FINALLY!!!! Maybe once these are released I'll upgrade to Mavericks. Syncing your iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch contacts, calendars, etc. via USB straight to your Mac is still the best way to go. I would never trust "cloud" services with my personal info. Sadly it may not be long before they (aka the government) make it mandatory to sync your personal info to some "cloud". Even though our personal info is none of their damn business.
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Now... if they can just reinstate the features that were inexplicably removed with Mavericks such as the ‘open folder in new window’ finder option and coloured labels rather than near-invisible dots a lot more users would be happy too.
Me-thinks Apple have some very young graduate ‘geniuses’ who have never really had much experience using the OS in real work situations making decisions about stuff to change and remove just so they can say ‘Look at me! I’ve done something important!’
Me-thinks Apple have some very young graduate ‘geniuses’ who have never really had much experience using the OS in real work situations making decisions about stuff to change and remove just so they can say ‘Look at me! I’ve done something important!’
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Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?Seriously who is still using iTunes to sync Contacts and Calendars in this day and age?
Honest to god, I can't understand WTF people think they and what they do is the only damn thing other people also do and that the whole world somehow revolves around their decisions and that of their similar minded and/or aged friends. Some of us care about privacy and don't want all our information floating around the planet on every server owned by god only knows who that could potentially intercept that information when it's not necessary to do so. Believe it or not, I don't even own a "smart" phone. It's not worth $70+ a month to me to text people where I am and what I'm doing when neither I or they gives a crap what I'm doing or what they're doing. If I have something to say to someone, I do the ancient thing, CALL them instead of treating them like they're a mass chain mail with "text". And with the $62 on average I save a month, I can buy a brand new Macbook Pro every other year instead with that money which I actually use instead of walking around trying to surf the Internet while I'm walking with my thumbs which is in no way comfortable to do.
Young people today apparently don't gives two whole thoughts about PRIVACY at all and realize that putting all your personal information online and in some server called the "cloud" somewhere isn't really a smart thing to do. People wonder how and why their identities are being stolen like never before and it's because people don't do a damn thing to protect themselves like keeping private information private. You have zero expectancy of privacy when you post everything you do online and worse yet through open WiFi etc. Cyber-crime is rising at unprecedented rates and people are just willy-nilly throwing everything about themselves around the Internet when NO ONE and I mean NO ONE needs to know those things online.
WTF is the point of Facebook and Twitter and constantly texting everyone where you are and what you're doing 24/7? As if you're a superstar and the world is just utterly fascinated with every breath you take. Putting crap in the "Cloud" is a sure-fire way to hand your contacts and bookmarks to anyone that wants them, particularly the corporations that run them and promise privacy one day and then turn-around the next day and announced they've changed their privacy policy and here, it's 30 pages long, please read it and expect it to change again next week and every week until everyone is so sick of seeing it, that if they EVER took the time to read it even ONCE, they won't do it every week. Pretty soon you don't even realize you've given them permission to share your data with everyone on earth.
It amazes me that people are in such a rage about the NSA spying on them and yet they freely allow all their personal information to float around private corporate servers 24/7. It's unreal. People can't even see the sheer hypocrisy in it all.
So yeah, I'd like to sync my contacts and other personal information locally. It's none of Apple's business who I'm friends with, what plumber I use or what pizza places I frequent. And woe to all the short-sighted people that don't give two thoughts to privacy or security. They will be the first ones to have their backs up against the wall when the crap hits the proverbial fan. But hey, that's their choice. Just don't force me to sync everything I do online or buy some Chromebook POS that practically needs to be online to even use a calculator application....
I havent seen evidence that this update will fix the Mail account sync. That is definitely the important part. If you are good and change your passwords frequently, this local sync saves you hours.
I'm not sure why you think you can't sync more than one device to iCloud. I do it and so do millions of others. It's pretty much why iCloud exists.
The Cloud is not going away and it is going to become increasingly important in technology, not just with Apple. This is a step backward and will impede progress in technology. What valid reason could someone have for not wanting to use cloud technology? Don't say privacy or NSA is spying on me, etc. That's unfounded and not a valid reason. Most if not all cloud services are encrypted, including Apple's iCloud. Apple only extremely rarely releases limited information to authorities only in the most severe (court ordered) cases.
