Other No 5G iPhone in 2020?

[Strokee]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/applei...r-2020-iphones-if-it-doesnt-make-its-own/amp/

It sounds like a legitimate possibility that there may not be a 5G iPhone until late 2021 at the earliest. Say what you want about slow 5G rollouts, limited coverage, etc...this would be damaging for Apple from a marketing and innovation standpoint. Android will in theory have up to 3 generations of 5G capable devices by the time Apple (maybe) offers one. The end of 2020 was pushing it. This would probably cause quite some people to jump ship.

 

[chabig]

None of that will matter because there won't be pervasive 5G networks.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

Maybe they can use their Samsung 5g phones on the imaginary AT&T 5g network..

 

[Strokee]

None of that will matter because there won't be pervasive 5G networks.

It matters, as I said in my original post: “Say what you want about slow 5G rollouts, limited coverage, etc...this would be damaging for Apple from a marketing and innovation standpoint.”

5G is going to be marketed A LOT between now and the end of 2021. Whether-or-not people really need it, they will feel like they are getting an inferior product with slower speeds if iPhones don’t have 5G. Plus, by the end of 2021, every major market in the United States will have 5G coverage. Slow rollouts or not, the urban areas will have it.
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Maybe they can use their Samsung 5g phones on the imaginary AT&T 5g network..

I have no brand loyalty. I’ve used a stock android device, 3 Samsung devices, a windows phone device and am currently using my 3rd iPhone. Your response sounds like an Apple “fanboy.” You really don’t see any downside to not having a 5G iPhone available for nearly 3 more years?

 

[BugeyeSTI]

It matters, as I said in my original post: “Say what you want about slow 5G rollouts, limited coverage, etc...this would be damaging for Apple from a marketing and innovation standpoint.”

5G is going to be marketed A LOT between now and the end of 2021. Whether-or-not people really need it, they will feel like they are getting an inferior product with slower speeds if iPhones don’t have 5G. Plus, by the end of 2021, every major market in the United States will have 5G coverage. Slow rollouts or not, the urban areas will have it.
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I have no brand loyalty. I’ve used a stock android device, 3 Samsung devices, a windows phone device and am currently using my 3rd iPhone. Your response sounds like an Apple “fanboy.” You really don’t see any downside to not having a 5G iPhone available for nearly 3 more years?

You yourself said it won’t be relevant until 2021 so who cares. Apple will be fine as always whether you agree or not. I thought Apple was going to be releasing a 5g device in 2020?

 

[Strokee]

You yourself said it won’t be relevant until 2021 so who cares. Apple will be fine as always whether you agree or not.

When did I say that? I heard rumors last summer that coverage may not be widespread until 2021. It may not be. But 5G devices are going to be heavily marketed between now and then and devices will be available and marketed. That’s not a good thing for Apple. Will it destroy them? No. But a lot of people will either not upgrade until 5G is available in an iPhone or if they want it they will jump to android. Neither scenario is ideal.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

When did I say that? I heard rumors last summer that coverage may not be widespread until 2021. It may not be. But 5G devices are going to be heavily marketed between now and then and devices will be available and marketed. That’s not a good thing for Apple. Will it destroy them? No. But a lot of people will either not upgrade until 5G is available in an iPhone or if they want it they will jump to android. Neither scenario is ideal.

Well maybe Apple and Qualcomm will make up and Apple will release something 5g capable sooner than later

 

[EM2013]

Didn’t they wait to finally put 4G lte on iPhones? And they did just fine, this will be no different. And the jump from 3G to lte was way more of a difference than lte to 5G.

The non techy people won’t care and neither do I.

 

[Strokee]

Didn’t they wait to finally put 4G lte on iPhones? And they did just fine, this will be no different. And the jump from 3G to lte was way more of a difference than lte to 5G.

The non techy people won’t care and neither do I.

