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Nexus 5

SeenJeen said:
If the "Always Listening" rumor is true, sign me up for the Nexus 5.

I probably use Siri more than the average user, and not having to hold the home button (and the general responsiveness of Google's voice servers) would be amazing.
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Yeah not having a decent personal assistant on Android, specifically a stock one from Google, is an achilles heel IMO. If they can eliminate the button press it may go some way to alleviating the goofiness Google now/search have as a personal assistant.
 
A new (and completely unverifiable rumor) is claiming that along with the Nexus 5, Google will be releasing an LTE model of the Nexus 4. The reasoning for this would be to keep the $299 price point with a 16GB model Nexus 4 LTE, and the models would bump up $50 from there. That would put the 32GB Nexus 4 LTE at $349, the base 16GB Nexus 5 at $399, and the 32GB Nexus 5 at $449.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rumor-talks-Nexus-5-price-and-possible-Nexus-4-LTE-model_id48314

Bummer. Still a great price for the Nexus 5, but... was hoping to save even more money.

EDIT: Actually, what the heck? I don't believe this rumor at all. Nexus 4 is done done, no? They're not going to produce more, are they? If they were producing more, even with LTE bands, couldn't they also continue producing Nexus 4 (non-LTE) versions? Did they really have to eliminate the Nexus 4 production to produce Nexus 4's with LTE radios? I'd think not, no? Why would Google/LG turn down the money that a continued fire-sale of the Nexus 4 would bring in? Doesn't add up..

I'm going to file this rumor as false. Just a gut feeling.


Furthermore!

Wasn't the fire sale of the Nexus 4 $199 and $249? So by adding LTE, they're going to bump it back up one hundred bucks to $299?

Not bloody likely!
 
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onthecouchagain said:
A new (and completely unverifiable rumor) is claiming that along with the Nexus 5, Google will be releasing an LTE model of the Nexus 4. The reasoning for this would be to keep the $299 price point with a 16GB model Nexus 4 LTE, and the models would bump up $50 from there. That would put the 32GB Nexus 4 LTE at $349, the base 16GB Nexus 5 at $399, and the 32GB Nexus 5 at $449.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rumor-talks-Nexus-5-price-and-possible-Nexus-4-LTE-model_id48314

Bummer. Still a great price for the Nexus 5, but... was hoping to save even more money.

EDIT: Actually, what the heck? I don't believe this rumor at all. Nexus 4 is done done, no? They're not going to produce more, are they? If they were producing more, even with LTE bands, couldn't they also continue producing Nexus 4 (non-LTE) versions? Did they really have to eliminate the Nexus 4 production to produce Nexus 4's with LTE radios? I'd think not, no?

I'm going to file this rumor as false. Just a gut feeling.
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Yea I am not buying this either. It is pretty clear that they stopped producing the N4.
 
onthecouchagain said:
A new (and completely unverifiable rumor) is claiming that along with the Nexus 5, Google will be releasing an LTE model of the Nexus 4. The reasoning for this would be to keep the $299 price point with a 16GB model Nexus 4 LTE, and the models would bump up $50 from there. That would put the 32GB Nexus 4 LTE at $349, the base 16GB Nexus 5 at $399, and the 32GB Nexus 5 at $449.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rumor-talks-Nexus-5-price-and-possible-Nexus-4-LTE-model_id48314

Bummer. Still a great price for the Nexus 5, but... was hoping to save even more money.

EDIT: Actually, what the heck? I don't believe this rumor at all. Nexus 4 is done done, no? They're not going to produce more, are they? If they were producing more, even with LTE bands, couldn't they also continue producing Nexus 4 (non-LTE) versions? Did they really have to eliminate the Nexus 4 production to produce Nexus 4's with LTE radios? I'd think not, no? Why would Google/LG turn down the money that a continued fire-sale of the Nexus 4 would bring in? Doesn't add up..

I'm going to file this rumor as false. Just a gut feeling.
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Also, wasn't the current nexus 4 capable of LTE it just needed to go through some kind of approval process?
 
THE JUICEMAN said:
New rumor. I don't want this. Nexus 4 to remain with LTE and Nexus 5 to be more expensive. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/pocketnow/~3/_l2tJ-etgTo/lte-nexus-4
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I find this rumor highly unlikely. I explain here:

EDIT: Actually, what the heck? I don't believe this rumor at all. Nexus 4 is done done, no? They're not going to produce more, are they? If they were producing more, even with LTE bands, couldn't they also continue producing Nexus 4 (non-LTE) versions? Did they really have to eliminate the Nexus 4 production to produce Nexus 4's with LTE radios? I'd think not, no? Why would Google/LG turn down the money that a continued fire-sale of the Nexus 4 would bring in? Doesn't add up..
 
onthecouchagain said:
I find this rumor highly unlikely. I explain here:

EDIT: Actually, what the heck? I don't believe this rumor at all. Nexus 4 is done done, no? They're not going to produce more, are they? If they were producing more, even with LTE bands, couldn't they also continue producing Nexus 4 (non-LTE) versions? Did they really have to eliminate the Nexus 4 production to produce Nexus 4's with LTE radios? I'd think not, no? Why would Google/LG turn down the money that a continued fire-sale of the Nexus 4 would bring in? Doesn't add up..
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Agreed. Like you said I don't think they would stop selling it just to re-release it a month later with LTE supported.
 