I take it you never share your phone number with anyone in that case. Because if you do and at least one of your contacts uses iCloud or whatever online service, your info is already out there. You personally using iCloud or not won't make a single difference.
I concur, you can definitely get 5+ devices on an iCloud account, it's just a matter of space. Maybe he hasn't said it but he uses too much space?
Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?
Honest to god, I can't understand WTF people think they and what they do is the only damn thing other people also do and that the whole world somehow revolves around their decisions and that of their similar minded and/or aged friends. Some of us care about privacy and don't want all our information floating around the planet on every server owned by god only knows who that could potentially intercept that information when it's not necessary to do so. Believe it or not, I don't even own a "smart" phone. It's not worth $70+ a month to me to text people where I am and what I'm doing when neither I or they gives a crap what I'm doing or what they're doing. If I have something to say to someone, I do the ancient thing, CALL them instead of treating them like they're a mass chain mail with "text". And with the $62 on average I save a month, I can buy a brand new Macbook Pro every other year instead with that money which I actually use instead of walking around trying to surf the Internet while I'm walking with my thumbs which is in no way comfortable to do.
Young people today apparently don't gives two whole thoughts about PRIVACY at all and realize that putting all your personal information online and in some server called the "cloud" somewhere isn't really a smart thing to do. People wonder how and why their identities are being stolen like never before and it's because people don't do a damn thing to protect themselves like keeping private information private. You have zero expectancy of privacy when you post everything you do online and worse yet through open WiFi etc. Cyber-crime is rising at unprecedented rates and people are just willy-nilly throwing everything about themselves around the Internet when NO ONE and I mean NO ONE needs to know those things online.
WTF is the point of Facebook and Twitter and constantly texting everyone where you are and what you're doing 24/7? As if you're a superstar and the world is just utterly fascinated with every breath you take. Putting crap in the "Cloud" is a sure-fire way to hand your contacts and bookmarks to anyone that wants them, particularly the corporations that run them and promise privacy one day and then turn-around the next day and announced they've changed their privacy policy and here, it's 30 pages long, please read it and expect it to change again next week and every week until everyone is so sick of seeing it, that if they EVER took the time to read it even ONCE, they won't do it every week. Pretty soon you don't even realize you've given them permission to share your data with everyone on earth.
It amazes me that people are in such a rage about the NSA spying on them and yet they freely allow all their personal information to float around private corporate servers 24/7. It's unreal. People can't even see the sheer hypocrisy in it all.
So yeah, I'd like to sync my contacts and other personal information locally. It's none of Apple's business who I'm friends with, what plumber I use or what pizza places I frequent. And woe to all the short-sighted people that don't give two thoughts to privacy or security. They will be the first ones to have their backs up against the wall when the crap hits the proverbial fan. But hey, that's their choice. Just don't force me to sync everything I do online or buy some Chromebook POS that practically needs to be online to even use a calculator application....
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Long post you have there, but this topic warrants it. I was outraged when I realized local contact syncing was taken away with Mavericks. Lets just say that now that it's back, I will be VERY careful about ever upgrading my MacOS again until I'm sure that they hadn't changed their minds back to forcing us on the cloud.
"Impede progress". Ridiculous. Reducing options and ways to manage my PERSONAL information is not progress.
The cloud isn't going away - that's for sure. All we're saying is please don't take our choice away to not use it.
You do realize that even when you use iCloud to sync your contacts, the contacts are still stored locally on your device and when you backup your computer using Time Machine or whatever, the contacts get backed up, right?
In fact this it how it works for all of iCloud. Unlike Google's services, iCloud lets you store your data on your own computers and devices. You're not accessing someone else's servers to access your data. So when you do a backup, you get the benefit of both worlds. Synced devices and local backups of your data.
I do! ;^)
The other big issue is the ability to get to the cloud. Just this morning, I woke to yet another Internet outage in my area (good-sized city of 250K in the SF Bay Area). The reality is that it's not yet as reliable as electricity.
I think I was more peeved that the functionality was removed without really letting us know - a little bit of info buried in a release note isn't what I was expecting.
My $0.02 . . .
You may think iCloud (and others) are safe and secure, but if you have clients that don't agree and don't want their info "out there", then you need to respect that and provide a local storage mechanism.Seriously who is still using iTunes to sync Contacts and Calendars in this day and age?
The other big issue is the ability to get to the cloud. Just this morning, I woke to yet another Internet outage in my area (good-sized city of 250K in the SF Bay Area). The reality is that it's not yet as reliable as electricity.
