threads that said 8mp is enough, just like 5, 3 etc was enough previous years UNTIL apple comes w the higher mp camera and better sensors and they started preaching that now it's needed or something.

Sigh

Anyways, I'm excited for the S models. Ready to upgrade my 5S to something better w ram and more than just a big screen and more battery due to the iPhone being bigger
 
What about the front facing camera? 1.2 MP isn't cutting it anymore. 5 MP and 8 MP are becoming common. Wouldn't "selfie" camera functions sell more with the younger generation? A 5 MP camera with a wide camera lens would be great.
 
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