That was nearly a decade ago. Android was in its infancy. Apple could have strung two soup cans together, slapped an Apple sticker on each can and sold it as an iPhone. Those days have come and gone. People have options. 5G will be heavily marketed. More than just “techy people” will know about it and will care. By 2021 all of us will care.

 

[bushman4]

5G in 2020 doubtful at best. A lot of infrastructure has to be put in before 5G really serves its purpose

 

[akash.nu]

Didn’t they wait to finally put 4G lte on iPhones? And they did just fine, this will be no different. And the jump from 3G to lte was way more of a difference than lte to 5G.

The non techy people won’t care and neither do I.

Exactly this!

That was nearly a decade ago. Android was in its infancy. Apple could have strung two soup cans together, slapped an Apple sticker on each can and sold it as an iPhone. Those days have come and gone. People have options. 5G will be heavily marketed. More than just “techy people” will know about it and will care. By 2021 all of us will care.

The fact of the matter is, general population don’t care and it’s still the same. Apple didn’t lose the market share per se. Android just covered up the rest of the market to bring smartphone into saturation.

User behaviour has changed in terms of slower upgrades only because by default the phones are good enough for most people, not because a certain band of radio is there or not. Heck, general population / nontechnical consumers don’t even care as much about OLED vs LCD which is right there in front of their faces the whole day.

 

[Strokee]

Nobody here cares about 5G.

If Apple announced a 5G iPhone for 2019, champagne bottles would pop and everybody here would rejoice.

 

[pratikindia]

It matters, as I said in my original post: “Say what you want about slow 5G rollouts, limited coverage, etc...this would be damaging for Apple from a marketing and innovation standpoint.”

5G is going to be marketed A LOT between now and the end of 2021. Whether-or-not people really need it, they will feel like they are getting an inferior product with slower speeds if iPhones don’t have 5G. Plus, by the end of 2021, every major market in the United States will have 5G coverage. Slow rollouts or not, the urban areas will have it.
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I have no brand loyalty. I’ve used a stock android device, 3 Samsung devices, a windows phone device and am currently using my 3rd iPhone. Your response sounds like an Apple “fanboy.” You really don’t see any downside to not having a 5G iPhone available for nearly 3 more years?

Not only in US, in other countries too. It will be most damaging in China where 5G rollout will be in full force in next 2 years. Even India's biggest carriers are testing 5G next year.

 

[akash.nu]

Nobody here cares about 5G.

If Apple announced a 5G iPhone for 2019, champagne bottles would pop and everybody here would rejoice.

It’s not that. People here will buy iPhones anyway, 5G or no 5G. Outside of this tech bubble people don’t care because the existing solution is good enough for most. By the time we really need 5G, apple would catch up.

You think a company like Apple with the resources they have, hasn’t already got a projected plan for the next couple of years?! iPhones just doesn’t randomly pop up from thin air. Everything is planned in advance based on data. They’re the most valuable company not by fluke.

 

[Strokee]

It’s not that. People here will buy iPhones anyway, 5G or no 5G. Outside of this tech bubble people don’t care because the existing solution is good enough for most. By the time we really need 5G, apple would catch up.

You think a company like Apple with the resources they have, hasn’t already got a projected plan for the next couple of years?! iPhones just doesn’t randomly pop up from thin air. Everything is planned in advance based on data. They’re the most valuable company not by fluke.

I think Apple’s plan was to go with Intel, but Intel is failing. Who knows what Plan B is. Probably purchase from Samsung and pay more than the $7.50 per phone they’re fighting Qualcomm over.

 

[JPack]

I think Apple’s plan was to go with Intel, but Intel is failing. Who knows what Plan B is. Probably purchase from Samsung and pay more than the $7.50 per phone they’re fighting Qualcomm over.

Funny thing is, even Samsung is using Qualcomm for 5G Fold and S10. The only other chipmaker shipping a 5G modem is Huawei.

 

[Strokee]

Funny thing is, even Samsung is using Qualcomm for 5G Fold. The only other chipmaker shipping a 5G modem is Huawei.

