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No PowerBook Updates Before 2005
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nagromme said:
I too expect only a minor G4 speed hike, likely a few dollars cheaper, and not much else.
All effort I think is going into the G5 not the dual core technology which doesn't even exist yet commercially (?).
G5 will require a new chasis, likely a bit thicker (?) for special cooling systems, bigger battery (cooling), monster HDD (100 gig), better screen, dual layer DVD burner. I expect it to be an exy machine with rev A heat and design issues.
MacSA said:
Besides the other comments already made about the sales, I can also add that only a tiny percentage of apple users frequently visits sites such as macrumors. The typical Apple buyer isn't sitting around waiting for a PBG5 like us.
Thank goodness there are still some sane people out there!
locovaca said:
i think this is the right attitude. for once, you can purchase a computer knowing that the apple's offering will not change for a few months.
apple will not lie about this. it's hardware - their source of revenue. just like how they said G4 iMacs are discontinued back during the summer, letting people honestly know what's going on will definitely do a lot more good than harm.
Oh poo.
I voted negative for this one as well. I'm not going to hold Apple responsible however because they don't make the chips, so it's just bad luck for them because they are going to lose out on some holiday sales.
Not that the PB is not a good laptop. It's a great machine, especially compared to what I am happily using now, but they would have done better if the chips had been available.
Maybe a discount for the PBs at least? not even a little bitty one?
I voted negative for this one as well. I'm not going to hold Apple responsible however because they don't make the chips, so it's just bad luck for them because they are going to lose out on some holiday sales.
Not that the PB is not a good laptop. It's a great machine, especially compared to what I am happily using now, but they would have done better if the chips had been available.
Maybe a discount for the PBs at least? not even a little bitty one?
I'm betting this is going to hit Apple's bottom line hard this fall and rightly so. Once again this just proves that Apple is incapable of juggling multiple product lines without leaving something to wither on the vine.
People, Apple just made the iBooks an incredible value, and they have done something they almost NEVER do... definitively tell you a basic time frame for a desired product.
You all aren't waiting for Tiger because we know it is first half of 05.
Now you can add a PowerBook revision to the first half of 05 (at the earliest).
Apple has hinted for a long time that PowerBook G5's would probably not show up until 2005, and all this dual core chatter has been just that -- chatter.
You can all plan accordingly. This is a positive development. What exactly is the problem?
You all aren't waiting for Tiger because we know it is first half of 05.
Now you can add a PowerBook revision to the first half of 05 (at the earliest).
Apple has hinted for a long time that PowerBook G5's would probably not show up until 2005, and all this dual core chatter has been just that -- chatter.
You can all plan accordingly. This is a positive development. What exactly is the problem?
you do realize it's pismo, not prismo right? like pismo beach in californiaJoePike said:This is not the best news I've heard all day. (sigh)
Well, the trusty Prismo lives to fly another day. Not sure how many days she has left in her, since I've got it pretty much maxed out, but she's gonna have to hang in there.
I have a feeling this means they're waiting to update the PB's until they can get those dual-core freescale chips in there, although I'd admittedly rather see them pack in a G5 somehow.
-Joe
Quit it with the Dual Core already!
How many times does it have to be said...it is physically impossible for dual core PowerBooks to appear at MWSF.
Hickman
Trowaman said:
How many times does it have to be said...it is physically impossible for dual core PowerBooks to appear at MWSF.
Hickman
Man if this holds true, then I am sure glad I got my RevC 12" PB when I did back in early June. When making the decision in buying it, I had an erie feeling that this would be the last revision of the G4 PowerBooks before the long awaited mythical G5 PB (which I strongly believe (read hope) will be introduced in January.
But not to ship until early March. Which would maybe make a RevB G5 PB to be released in Sept. 2005.
Thus this future date is when I will jump on the G5 bandwagon.
But not to ship until early March. Which would maybe make a RevB G5 PB to be released in Sept. 2005.
Thus this future date is when I will jump on the G5 bandwagon.
Brian Hickman said:
But when they do appear in the G5 (2006?) it will be all about DUAL DUAL processors
I appreciate the honesty. Apple used to keep all updates so secret that you were always afraid of purchasing... maybe tomorrow, maybe the day after, maybe next week...
I have accepted that technology moves at a certain speed. Sure I want the future now. But hey we only have so much time on this planet. Waiting for the future at the expense of the moment,.. is just too sad.
