It sounds like you've had personal issues with a Hyundai or Kia. What problems did you have with your car and which year and model was it? Are you saying you had problems with one of their EVs?
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Next Vehicle With CarPlay Ultra Named in Report as Rollout Continues
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I’m seriously trying to stop my sides splitting about Americans complaining about the quality of a car brand built anywhere else.
I will bet that every single poster that has crapped on the brand has never owned one. Hyundai are one of the most popular marques here in Panama and many of our friends own and love them. I have not heard one of them complain about reliability at least more than for any other brand. As forCP Ultra…I would never allow Apple to take over full command of my cars interface. I like regular CP but even that can be a PITA sometimes.
It is noteworthy all the companies mentioned as backing out of CarPlay Ultra are German.
Germany is on very hard times. Less polite people would say their years long recession portends economic collapse. The subscription prices for basic vehicle functionality are a huge red flag for this.
The withdrawal of support was probably a business decision based off b expected sales lost on one side of the equation; the other side was loss of subscription income for yet unannounced features and the downright ominous cost of “manufacturer customization”.
This is not the time in German to raise the expense of putting vehicles on dealer lots.
tl;dr: German car manufacturers are in BIG trouble and CarPlay Ultra is an unknown expense that is unlikely to differentiate vehicles at this point in its development.
Germany is on very hard times. Less polite people would say their years long recession portends economic collapse. The subscription prices for basic vehicle functionality are a huge red flag for this.
The withdrawal of support was probably a business decision based off b expected sales lost on one side of the equation; the other side was loss of subscription income for yet unannounced features and the downright ominous cost of “manufacturer customization”.
This is not the time in German to raise the expense of putting vehicles on dealer lots.
tl;dr: German car manufacturers are in BIG trouble and CarPlay Ultra is an unknown expense that is unlikely to differentiate vehicles at this point in its development.
Ooh, look at all those physical controls - almost like an engineer and safety expert was involved in its creation, not just a designer.
Might have something to do with the fact that touchscreens in cars are distracting:
Source: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...ars-not-everything-should-be-on-a-touchscreen
I have had so many software issues related to software provided by car manufacturers themselves that I personally want CarPlay Ultra so that I'm less and less dependent upon the car manufacturers native solutions. I presently drive an Audi Q5 and the center display resets at least once most times that I drive it. The local Audi service center has been unable to diagnose the issue and provide a solution. I have also had the rear brake lights stop working and was told that was a software issue. After agreeing to pay around $300 to diagnose that issue, the total cost to update the software on the car was over $600! As such, CarPlay Ultra is something that I'm watching very carefully. I hope that Audi, BMW, Mercedes Benz and other manufacturers, that are currently saying they won't bring CarPlay Ultra to their vehicles, will eventually have to give in to consumer demand and give their customers the choice between their native systems and CarPlay Ultra.
Hyundai's upcoming IONIQ 3 electric vehicle will support Apple's CarPlay Ultra system, according to the BBC publication Top Gear.
Here is what Top Gear's Paul Horrell reported last week:The mention of CarPlay Ultra in the report was spotted by French blog MacGeneration.
Hyundai plans to showcase a conceptual version of the IONIQ 3 at the IAA Mobility auto show, which begins on September 9 in Munich, Germany. The report described the vehicle as a smaller and more affordable EV that will offer up to 365 miles of range per full charge. The vehicle is expected to launch in the first half of 2026.
Launched in May, CarPlay Ultra is the long-awaited next-generation version of CarPlay that was previewed in 2022. CarPlay Ultra is currently limited to newer Aston Martin vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, but Apple said that many other automakers around the world are working to offer it over the next year and beyond, including Hyundai and its Kia and Genesis brands. So, it would make sense if the all-new IONIQ 3 supports CarPlay Ultra.
CarPlay Ultra features deep integration with a vehicle's instrument cluster and systems, built-in Radio and Climate apps, customizable widgets, and more. The interface is tailored to each vehicle model and automaker's identity, and drivers can choose from various preset design options. The connected iPhone provides app-related data, while the vehicle provides driving data like current speed, and other info like tire pressure.
Some other automakers like Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz have said they have no plans to offer CarPlay Ultra, but decisions can always change over time.
Article Link: Next Vehicle With CarPlay Ultra Named in Report as Rollout Continues
Anyone designing or writing software intended for a car touchscreen system should be required to design and write that software on an medium-sized iPad (without a keyboard) while seated in a moving car bumping along a typical US road.
I think they might finally get it.
No, I would never own a Hyundai or Kia to have these problems. I know many people that own ICE Hyundai and Kia vehicles and the engines are absolute trash. If you don’t add at least 2 quarts of oil between oil changes, you’ll be buying a new engine.
I personally don’t know anyone who owns a Hyundai EV, but I’ve seen lots of reports of them failing as well. They just don’t make reliable cars. Any mechanic will tell you that. To be fair, they’re not at the Range Rover/ Land Rover level of unreliability, but they are nowhere near Toyota, Honda, Mazda or even Ford.
This being said they sell really well because compared to Toyota for instance, you can get a much more modern looking interior with larger screens for less money.
