No AFP with APFS ?!?


chabig

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AFP was deprecated back in Mavericks. It still ships but Apple isn't going to contribute any development effort to making it or new products and features work with it.
 

toke lahti

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It's not a problem between Macs even with SMB.
There has been a problem with Thecus NAS, which internal filesystem is ext3 or XFS, if you transfer with SMB, the file's modified date becomes a creation date. You can find a lot of discussion of similiar problems with time stamps with different NAS forums.
 
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chrfr

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There has been a problem with Thecus NAS, which internal filesystem is ext3 or XFS, if you transfer with SMB, the files modified date becomes a creation date. You can find a lot of discussion of similiar problems with time stamps with different NAS forums.
How does that relate to AFP not being available on APFS? If you can run AFP on your NAS, then you can still connect to it from a computer that uses APFS.
 

toke lahti

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How does that relate to AFP not being available on APFS? If you can run AFP on your NAS, then you can still connect to it from a computer that uses APFS.
Well, no straight relation, but just that,
when SMB connections makes some problems in some cases, I'd rather not use SMB at all.
AFAIK, SMB has also worse sequrity than AFP.
I find it amazing, that Apple ditches the better protocol and does not give better alternative.
Maybe this is just Apple works nowadays...
 

Ritsuka

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Old versions of SMB had worse security. But Apple is using SMB3 nowadays. AFP has not been better for years.
 

chrfr

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Well, no straight relation, but just that,
when SMB connections makes some problems in some cases, I'd rather not use SMB at all.
AFAIK, SMB has also worse sequrity than AFP.
I find it amazing, that Apple ditches the better protocol and does not give better alternative.
Maybe this is just Apple works nowadays...
As mentioned above, AFP is less secure than SMB3, which is what Apple's using now. AFP is not encrypted. It's not necessarily the case that AFP is superior to SMB anymore. For now you can certainly keep using AFP on your servers which don't have APFS disks, but now's the time to start making alternative plans.
 
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chucker23n1

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Well, no straight relation, but just that,
when SMB connections makes some problems in some cases, I'd rather not use SMB at all.
AFAIK, SMB has also worse sequrity than AFP.
I find it amazing, that Apple ditches the better protocol and does not give better alternative.
Maybe this is just Apple works nowadays...
AFP is not "the better protocol". SMB2 and newer are fairly decent. Apple have made their own extensions to make SMB work better for macOS (such as for Time Machine).
 
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xgman

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I've had problems shutting down the mac with smb connections which were not problems with afp.