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No Lossless audio for Apple TV HD?
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What hi-res home cinema? You are aware that while most receivers/processors accept 24/192 as an input, they downsample internally to 48kHz to apply DSP and room correction and then upsample again. If that’s the case for your gear (and it is for most) there’s little point in hi-res. There are those that do 96/192kHz, such as Trinnov, Meridian, Theta Digital to name a few.
A sony hi-res cinema capable of 24/192.
But Apple Lossless is 24/48 currently for Apple TV 4K (hi res is 192, but dont offer it for Apple TV 4K yet), and my question persists, seems my Apple TV HD doesn´t have even the options the 4K version has.
I am happy with 24/48, but seems the HD version is not getting EVEN that.
Any other apple tv HD owners here to tell me if they have the lossless option?
But Apple Lossless is 24/48 currently for Apple TV 4K (hi res is 192, but dont offer it for Apple TV 4K yet), and my question persists, seems my Apple TV HD doesn´t have even the options the 4K version has.
I am happy with 24/48, but seems the HD version is not getting EVEN that.
Any other apple tv HD owners here to tell me if they have the lossless option?
Sony doesn’t have a truly 24/192 capable system. They accept 24/192 as input and then downsample, as do many others. Even the $20k+ Storm processor is downsampling to 48kHz due to post-processing. If you want true 192kHz, the only choice in the consumer world is a Trinnov Altitude 32.
In any case, you need 14.6 for it to be supported.
In any case, you need 14.6 for it to be supported.
I think you are not really getting my issue here.
I get AAC apple music in my Apple TV HD.
I want at least lossless tier from Apple Music 24/48. Apple TV 4K got it. Apple TV HD seems not.
Want to be sure if I need to buy an Apple 4K just to be able to get 24/48.
I get AAC apple music in my Apple TV HD.
I want at least lossless tier from Apple Music 24/48. Apple TV 4K got it. Apple TV HD seems not.
Want to be sure if I need to buy an Apple 4K just to be able to get 24/48.
Unfortunately the Apple TV HD is not supported for lossless audio: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183.
I find difficult to believe the Apple TV HD is not capable to play 24/48, really. Doesnt it have the same chip as the Homepod that will get soon support?
Maybe Apple might bring it later, when the 4K gets hi-res lossless? I woould hate to buy the 4K just for this and then see the HD updated…
Maybe Apple might bring it later, when the 4K gets hi-res lossless? I woould hate to buy the 4K just for this and then see the HD updated…
It is highly unlikely that the Apple TV HD will ever be supported for lossless audio. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.
It's perfectly capable - they are just using this as a wedge issue to drive some upgrades.
They’re not all quite that limited. Mine has a 32/768 D/A and then a 24/96 A/D
I would still very much like to have 24/192 capability from my Apple TV 4K but for some reason they’ve capped it at 24/48 for some crazy reason.
Jason
He doesn’t have a 4K. That is the actual issue despite loads of comments about the 4K unit and this and that.
He literally asked about the HD box in the original post.
Some people don’t read
Jason
I have been streaming Hi-Res Lossless Flac files to my Apple TV 4 through other apps (Plex for instance). It plays flawlessly and there shouldn't be any reason for it to not support Apple's native implementation. It is not something that requires massive processing power and PC far less powerful than and Apple TV 4 have been supporting it for at least 2 decades.
If this device doesn't supported, is because Apple decided to artificially restrict it, but not for a technical reason.
If this device doesn't supported, is because Apple decided to artificially restrict it, but not for a technical reason.
I'm not talking about DAC/ADCs, they all have that. I'm talking about DSP pre-processing related limitations. This is done in DSP, from specific manufacturers, say TI and the case for any manufacturer that does not use their own, custom made chips (neither Sony, Marantz, Onkyo, etc. have custom chips). Here's a direct quote from a typical manual (not all manufacturers are listing it):
The specific model where this quote comes from is using AK4493 DACs which are 32-bit 768kHz, yet it's limited to 48kHz internally. Most people buy into the hype. Plenty of threads over at AVS forum, AVForums and audiosciencereview if you want to catch up on the topic.
All that being said, the Apple TV HD is perfectly capable of 24/48 if Apple wants to offer it.
Another shocker, most sources are not 24-bits either. The signal is utilizing 24-bit, but not with full information. Again, this won't matter much as 24-bits is giving 144dB of dynamic range. It's 6dB per bit, so even 20-bit is plenty for most people (or can you reproduce 144dB at listening position with your setup?).
True - I just mentioned Flac as that’s my format of choice, and for that we have to use other third party apps.
I know he said that, he also said that the option for hi-res wasn’t showing in the menu yet.
I think you’re mixing up two separate posts from two different people as the person I responded to was only referring to lossless.
Doesn’t look like it. I have two ATV 4K’s (one of the older model and one of the new) and also an older ATV HD, I have updated all of them to the tvOS 15 beta, and I’m getting the option for 24/48 on the 4k’s but not the HD
Ok, so if it is not in the tvos 15 beta in the apple tv HD I guess I might forget about having it.
Funny thing, I like more my old remote than the new one, so i am not Actually having any reason to buy the new apple tv, and i dont have a 4K tv.
I would be paying 200 euros to get 24/48 music, withe the hope apple updates it to 192/48, which i think is coming as they used the word ’currently’ in the manuals