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You are such an idiot. It is called Vendor relations. When you are a big company you have to care how you get your products. If apple were buying their products from slave owners, it would be a big problem.

There are many other companies who have their products assembled by Foxconn.

Will we see another Nightline report about the workers who make the multitude of Android devices?

And that brings me to another question: Are the workers who assemble Apple products treated differently than the workers who assemble products for Vizio and Nintendo?
 
They really shoulda gone more in depth, they've blown an oppurtunity that dosen't come along very often.

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... Because it's an assembly line. each person only adds one part.

How in depth could you go in a 21 minute show edited down from prolly 2-3 days of tape.
 
And this is why companies like Apple outsource to China. There is no way you would be able to get Americans to work 12 hours on an assembly line making $1.78 per hour. Imagine what that iPhone would cost if it were made in Detroit by union workers!

Give it about 10 years. This is why there is so much negative press on American unions and a majority of the population now believe that the work force would be better without any representation whatsoever.

When the day comes that the last union has been eliminated in the U.S., corporations will bring manufacturing back here and have free reign to create deplorable work conditions.

Nothing will stop this from happening. The wheels were set in motion during the Regan administration.
 
And this is why companies like Apple outsource to China. There is no way you would be able to get Americans to work 12 hours on an assembly line making $1.78 per hour. Imagine what that iPhone would cost if it were made in Detroit by union workers!

According to this NYTimes article it would cost around $65 more per iPhone to pay American wages. The wage is seeming a small hurdle comparatively speaking. I recommend reading the whole thing as it's a really good article, IMO.

It is hard to estimate how much more it would cost to build iPhones in the United States. However, various academics and manufacturing analysts estimate that because labor is such a small part of technology manufacturing, paying American wages would add up to $65 to each iPhone’s expense. Since Apple’s profits are often hundreds of dollars per phone, building domestically, in theory, would still give the company a healthy reward.

But such calculations are, in many respects, meaningless because building the iPhone in the United States would demand much more than hiring Americans — it would require transforming the national and global economies. Apple executives believe there simply aren’t enough American workers with the skills the company needs or factories with sufficient speed and flexibility. Other companies that work with Apple, like Corning, also say they must go abroad.


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Apple and the rest of the world...

Just because the jobs are in demand, does not give you the right to be a pig and pay dog food wages while you roll in ungodly profits.

Sony does not have a machine that runs OSX, but at least the Z is made in Japan where people are paid accordingly for the work done.

Perhaps we should start thinking different on what we buy Apple.
 
There will be stages in the process where iPads are stationary waiting for glue to dry, QA, etc. There's no way it takes 5 days of full-time work to build each iPad.
I figure they go through a dryer/heater at some point for say up to an hour, but I'd think quality checks are done immediately inside the assembly line, and the higher pay of managers on site would even that hour or so out. It would make sense to ensure that no parts are ever sitting around waiting for anything. If they're not being cut, glued, dried, heated and so on by machine (as it was mentioned they are essentially hand-made) then it stands to reason that there is almost no down time in the assembly, but maybe I'm wrong there. I'd have someone with a hairdryer blowing that glue dry rather than let it just sit around, you know? If you've got the people to do it, why let something sit around?
 
Foxconn is required to protect the trade secrets of the clients, which would include not letting anyone inside without the clients approval

Yes, but its not Apple's decision on who gets to go inside Foxconn. Foxconn would need permission from Apple for the trade secret exposure (if any), and then they themselves would decide if the media can come inside.

Apple does *not* run Foxconn, so why is everyone making it seem as if Foxconn = Apple???
 
Each one of those five hundred or so people will probably be touching the iPad for less than a minute - say 30 seconds, on average. Say a total of 2.5 labor hours (most automobiles have less than 10 hours of assembly time in them) @ $3.00/hr = between $7 and $8 labor cost. Foxconn probably charges Apple about $15 to $25 to assemble an iPad. Any more than that, combined with the published BOM estimates, and Apple wouldn't be making the margins they do. Any less than that, and Foxconn would be losing money (Foxconn's stated profit margins are scarily low.)
Well, most automobiles aren't hand made, though. Are hand-built Ferraris built in ten labor-hours? How does five days to build equal 2.5 labor hours? I obviously don't know jack about assembly lines, but what am I missing in the equation?
 
....According to this NYTimes article it would cost around $65 more per iPhone to pay American wages.....

