No more update for Nvidia GPU on Mojave.


mattferg

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Wasn't aware Apple were preventing nVidia releasing Mojave drivers, as they have done for High Sierra etc? I thought nVidia just hadn't released them yet?
 

alphaod

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I don't think Apple will prevent Nvidia from supporting macOS Mojave. That wouldn't make any business sense.
 

mavericks7913

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Wasn't aware Apple were preventing nVidia releasing Mojave drivers, as they have done for High Sierra etc? I thought nVidia just hadn't released them yet?
Nvidia can not release the newest web drive because of Apple. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01/nvidia-comment-on-macos-mojave-drivers/
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I don't think Apple will prevent Nvidia from supporting macOS Mojave. That wouldn't make any business sense.
Yet Nvidia couldnt release their driver for several months and it never happened for several previous MacOs. It is the first time Apple preventing Nvidia to release the driver for MacOS Mojave.
 

flowrider

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And today, after the market closed, Nvidia reported their financial results. Disastrous!!!!

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And Yup, I own some stock!

Lou
 

CreeptoLoser

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And today, after the market closed, Nvidia reported their financial results. Disastrous!!!!

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And Yup, I own some stock!

Lou
EXTREMELY BRUTAL.

All because creepto mining screwed up the inventory channels and made cards too expensive. The inventory is still messed up today. AMD is taking a hammering because of the same problem when they had their earnings call.

It would be great to have more GPU choices but as it stands Geforce cards don't support about 4 features from the latest Metal feature set. That would make it hell for developers because they have to write different code for AMD and Nvidia or they have to cut back.

So I doubt Apple will greenlight the drivers until they are rewritten for full Metal support.

Oh and no 10 bit output is an issue too if you need HDR.

It seems a lot of Mac users are mad about Apple because they are not allowing Nvidia to support MacOS Mojave.
A lot of these folk might be Hackintosh users so their voice doesn't carry much power. Apple will probably try to analyze demand from real Mac users.
 

koyoot

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EXTREMELY BRUTAL.

All because creepto mining screwed up the inventory channels and made cards too expensive. The inventory is still messed up today. AMD is taking a hammering because of the same problem when they had their earnings call.

It would be great to have more GPU choices but as it stands Geforce cards don't support about 4 features from the latest Metal feature set. That would make it hell for developers because they have to write different code for AMD and Nvidia or they have to cut back.

So I doubt Apple will greenlight the drivers until they are rewritten for full Metal support.

Oh and no 10 bit output is an issue too if you need HDR.



A lot of these folk might be Hackintosh users so their voice doesn't carry much power. Apple will probably try to analyze demand from real Mac users.
Or simply Metal is developed STRICTLY for AMD GPUs...?
 

CreeptoLoser

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Or simply Metal is developed STRICTLY for AMD GPUs...?
Shouldn't be. It's just an API feature set and the documents are open to all.
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I think this graphic tells us more:
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ant this:
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Because the earnings call told the industry the effects of creepto mining on inventory. This applies to AMD too.

Same thing when AMD had the earnings call last month. They said creepto negatively impacted their inventory. GPUs were unavailable or too expensive for gamers which is a very important market. Nvidia stock was impacted by that in after hours too.

Don't get involved with scams and tulip mania. Learn this lesson please humanity.
 

startergo

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Shouldn't be. It's just an API feature set and the documents are open to all.
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Because the earnings call told the industry the effects of creepto mining on inventory. This applies to AMD too.

Same thing when AMD had the earnings call last month. They said creepto negatively impacted their inventory. GPUs were unavailable or too expensive for gamers which is a very important market. Nvidia stock was impacted by that in after hours too.

Don't get involved with scams and tulip mania. Learn this lesson please humanity.
Nowadays to earn from crypto mining with GPU's for gaming is one of the stupidest ideas
 

deconstruct60

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What's the TLDR on this?
Elements of the internet forums bickering went there too and a number of folks there are irritated by it.

Not much news. Nvidia said they were talking with Apple about it back in October and since then not much but grumbling and now bickering users.
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Nvidia can not release the newest web drive because of Apple. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01/nvidia-comment-on-macos-mojave-drivers/
There is nothing there that 100% points at Apple. Developers who submit apps to the apps store aren't necessarily signed off on by Apple if they aren't compliance. Nvidia tell folks to break out the pitchforks and torches and storm Apple isn't going to help if there are technical issues here. It is more likely just to deepen the political quagmire.


Yet Nvidia couldnt release their driver for several months and it never happened for several previous MacOs. It is the first time Apple preventing Nvidia to release the driver for MacOS Mojave.
No previous macOS deprecated OpenGL and OpenCL either. The graphics stack on macOS is going through a fundamental shift. If Nvidia isn't keeping up then Apple may not sign off on their stuff. How Apple and the GPU hardware vendors split up doing parts of the OpenGL stack isn't necessarily the same split when Metal2 is the primary foundation. Metal is a much shorter/shallower stack so there isn't as much to 'split up'. Apple may want 'hooks' deeper into the GPU than they have previously gone and Nvidia may be slow rolling or even blocking that. Neither one of those is going to get 'fast track' signing off on the official drivers.