I think I was more peeved that the functionality was removed without really letting us know - a little bit of info buried in a release note isn't what I was expecting.
My $0.02 . . .
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I can see why some people would want this feature, but iTunes completely screwed up my contacts when it was managing both local and iCloud contacts. I ended up with two copies of every contact, and if I deleted one, sometimes both would be deleted. This should be an advanced option that is not turned on by default.
Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?
Apple clearly thought enough people agreed to remove it as a design decision. They have way more data about their customers than you do.
I see this is a major issue for users in the future and I don't mean just the cloud stuff.
When Apple releases a new version of the OS they make a huge amount of noise about all the wonderful whistles & bells they've added, you'll find they have pages & pages of info dedicated to telling you what they've added.
But nowhere, not even in tech support documents, can you find information about what they have REMOVED.
I believe Apple have a responsibility to provide this information about removed features so users can make appropriately informed decisions about upgrading.
We use our Macs primarily for work and have a set workflow that allows all of us in our small business to easily do simple stuff. Changes brought about with Mavericks due to needlessly dropped features have really messed up workflow for us.
The only way I found out about these changes was when I found features missing after updating. Sorry, but thats wrong on many levels on Apples behalf.
Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?
I didn't assume anything. I asked a question.
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If they don't want their contact information in the cloud then they'll need to stop sharing it with people. Very few people are going to go to the trouble of pissing around with iTunes Sync anymore for anyone. It's just not realistic. Cloud syncing services are just far too convenient for people.
I use iTunes all the time but I agree there should be a web version. They should also break it up to be a bunch of mini apps like iOS... music, videos, podcasts, etc. instead of the monolithic app that iTunes is today and create a dedicated sync app for syncing content across all devices.
Like Apple's stance has been saying for the past year or so, "If you never change anything then what you can engineer is kind of incremental. But when youre willing to change things then you kind of open up a whole new world of design." This is a valid and very true.
At long last!
I'm one of those people who value my privacy (I don't do social networks of any kind) and want to keep as much personal info off the cloud as possible. There never was a good argument (at least for me) for keeping my contact info out there and when Apple removed it without telling people, I was seriously PO'ed.
I'm glad they've listened to their user base and are responding accordingly. Apple has always been about choice...and the person controlling the computer, as it should be always. A very good step in the proper direction, and I thank them.
I'm one of those people who value my privacy (I don't do social networks of any kind) and want to keep as much personal info off the cloud as possible. There never was a good argument (at least for me) for keeping my contact info out there and when Apple removed it without telling people, I was seriously PO'ed.
I'm glad they've listened to their user base and are responding accordingly. Apple has always been about choice...and the person controlling the computer, as it should be always. A very good step in the proper direction, and I thank them.
Except when it removes options, flexibility & forces linear functionality & thinking onto users...
Hear, hear!!!
This is just spot on!
This is just spot on!
Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?
Honest to god, I can't understand WTF people think they and what they do is the only damn thing other people also do and that the whole world somehow revolves around their decisions and that of their similar minded and/or aged friends. Some of us care about privacy and don't want all our information floating around the planet on every server owned by god only knows who that could potentially intercept that information when it's not necessary to do so. Believe it or not, I don't even own a "smart" phone. It's not worth $70+ a month to me to text people where I am and what I'm doing when neither I or they gives a crap what I'm doing or what they're doing. If I have something to say to someone, I do the ancient thing, CALL them instead of treating them like they're a mass chain mail with "text". And with the $62 on average I save a month, I can buy a brand new Macbook Pro every other year instead with that money which I actually use instead of walking around trying to surf the Internet while I'm walking with my thumbs which is in no way comfortable to do.
Young people today apparently don't gives two whole thoughts about PRIVACY at all and realize that putting all your personal information online and in some server called the "cloud" somewhere isn't really a smart thing to do. People wonder how and why their identities are being stolen like never before and it's because people don't do a damn thing to protect themselves like keeping private information private. You have zero expectancy of privacy when you post everything you do online and worse yet through open WiFi etc. Cyber-crime is rising at unprecedented rates and people are just willy-nilly throwing everything about themselves around the Internet when NO ONE and I mean NO ONE needs to know those things online.