Furthermore!

Wasn't the fire sale of the Nexus 4 $199 and $249? So by adding LTE, they're going to bump it back up one hundred bucks to $299?

Not bloody likely!

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mattopotamus said:
Also, wasn't the current nexus 4 capable of LTE it just needed to go through some kind of approval process?
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Something like that.
 
onthecouchagain said:
Furthermore!

Wasn't the fire sale of the Nexus 4 $199 and $249? So by adding LTE, they're going to bump it back up one hundred bucks to $299?

Not bloody likely!
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This whole thing is about as likely as a 32GB Nexus 5 with a 3000 mAh battery.

And didn't we already see a much more credible rumor saying the Nexus 5 will be half the cost of an iPhone?

16GB iPhone = 650. Rumored 16GB Nexus 5 = 400.

650/2 != 400

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onthecouchagain said:
Something like that.
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Although the current Nexus 4 supports some LTE band, I remember hearing it isn't officially supported because, in addition to certifications/approval, it is missing certain radio amplifiers for LTE.
 
onthecouchagain said:
Furthermore!

Wasn't the fire sale of the Nexus 4 $199 and $249? So by adding LTE, they're going to bump it back up one hundred bucks to $299?

Not bloody likely!

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Something like that.
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Agreed. No way Google brings back the year old nexus 4 just to add LTE. That would be just crazy.
 
Google needs their "yep" guy. No more guessing about announcement dates without announcing officially :cool:
 
Its kind of surprising that not one of the tech blogs/bloggers have mentioned anything about the Nexus' rumored release today. I still hope for something at the Verges mobile show.
 
spinedoc77 said:
Yeah not having a decent personal assistant on Android, specifically a stock one from Google, is an achilles heel IMO. If they can eliminate the button press it may go some way to alleviating the goofiness Google now/search have as a personal assistant.
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From what I've seen Google Now works on-par with Siri...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LvJOFTlGo

Now fails here, and Siri fails there, but in the end they're neck and neck.
 
teknikal90 said:
i dont know...i use siri every day and im getting more and more of those 'im really sorry about this...'
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This is why I'm thinking about switching to Android (pref the Nexus line)...

Siri is unreliable. Google Now at least has instant feedback.

Like the saying goes, "Google is getting better at design faster than Apple is at services"
 
Does SIRI still require data/wifi to do dictation?

SIRI may be the better personal assistant, but dictation and actually getting what I'm saying right goes to Google voice and Now. Dictating a text with Google voice is unbelievably reliable and accurate. It also types out what you're saying on the fly, so you can see your mistakes (though they are very few).

Whereas with Siri, if a message you're dictating starts to get long, after you're done and it finally generates the text, there's a ton of errors and even missing words. Dictation was frustrating as heck.
 
onthecouchagain said:
Does SIRI still require data/wifi to do dictation?

SIRI may be the better personal assistant, but dictation and actually getting what I'm saying right goes to Google voice and Now. Dictating a text with Google voice is unbelievably reliable and accurate. It also types out what you're saying on the fly, so you can see your mistakes.

Whereas with Siri, if a message you're dictating starts to get long, after you're done and it finally generates the text, there's a ton of errors and even missing words. Dictation was frustrating as heck.
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Yes, you need to be connected to use Siri. And AFAIK Google allows you to use offline dictation.

Screw it, I'm selling my iPhone 4S and buying a Nexus 4 until the Nexus 5 is easily obtainable. :D
 
F123D said:
I really wanted to order one today.. :(
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Even if it was announced today I seriously doubt they would have been up for order. But we can dream :)

onthecouchagain said:
Does SIRI still require data/wifi to do dictation?

SIRI may be the better personal assistant, but dictation and actually getting what I'm saying right goes to Google voice and Now. Dictating a text with Google voice is unbelievably reliable and accurate. It also types out what you're saying on the fly, so you can see your mistakes (though they are very few).

Whereas with Siri, if a message you're dictating starts to get long, after you're done and it finally generates the text, there's a ton of errors and even missing words. Dictation was frustrating as heck.
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Siri has been reliable for me in the past. Plus with Siri you can send a text by voice without touch input. And you can edit your message and have it read it back to you if you can't look at your screen. Google Now is missing a lot of personal assistant features that would make it truly hands free.
 
