NeXT-Step and Rhapsody applications on MacOS-X

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  1. nitrofurano macrumors newbie

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    Do someone know how to configure MacOS-X to allow running NeXT-Step and Rhapsody applications on the more recent versions of MacOS-X, without needing emulators?
     
  2. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    What could you POSSIBLY need to do in an operating system from thirteen years ago that you can't do in OS X already?!
     
  3. nitrofurano thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Lots of things, like performance, small applications, lack of fancyness, lack of commercialism exploitation, etc. (maybe this is the reason i'm running on a MacBook operative systems like Ubuntu Linux much more than MacOS-X)

    Btw, is MacOS-X based on NeXT-Step and Rhapsody, or not? :-D
     
  4. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    What exploitation?!

    Buy a NeXT cube for NeXTSTEP if you don't like OS X. Yes, it is based on NeXTSTEP, by the way.
     
  5. nitrofurano thread starter macrumors newbie

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    where can i get information about where i can buy them, and how does they cost? thanks in advance! :)
     
  6. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    eBay's the only place you'll find anything by NeXT these days.

    $Astr,ono,mic.al

    And what's wrong with OS X?
     
  7. nitrofurano thread starter macrumors newbie

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  8. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    I think you will need to recompile them if you have the source code.

    I tried some OS X 10.0.x apps and I got the "You cannot use this version of the application (old app) with this version of Mac OS X" type error.

    Some of those early 10.0.x apps were lightly updated NeXT apps, and the libraries/calls they used were deprecated long ago.
     
  9. Sly macrumors 6502

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    Get a classic Mac for $ basically nothing on ebay and run them on that. They will run fast and perfectly as that's what these OS's were designed to run on. If space is an issue go with a Powerbook, Rhapsody 5.1 runs great on my PB Wall street. What Apps do you have by the way?

    Getting them to run on an Intel Mac would be almost impossible I would have thought. The last releases of Rhapsody will run on the early G4's.

    Forum member 'Racer X' is a font of knowledge on all things NeXt-Step & Rhapsody and would be able to give you a definitive answer on this.
     
  10. nitrofurano thread starter macrumors newbie

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    apps, i have none, just those freeware/trial we can find easily online - i'm just curious about, and a kind of concerned of how MacOS-X seems to follow the bad steps of Windows Vista (just like what we know from http://badvista.fsf.org ) :-(

    well, MacOS-X-Server 10.0 and the MacOS-X 10.3 (which i rarelly use) were the most close operative systems to Rhapsody and NeXT-Step i could use, but of course, i were somehow counting on running Rhapsody and NeXT-Steps apps on any version of MacOS-X since all people always used to say MacOS-X is based on Rhapsody and NeXT-Step...

    thanks! :)
     
  11. MisterMe macrumors G4

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    Actually, it was based on OpenSTEP.
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Seems to me our resident expert in all things NeXTStep is RacerX, but I haven't seen him around much lately. You might try a PM.
     
  13. vga4life macrumors 6502

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    You can run NeXTSTEP or OPENSTEP in VMware Fusion.

    http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1016&sid=6f0b9858370786de89a0f938beb7dc3e
    http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=6432afe217a86c4778b7fc375144533d

    Have fun. I was using NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a TurboColor slab as my primary home computer from the mid '90s until early 2000. Finally sold it (and the laser printer) around 2004 - great machine, way ahead of its time.

    Ironically, since the world wide web was invented on NEXTSTEP, the growth of the web finally forced me onto more modern hardware - poor old OmniWeb was too painful to use by 2000.
     
  14. RacerX macrumors 65832

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    I think that it would be helpful to know what you are expecting from NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody... Because sometimes people's expectations of these operating systems exceed what they'll actually find using them.

    I made this table of applications I use in Rhapsody and their comparative availability in both OPENSTEP and Mac OS X, and maybe this would be helpful in seeing that most of what I use is already available in Mac OS X.

    [​IMG]

    There are a few apps I use in OPENSTEP that aren't on this list, like FrameMaker 3.2, Geomview, Chronographer, the Lighthouse office apps and Reality 3D, but I use FrameMaker 6 in Blue Box in Rhapsody 5.6 and Geomview on my SGI Indigo2 IMPACT, so I don't spend that much time in OPENSTEP these days anymore.

    If you are planning on running any of these operating systems in emulation, I would be of little help there as I really haven't attempted anything like that in the last 5 years or so. I stick pretty much with real hardware for all my needs...
    • Sun SPARCstation 10 (OPENSTEP 4.2)
    • IBM ThinkPad 760ED (Rhapsody 5.1, OPENSTEP 4.2)
    • PowerBook G3 Wallstreet (Rhapsody 5.6)
    • Power Macintosh 8600/300 (Rhapsody 5.6)
    But I think that anyone wanting to jump into these operating systems should be made aware that it is nearly impossible to get license strings for most of the apps I use these days. So a lot of the functionality that lets me work in them today wouldn't be available to someone just starting out.


    As for compatibility of apps from one operating system to another, compatibility was broken from NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP to Rhapsody and broken again from Rhapsody to Mac OS X... and there are apps that worked in early versions of Mac OS X that won't run in the current version today. So while these all may share a common foundation, they are still very different operating systems and application environments from each other.
     
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I think you're supposed to say something like, "You rang?"

    ;)
     
  16. nitrofurano thread starter macrumors newbie

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