I wonder if Hyundai will actually put a decent CPU in their co-processor for CarPlay ultra, the co-processor used in that OTHER car that has CarPlay ultra is shockingly slow and gets like 5 FPS on the displays, including the tacho. Honestly it’s bad and reminds me sadly of installing iOS 7 on a iPhone 4, or 4s.
Chug city.
💯 jank.
Chug city.
💯 jank.
If you're lucky, Apple Intelligence should be fully live about then - or at least almost ready.
There is. Hyundai hasn’t announced/confirmed the name of whatever they’re showing next week, so both “Ioniq 2” and “Ioniq 3” are speculative. But all the recent rumor articles about either of these names reference the upcoming Munich reveal, so they are all talking about the same car
You're basing your opinion off older cars or a highly biased sample. Even Consumer Reports has a highly biased convenience sample of self-report data to rank reliability (which is a huge problem from a statistical standpoint).
Here's an example of the methodological issues with Consumer Reports ratings.
Let's look at Tesla for an example. They have Tesla with a predicted reliability of 36, which is one of the worst at 17/22. However, Consumer Reports Tesla as having the lowest predicted maintenance and repair costs of any manufacturer over 10 years: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership-a1854979198/
Some of the difference is simply the cost and nature of maintenance (no oil changes in a Tesla; luxury cars will typically have high maintenance costs even if reliable), but the inconsistency shows that something is off with their ratings of reliability. A car can have problems but be fixed under warranty for free, but the problem is that when they ask people to self-report problems they end up with one reliability rating. Then when they look at what people actually spend to maintain and fix their cars over time, they sometimes get a very different set of data.
Again, Consumer Reports ratings say Tesla cars are both unreliable and highly reliable, on average.
Back to Hyundai and Kia. For new cars with their reliability ratings, they put Kia and Hyundai on the high end of the middle (9 and 10 out of 22), however, Consumer Reports predicts Hyundai will have one of the lowest maintenance and repair costs with Kia in the middle over 10 years. That means their rating of Hyundai reliability is off but Kia matches up. Their ratings of Toyota also match up, but many other cars do not.
You can go on not liking Hyundai and Kia and not buying them but recognize that the reality of their reliability is much different than your anecdotal evidence. This is likely to be particularly true with EVs.
The good thing is that we have many options for cars to buy. I tend to stick with Toyota (my Prius has been great) for various reasons.
I’m basing it on 2020 models and older. Clearly, I cannot base reliability on the 2025 model unless they’re just exploding right off the showroom lot. Even most unreliable cars today on average will last 5 years or 100,000 miles. I say on average because there are exceptions on both ends. Maintenance has a lot to do with it as well.
I don’t think I’m basing it on a biased sample. I don’t know people or interact with people that just have bad Hyundai cars. That would be me posting an advertisement saying if your Hyundai sucks, call me. Pretty much every Hyundai I’ve seen that’s 2020 or older burns excessive amounts of oil. There are exceptions though, and they generally surprise me. On those exceptions the owner has been meticulous about doing the maximum amount of maintenance possible. Meaning synthetic oil changes at under 5k miles, replacing filters, etc. Those people generally have a car guy in their family that prompts them to do this.
Is my experience a scientific study? Absolutely not. None of my life experience is based on a scientific study. If I know a bunch of people with a certain brand of car and the vast majority of them are burning oil, I don’t need a scientific study to not to want to buy that brand.
I’ve seen some questionable articles on Consumer Reports. I don’t know if they’re biased or what but some of the reviews don’t make sense. Not just automotive, but in general. Anything they say I would take with a large grain of salt. I think part of the problem is their scoring model doesn’t take into account the seriousness of the problem. They don’t differentiate between a cosmetic issue or a mechanical issue. Sure it’s annoying if a piece of trim falls off, but I would rather that than my engine throw a rod.
You’re absolutely right though. It’s a good thing we have a variety of brands to choose from. Everything is on a scale to include reliability. Toyota wouldn’t be super reliable if Hyundai wasn’t there. It would just be average.
You made a good choice with the Toyota Prius. Despite how much that car gets made fun of, it’s an excellent commuter car. I was very close to buying one.
Hyundai has a pretty bad UI so this'll be a huge upgrade.
Volvo also has a terrible UI, it's basically a giant Android phone, so they really need to get on board
Volvo also has a terrible UI, it's basically a giant Android phone, so they really need to get on board
I did over 170000 miles in my 2013 Kia Ceed, before trading it in for a 2019 Ceed Sportwagon about 18 months ago. No mechanical problems or breakdowns in either, the only issue I ever had was a failure of the led strip in one of the headlight units in the 2013 about 4 years in and Kia replaced both headlight units with updated versions under warranty no questions asked.
Thank you Hyundai and Kia for this future upgrade! Our new 2025 Ioniq 5 XRT has been perfect, except for one minor issue: we had to adjust a privacy setting for wireless CarPlay auto connect. I look forward to this upgrade when our lease is up in 3 yrs!
I hope Apple brings this tech to motorcycles as well. So far I’ve only seen wired CarPlay support and I really want wireless without having to buy a 3rd party product to get the wireless version.
I hope Apple brings this tech to motorcycles as well. So far I’ve only seen wired CarPlay support and I really want wireless without having to buy a 3rd party product to get the wireless version.