SeenJeen said:
From what I've seen Google Now works on-par with Siri...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LvJOFTlGo

Now fails here, and Siri fails there, but in the end they're neck and neck.
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No way, at least in the way I use my phone. Siri trounces Google in this category IMO. Siri puts phone functions first, it's very good at knowing what you want out of it. Google pushes you into internet searches and slants you that way.

Once again though that's just the way I use my phone, others might like it and prefer it.
 
spinedoc77 said:
No way, at least in the way I use my phone. Siri trounces Google in this category IMO. Siri puts phone functions first, it's very good at knowing what you want out of it. Google pushes you into internet searches and slants you that way.

Once again though that's just the way I use my phone, others might like it and prefer it.
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Absolutely true. With Google Now, try setting a reminder without touching the screen, try creating a calendar event, sending an email, or sending a text. None of which can be done without touching the screen. Siri, however can do all of that. Plus it can read back the text you want to send, confirm calendar dates, tell you what you have planned, and confirm reminders.

When I had an iPhone, I would use Siri for voice only actions a couple times a week. I almost never use Google Now. It's just not as functional for what I want to do.
 
strausd said:
Absolutely true. With Google Now, try setting a reminder without touching the screen, try creating a calendar event, sending an email, or sending a text. None of which can be done without touching the screen. Siri, however can do all of that. Plus it can read back the text you want to send, confirm calendar dates, tell you what you have planned, and confirm reminders.

When I had an iPhone, I would use Siri for voice only actions a couple times a week. I almost never use Google Now. It's just not as functional for what I want to do.
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Siri...works very well most of the time. But to be fair....to use Siri you need to touch your phone as well.......Have you tried the Moto X? You do not have to touch the phone to use Google Now on the Moto X. It is always listening. I think that kind of Google Now functionality is coming to future Nexus phones.....
 
jamezr said:
Siri...works very well most of the time. But to be fair....to use Siri you need to touch your phone as well.......Have you tried the Moto X? You do not have to touch the phone to use Google Now on the Moto X. It is always listening. I think that kind of Google Now functionality is coming to future Nexus phones.....
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That's pretty powerful for sure. I'm looking forward to that.

Just to throw a wrench in your well laid response though. :) When I put on my bluetooth headset and press it's button Siri comes up, the iphone also knows what to route thru the headset, and is intelligent about it, for example pausing navigation voice if I'm on a phone call.

Contrast that with Google now which has no ability whatsoever to be activated with the bluetooth headset button, trust me I searched for hours on the internet and XDA devs for a solution. Android doesn't have a clue what to route to the headset and not route, half the time I get sound in the headset, half the time on the phone itself. Android also isn't smart enough to mediate sound, for example if I'm navigating and on a phone call sure enough the navigation directions will be blared into my ear while I'm talking. It's these little polished things that are missing, and that's besides the entire forced internet search thing, and having to click confirmation X's for everything that should be inputless.

I'd be curious also how the MotoX and Nexus 5 pick up your voice to activate Google Now when you are in a noisy car for example. Sometimes you do need a button, although I'd be happy with simply the ability to use my bluetooth headset button. The lack of which I consider a pretty stupid blunder.
 
jamezr said:
Siri...works very well most of the time. But to be fair....to use Siri you need to touch your phone as well.......Have you tried the Moto X? You do not have to touch the phone to use Google Now on the Moto X. It is always listening. I think that kind of Google Now functionality is coming to future Nexus phones.....
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Touching the screen and touching the phone are different. Ok, its cool that the Moto X is always listening. But whats the point when you are required to touch the screen to confirm actions? At least on the iPhone you have a physical button to invoke Siri. You never have to look at your device.

If you are driving and need to send a text to your significant other without taking your eyes off the road, you can do it with Siri, you can't with Google Now. Or if you are running and have a headset in, you can create calendar events with Siri, you can't with Google Now. Maybe you are laying in bed and you don't want the bright screen to shine on your eyes but you need to set a reminder. You can do that with Siri, but not Google now.

Sure, always listening is a cool feature. But it is crippled by Google Now. Implement always listening with a personal assistant that actually allows you to perform actions by voice and it would really take it one step further. The Moto X doesn't really move you one step forward towards hands free operation thanks to Google Now requiring touch input. At most, it takes you a step forward on a treadmill. In an ideal world, the always listening feature would be on iPhones and Siris ability to not require touch input for voice actions would be implemented into Google Now. They both have flaws. But with my usage, having a physical home button you can touch without ever looking at your phone and doing all actions by voice easily beats the no physical button and requiring touch input.
 
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