WTF is the point of Facebook and Twitter and constantly texting everyone where you are and what you're doing 24/7? As if you're a superstar and the world is just utterly fascinated with every breath you take. Putting crap in the "Cloud" is a sure-fire way to hand your contacts and bookmarks to anyone that wants them, particularly the corporations that run them and promise privacy one day and then turn-around the next day and announced they've changed their privacy policy and here, it's 30 pages long, please read it and expect it to change again next week and every week until everyone is so sick of seeing it, that if they EVER took the time to read it even ONCE, they won't do it every week. Pretty soon you don't even realize you've given them permission to share your data with everyone on earth.
It amazes me that people are in such a rage about the NSA spying on them and yet they freely allow all their personal information to float around private corporate servers 24/7. It's unreal. People can't even see the sheer hypocrisy in it all.
So yeah, I'd like to sync my contacts and other personal information locally. It's none of Apple's business who I'm friends with, what plumber I use or what pizza places I frequent. And woe to all the short-sighted people that don't give two thoughts to privacy or security. They will be the first ones to have their backs up against the wall when the crap hits the proverbial fan. But hey, that's their choice. Just don't force me to sync everything I do online or buy some Chromebook POS that practically needs to be online to even use a calculator application....
Seriously, who the frack are YOU to assume everyone thinks the same way you do?
Honest to god, I can't understand WTF people think they and what they do is the only damn thing other people also do and that the whole world somehow revolves around their decisions and that of their similar minded and/or aged friends. Some of us care about privacy and don't want all our information floating around the planet on every server owned by god only knows who that could potentially intercept that information when it's not necessary to do so. Believe it or not, I don't even own a "smart" phone. It's not worth $70+ a month to me to text people where I am and what I'm doing when neither I or they gives a crap what I'm doing or what they're doing. If I have something to say to someone, I do the ancient thing, CALL them instead of treating them like they're a mass chain mail with "text". And with the $62 on average I save a month, I can buy a brand new Macbook Pro every other year instead with that money which I actually use instead of walking around trying to surf the Internet while I'm walking with my thumbs which is in no way comfortable to do.
Young people today apparently don't gives two whole thoughts about PRIVACY at all and realize that putting all your personal information online and in some server called the "cloud" somewhere isn't really a smart thing to do. People wonder how and why their identities are being stolen like never before and it's because people don't do a damn thing to protect themselves like keeping private information private. You have zero expectancy of privacy when you post everything you do online and worse yet through open WiFi etc. Cyber-crime is rising at unprecedented rates and people are just willy-nilly throwing everything about themselves around the Internet when NO ONE and I mean NO ONE needs to know those things online.
WTF is the point of Facebook and Twitter and constantly texting everyone where you are and what you're doing 24/7? As if you're a superstar and the world is just utterly fascinated with every breath you take. Putting crap in the "Cloud" is a sure-fire way to hand your contacts and bookmarks to anyone that wants them, particularly the corporations that run them and promise privacy one day and then turn-around the next day and announced they've changed their privacy policy and here, it's 30 pages long, please read it and expect it to change again next week and every week until everyone is so sick of seeing it, that if they EVER took the time to read it even ONCE, they won't do it every week. Pretty soon you don't even realize you've given them permission to share your data with everyone on earth.
It amazes me that people are in such a rage about the NSA spying on them and yet they freely allow all their personal information to float around private corporate servers 24/7. It's unreal. People can't even see the sheer hypocrisy in it all.
So yeah, I'd like to sync my contacts and other personal information locally. It's none of Apple's business who I'm friends with, what plumber I use or what pizza places I frequent. And woe to all the short-sighted people that don't give two thoughts to privacy or security. They will be the first ones to have their backs up against the wall when the crap hits the proverbial fan. But hey, that's their choice. Just don't force me to sync everything I do online or buy some Chromebook POS that practically needs to be online to even use a calculator application....
Hate to point this out to you but it's just as damaging to even use a phone. If you call or send texts or use the internet, you're just as much a hypocrite as you called everyone else! Except, you know, you stand there preaching at everybody about how different you are. Here's a tin foil hat for you.
My 2 cents: Fair enough if that's how you feel, but don't go around labelling everyone else stupid and insulting folk because they don't think like you. That'll get you on the wrong side of many a person.
how is calling a number same or similar as hosting your phone book online?
make it work on 10.5.8 as well and that solves a problem for a 5s user i know about.
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