I thought that was funny, too. An option is for Samsung to sell Apple 5G modems while they themselves are using QC. Doesn’t make much sense. Apple put themselves in a bind and if they don’t figure out 5G it will bite them. If 5G is available in my area by the end of 2020 and there is no 5G iPhone I would happily return to Android.

 

[Juicy Box]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/applei...r-2020-iphones-if-it-doesnt-make-its-own/amp/

It sounds like a legitimate possibility that there may not be a 5G iPhone until late 2021 at the earliest. Say what you want about slow 5G rollouts, limited coverage, etc...this would be damaging for Apple from a marketing and innovation standpoint. Android will in theory have up to 3 generations of 5G capable devices by the time Apple (maybe) offers one. The end of 2020 was pushing it. This would probably cause quite some people to jump ship.

I see your point, but I don't think there will be a significant impact.

Apple sold record iPhones when they didn't have a LTE iPhone until a few years after the competition did. The impact of 3G to LTE will most likely be much greater than LTE to 5G.

Also, you could look at this another way, there will be a few generations of Android users complaining about the lack of 5G coverage before there will be iPhone users complaining about the same thing.

I heard rumors last summer that coverage may not be widespread until 2021.

I guess it depends on the definition of "widespread". 5G may never be as wide spread as LTE, and in 2021, I doubt 5G would be wide spread enough to fully cover the majority of the US users were they live, work, shop, and commute.

It could be many, many years before that happens.

If Apple announced a 5G iPhone for 2019, champagne bottles would pop and everybody here would rejoice.

Not me, as I know there would be little upside to having 5G, while having many downsides.

People here will buy iPhones anyway, 5G or no 5G.

True for most people.

There may be a few people that were thinking of switching to Android anyways, and 5G would just galvanize their decision. I think that most people that currently have an iPhone and is overall happy with it would stick with their iPhones regardless of if it had 5G or not.

 

[JPack]

I see your point, but I don't think there will be a significant impact.

Apple sold record iPhones when they didn't have a LTE iPhone until a few years after the competition did. The impact of 3G to LTE will most likely be much greater than LTE to 5G.

Also, you could look at this another way, there will be a few generations of Android users complaining about the lack of 5G coverage before there will be iPhone users complaining about the same thing.

One of the main concerns is Intel is shipping their XMM 8160 modem in late 2019 for use in 2020 iPhones.

Based on the feature set, the 8160 is effectively a first gen 5G modem. The 8060 was supposed to be Intel's first commercial product, but it got scrapped. Intel responded by pulling in the 8160 schedule by 6 months, which suggests the 8160 is a fixed version of the 8060.

With LTE, Apple used a second gen Qualcomm LTE modem. With 5G, Apple is potentially facing late entry and poor performance.

 

[Mrjynx]

There are significant technical issues with the current form of what is being called 5g. It has very small coverage radius and they need a huge number of antennas everywhere. Until they resolve that going 5g is not going to happen. No point rushing 5g out when it’s going to be terribly spotty and likely not power efficient.

Yes there’s all this marketing push but with no service pretty much everywhere it’ll die down quickly until it’s matured.

 

[Strokee]

There are significant technical issues with the current form of what is being called 5g. It has very small coverage radius and they need a huge number of antennas everywhere. Until they resolve that going 5g is not going to happen. No point rushing 5g out when it’s going to be terribly spotty and likely not power efficient.

Yes there’s all this marketing push but with no service pretty much everywhere it’ll die down quickly until it’s matured.

Yes, 5G antennas cover less area than 4G LTE, meaning far more antennas placed much more densely. This costs money. Lots of money. These companies (Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint in the United States) are spending billions of dollars building out their 5G networks. You think the marketing is going to die down? Hell no. We haven't even seen marketing yet...just articles from tech reporters attending CES and WMC. These mobile providers need to recoup the money they're investing in their 5G networks. As 5G begins to go live you are going to see them pound us with marketing , selling 5G devices and data plans.

