Nice keynote Apple, lying like a pro!

Small White Car

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Just because a blogger can't read a chart, that's not Apple lying.

Who looks at a chart that has % on the side and gets confused and thinks it's showing overall numbers?

That guy, apparently.

His inability to read is not a story, though.
 

Big.Mac.Daddy

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I knew there was something fishy about those statistics.
Who really pays attention to a company stroking themselves over statistics besides stock brokers? :confused:

If someone does they need to lay off the nerd juice and get out of the house a little.
 

matttye

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Lying is maybe a strong word, misleading is more suitable. They paint the picture that these statistics are impressive, when they're actually far from it.

Windows probably outsold Mac in a few days, it's just the massively high market share that prevents Windows from being able to match Apple's user adoption %.
 

LethalWolfe

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So during Apple's keynote at Apple's conference Apple painted itself in the best light possible by fudging numbers. This is noteworthy?

All companies do this. Never believe any marketing material that any company presents about itself. If you went to a Burger King keynote would you expect them to talk about how great McDonald's is doing?


Lethal
 

Rodimus Prime

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I consider the keynotes to be a marketing event and information our of marketing in general is worth as much as the stuff I flush down the toilet
 

Demosthenes X

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Windows probably outsold Mac in a few days, it's just the massively high market share that prevents Windows from being able to match Apple's user adoption %.
I don't think you understand how a percentage works... :rolleyes:

If you want to pick on Apple for misleading charts, use the fact that they're comparing different calendar months. I do think there's an argument for that (it is an accurate reflection of adoption at the same interval from release, after all). But it can also be influenced by release dates: if Apple uses November/December in its figures and February in Microsoft's, then Apple's numbers reflect holiday sales and Microsoft's don't.

The point is, it's an Apple presentation. Of course they're going to paint themselves in a good light. It doesn't make them liars, and it equally doesn't mean we should accept what they say at face value.
 

boss.king

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I generally never trust the stats anyone gives in a presentation because they have undoubtably been picked and tweaked to benefit whatever they are selling you.
 

Abstract

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From the article said:
It's easy for Apple to win this statistic as they have far fewer users in the field and when each one updates, it makes a bigger dent than if one Microsoft consumer upgrades.
Apple displayed the percentage uptake, not absolute sales. Of course Windows would win based on absolute numbers -- they have a bigger marketshare.

What this adoption percentage indicates is that Mac owners want to upgrade, and Windows PC owners probably wait until they get it for free on their next computer. Yes, some will purchase the upgrade, but if Windows owners were really upgrading like Mac owners were, their data would be a lot closer to that of Apple's.
 

Demosthenes X

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What this adoption percentage indicates is that Mac owners want to upgrade, and Windows PC owners probably wait until they get it for free on their next computer. Yes, some will purchase the upgrade, but if Windows owners were really upgrading like Mac owners were, their data would be a lot closer to that of Apple's.
I think this has more to do with corporate timelines for things like upgrading. My work only recently finished rolling out Windows 7 to everyone. You can bet they won't be moving to Windows 8 for a long time, if at all.
 

LethalWolfe

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I think this has more to do with corporate timelines for things like upgrading. My work only recently finished rolling out Windows 7 to everyone. You can bet they won't be moving to Windows 8 for a long time, if at all.
That's a good point. At the last corporate job I had we were about 2yrs 'behind' across the board for major updates (Mac or PC).
 

danahn17

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To be honest, one of the first things you find out when you learn statistics is that the same data and statistics can be used to prove completely different/opposite points if you frame it correctly. Just look at politics if you don't believe me :p

Always good to look into the stats yourself instead of just relying on what is fed to you :)
 

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