While that is likely true unfortunately for America there is no infrastructure in place to support something like this. You would have to get all the other vendors in place, everything from glass panel manufacturing to smelting of Aluminium to the printing and manufacturing of the boxes used to house the iPhone. Also you have to take into account the housing, food and medical requirements of all those staff you hire. What about electricity and waste treatment?

With the decades of outsourcing all that supporting infrastructure is gone or nearly gone. So to say "bring manufacturing back" isn't realistic in the short term and no amount of wishing will make it happen.
 
People need to stop comparing their pay to ours. Their cost of living is nothing. 1.79 hour is their money is probably a lot.

Hello be logical.
 
I wonder if Apple let this report be made to mentally prepare us for a price hike on the new generation of Apple products?
 
Did any Larry Nivin fans spot the name of the Foxconn executive? Louis wu. (Think Ringworld.)

I have worked 12 hour a day seven day a week jobs before. They suck (I worked half a day on Saturday and a half shift on Sunday, however, I put in more than 12 hours on Friday. No vacation time or days off for three years, other than Christmas.). All you can think about when you are not at work is food, sleep and not passing out on your way back home.

When you look at the ratio of their pay to the cost of living, they are doing quite well. One thing to consider, they have no chance to spend the money they make. I would be willing to bet, they are piling it up. In ten years, they could make enough money to retire. I would hope they do get increases in pay throughout their career.
 
because the jobs are in demand, does not give you the right to be a pig and pay dog food wages while you roll in ungodly profits.

Oh boy, not another member of the profit police. So let's hear it oh grand emperor; how much profit is acceptable and how much is too much? Why blame a company for making "ungodly profit?". This is the free market, if you don't like Apple then don't buy their products. It's that simple.

does not have a machine that runs OSX, but at least the Z is made in Japan where people are paid accordingly for the work done.

Oh really? Have you toured a Japanese company lately? What are their working conditions like? How about you compare the suicide rates for Japan to China...just do some googlefoo, you might just blow a hole in your theory!

Perhaps we should start thinking different on what we buy Apple.

That last sentence is confusing: what are you thinking of buying Apple? Thats kinda like asking what to buy the guy who has everything! LOL!

Just joking, I realize you made a typo. I just wanted to bust your chops.

I assume you meant to say "perhaps we should start thinking different on buying an Apple (or Apple products).

And if that is what you meant, then that is your choice. There are plenty of other companies that make similar products (although in my opinion not as good) that you can send your money to. But before you get all high and mighty maybe you should look at the factory conditions in those companies...you might just come to the conclusion that ALL factory work sucks!
 
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marcusj0015 said:
They really shoulda gone more in depth, they've blown an oppurtunity that dosen't come along very often.

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it takes 5 days and 325 hands to make a single ipad? why??

... Because it's an assembly line. each person only adds one part.

I can understand 325 hands touching it but why 5 days?? Does stuff have to air dry or something? If its an assembly line, I would think they could make them faster then 5 days. Like a few others in here, maybe I don't know how assembly lines work??
 
quite disappointed. Thought it would be a bit longer than 25 minutes. don't usually pay attention to ABC so wasn't sure of what to expect.
 
quite disappointed. Thought it would be a bit longer than 25 minutes. don't usually pay attention to ABC so wasn't sure of what to expect.

The old Nightline format was better. They would have a short video blurb for the first part of the show, then, they would get two of the top people in the field to talk about the issue. The first part gave you the basic understanding of the issue, then both sides were represented. That was the real, "Fare and Balanced."
 
Apple and the rest of the world...

Just because the jobs are in demand, does not give you the right to be a pig and pay dog food wages while you roll in ungodly profits.

Sony does not have a machine that runs OSX, but at least the Z is made in Japan where people are paid accordingly for the work done.

Perhaps we should start thinking different on what we buy Apple.

Really dude?

You do realize cost of living here and there are totally different right? You do realize a dollar here is crap but is a lot over there right? YOU DO REALIZE it's not a 1:1 comparison RIGHT?

I don't think you do.

The working conditions over there are rather nice when you look at it and hear what they're paying. Compared to what they came from. Clean, food, lodging, friends/social networking. Yeah, seems sooo horrible. Nobody is forcing these people to do this work. They can quit any time. You not see the huge crowd of people? Guess not.

Please re-think your comment.
 
Designed in California, Handcrafted in China. :D:apple::apple::apple::apple:

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Well, most automobiles aren't hand made, though. Are hand-built Ferraris built in ten labor-hours? How does five days to build equal 2.5 labor hours? I obviously don't know jack about assembly lines, but what am I missing in the equation?

Well...maybe paint and coatings need curing times? ect...ect...
 
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