I agree, the rollout will take years, but major urban centers (where the most people are) are going to have 5G coverage by this time next year. The average consumer will know about 5G because we are all going to get bombarded with advertisements. When the average consumer walks into a Verizon or AT&T store, they will hear that 5G is fast and every Android device can access the networks. They will also hear that no iPhone can. Verizon is the nation's largest, most popular provider and they are already in bed with Android. What devices do you think they're going to push? All of the carriers need to recoup 5G expenses. What devices do you think they're going to push?

 

[Mrjynx]

Yes, 5G antennas cover less area than 4G LTE, meaning far more antennas placed much more densely. This costs money. Lots of money. These companies (Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint in the United States) are spending billions of dollars building out their 5G networks. You think the marketing is going to die down? Hell no. We haven't even seen marketing yet...just articles from tech reporters attending CES and WMC. These mobile providers need to recoup the money they're investing in their 5G networks. As 5G begins to go live you are going to see them pound us with marketing , selling 5G devices and data plans.

I agree, the rollout will take years, but major urban centers (where the most people are) are going to have 5G coverage by this time next year. The average consumer will know about 5G because we are all going to get bombarded with advertisements. When the average consumer walks into a Verizon or AT&T store, they will hear that 5G is fast and every Android device can access the networks. They will also hear that no iPhone can. Verizon is the nation's largest, most popular provider and they are already in bed with Android. What devices do you think they're going to push? All of the carriers need to recoup 5G expenses. What devices do you think they're going to push?

Few things. Rollout is going to take years, only a handful of manufactures even have capability to supply the hardware. Erickson, Nokia and Huawei(they’re in trouble in both US and Canada). Definitely agree it’s going to take a huge investment to roll this out, but the investment is all planned years in advance. This is simple currency hardware refreshes. What’s different now is it’s going to take a long time for it to really get out there, it definitely won’t take a year. Number of antennas needed will be 10x deployed today, like much more. You may even have a 5g antenna in your own residence because it can’t go through certain materials such as concrete.

Quote me in a few years but we won’t see any real 5g penetration for minimum 2-5yrs. It’s going to be a marathon and not a sprint. I’d love to see next gen because it’s going to change everything especially with ultra low latency. But I’ve been in the tech industry for a long time and this is going to upend everything... and that takes time.

 

[JPack]

There are significant technical issues with the current form of what is being called 5g. It has very small coverage radius and they need a huge number of antennas everywhere. Until they resolve that going 5g is not going to happen. No point rushing 5g out when it’s going to be terribly spotty and likely not power efficient.

Yes there’s all this marketing push but with no service pretty much everywhere it’ll die down quickly until it’s matured.

5G is evolutionary just like LTE is. You don't need to have a huge number of antennas to benefit from 5G.

Initial deployments using sub-6 GHz will form the backbone of 5G in most parts of the world. Those are existing LTE frequencies and won't have antenna or penetration issues.

Using sub-6 GHz already provides 3-4x increase in bandwidth and a similar decrease in latency.

Deploying mmWave will provide the multi-gigabit speeds. But the immediate increase in bandwidth from early 5G deployments will already lower congestion.

 

[EM2013]

Nobody here cares about 5G.

If Apple announced a 5G iPhone for 2019, champagne bottles would pop and everybody here would rejoice.

If they released it in 2019 I’d still hold on to my max for another 2 years lol. LTE works fine for me and never have issues with it.

I guarantee most people won’t care and they definitely won’t upgrade or switch just cause of 5G. With the current prices a lot of people don’t upgrade as it is.

 

[Strokee]

If they released it in 2019 I’d still hold on to my max for another 2 years lol. LTE works fine for me and never have issues with it.

I guarantee most people won’t care and they definitely won’t upgrade or switch just cause of 5G. With the current prices a lot of people don’t upgrade as it is.

Your opinions are fair enough, but I’d be careful with the guarantees and “definitelies.”