Nice keynote Apple, lying like a pro!

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by matttye, Jun 12, 2012.

  1. Small White Car macrumors G4

    Small White Car

    Aug 29, 2006
    Washington DC
    Just because a blogger can't read a chart, that's not Apple lying.

    Who looks at a chart that has % on the side and gets confused and thinks it's showing overall numbers?

    That guy, apparently.

    His inability to read is not a story, though.
  2. Big.Mac.Daddy macrumors 6502a

    Jun 5, 2012
    Who really pays attention to a company stroking themselves over statistics besides stock brokers? :confused:

    If someone does they need to lay off the nerd juice and get out of the house a little.
  3. nuckinfutz macrumors 603


    Jul 3, 2002
    Middle Earth
    Statistical nerd rage lol.

    Don't care about the numbers really.

    " Win the crowd Maximus"
  4. matttye thread starter macrumors 601

    Mar 25, 2009
    Lincoln, England
    Lying is maybe a strong word, misleading is more suitable. They paint the picture that these statistics are impressive, when they're actually far from it.

    Windows probably outsold Mac in a few days, it's just the massively high market share that prevents Windows from being able to match Apple's user adoption %.
  5. LethalWolfe macrumors G3


    Jan 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    So during Apple's keynote at Apple's conference Apple painted itself in the best light possible by fudging numbers. This is noteworthy?

    All companies do this. Never believe any marketing material that any company presents about itself. If you went to a Burger King keynote would you expect them to talk about how great McDonald's is doing?

  6. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    I consider the keynotes to be a marketing event and information our of marketing in general is worth as much as the stuff I flush down the toilet
  7. Demosthenes X macrumors 68000

    Demosthenes X

    Oct 21, 2008
    I don't think you understand how a percentage works... :rolleyes:

    If you want to pick on Apple for misleading charts, use the fact that they're comparing different calendar months. I do think there's an argument for that (it is an accurate reflection of adoption at the same interval from release, after all). But it can also be influenced by release dates: if Apple uses November/December in its figures and February in Microsoft's, then Apple's numbers reflect holiday sales and Microsoft's don't.

    The point is, it's an Apple presentation. Of course they're going to paint themselves in a good light. It doesn't make them liars, and it equally doesn't mean we should accept what they say at face value.
  8. boss.king macrumors 68040


    Apr 8, 2009
    I generally never trust the stats anyone gives in a presentation because they have undoubtably been picked and tweaked to benefit whatever they are selling you.
  9. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    Apple displayed the percentage uptake, not absolute sales. Of course Windows would win based on absolute numbers -- they have a bigger marketshare.

    What this adoption percentage indicates is that Mac owners want to upgrade, and Windows PC owners probably wait until they get it for free on their next computer. Yes, some will purchase the upgrade, but if Windows owners were really upgrading like Mac owners were, their data would be a lot closer to that of Apple's.
  10. charlieegan3 macrumors 68020


    Feb 16, 2012
    as long as the stats are true on the new retina MBP i'm happy.
  11. Demosthenes X macrumors 68000

    Demosthenes X

    Oct 21, 2008
    I think this has more to do with corporate timelines for things like upgrading. My work only recently finished rolling out Windows 7 to everyone. You can bet they won't be moving to Windows 8 for a long time, if at all.
  12. LethalWolfe macrumors G3


    Jan 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    That's a good point. At the last corporate job I had we were about 2yrs 'behind' across the board for major updates (Mac or PC).
  13. danahn17 macrumors 6502

    Dec 3, 2009
    To be honest, one of the first things you find out when you learn statistics is that the same data and statistics can be used to prove completely different/opposite points if you frame it correctly. Just look at politics if you don't believe me :p

    Always good to look into the stats yourself instead of just relying on what is fed to you :)

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