To that. Apple is not going under as a company because you have to wait a couple of months for the next computer and when that computer does arrive it will be good. It will be as good as the computers are now. (if time is relative then so are computers). So right now the best computer I can get is an apple powerbook (too bad I already have one
relax, and look at clouds once and awhile. they do more for your spirit then a monitor.
I have accepted that technology moves at a certain speed. Sure I want the future now. But hey we only have so much time on this planet. Waiting for the future at the expense of the moment,.. is just too sad.
To that. Apple is not going under as a company because you have to wait a couple of months for the next computer and when that computer does arrive it will be good. It will be as good as the computers are now. (if time is relative then so are computers). So right now the best computer I can get is an apple powerbook (too bad I already have one
relax, and look at clouds once and awhile. they do more for your spirit then a monitor.
hoorah
being the college student i am, i plan on selling my current 3 month old toshiba tablet PC and just leave the money in my bank account untill i absolutly have to buy one. i wouldnt even bother getting a differant laptop but unfortunatly Visual Communication Design absolutly requires all of their students to buy an Apple wtf. atleast i can wait and put it off as long as possible
being the college student i am, i plan on selling my current 3 month old toshiba tablet PC and just leave the money in my bank account untill i absolutly have to buy one. i wouldnt even bother getting a differant laptop but unfortunatly Visual Communication Design absolutly requires all of their students to buy an Apple wtf. atleast i can wait and put it off as long as possible
do realize that the 7448 is an e600 cored device.Brian Hickman said:
I see Apple going the single core route with the sister processor of the dual cored chip first. This will be followed up with a dual core upgrade 6 months after the single core release. That is if they go G4 at all.
It is still an open question with respect to IBM getting the G5 poertable ready this year. If they could pull it off and possibly offer Apple some SOC features I could see Apple going the 64 bit route. At least on one portable anyways. Apple could very well split the PowerBook line between single 64bit devices and dual core 32 bit devices. It would be interstig to see where the market would go given those two choices.
Give the dual core implementation extended addressing abilities and I could see myself going the dual core route.
Dave
Buggy said:
Assuming you were part of the tiny minority of iBook buyers that gave a crap about specs.
my girlfriend just got back from a talk given by someone from apple at MIT. the first question from the audience was, "when will there be a powerbook g5? do you have any idea?" and he replied: "yes. next question."
I was actually quite interested in Apple's iBook revision because:
1) Consumers have realised that current cpus are fast enough for almost all applications. So, the new iBook is actually a cheaper alternative to the Centrino notebooks (now that it has built in wi-fi). Centrino laptops are all about battery life and connectivity. Same market, lower price, better software.
2) The iBook gfx chip is nothing special, but good enough to play games and better than integrated PC video which is a bit naff.
3) The Centrino portables that are faster than iBooks tend to be ugly and more expensive.
I think as a philosophy, the iBook really works - it's your ultra portable computer and it's actually better than any PC laptop in the same category, but if you want a portable desktop replacement, Apple can't currently match many laptop PCs with their Powerbook range.
The iBook is actually the most compelling product!
1) Consumers have realised that current cpus are fast enough for almost all applications. So, the new iBook is actually a cheaper alternative to the Centrino notebooks (now that it has built in wi-fi). Centrino laptops are all about battery life and connectivity. Same market, lower price, better software.
2) The iBook gfx chip is nothing special, but good enough to play games and better than integrated PC video which is a bit naff.
3) The Centrino portables that are faster than iBooks tend to be ugly and more expensive.
I think as a philosophy, the iBook really works - it's your ultra portable computer and it's actually better than any PC laptop in the same category, but if you want a portable desktop replacement, Apple can't currently match many laptop PCs with their Powerbook range.
The iBook is actually the most compelling product!
wizard said:
Yes I do realize that all three are e600. But if you take three seconds to look at the architectures of the chips, the 7448 is completely different from the other two. It has always puzzled me why they classify the 7448 as an e600.
Hickman
snahabed said:
Sorry but only an eternal Mac optimist could turn a 9 month dry spell in updates (And come on even the speedbump updates are pathetic.) into something positive. This is bad news for anyone who is looking for real performance in an Apple laptop. I was once again at Apple's store playing around with their anemic 17" Powerbook waiting for my movie to start. Rebooted to get a clean start on everything. I shouldn't have to drum my fingers four-five times on the table waiting for iTunes to open. Walk over to the iMac and its not lightening fast but way faster then the PowerBook line. No more excuses. The *book line is exactly where the PowerMac was pre G5: a sad line of products in much need of some TLC. Unfortunately Apples attention has been on the iPod, PowerMac, and iMac. Were probably going to see an eMac update before we see a PowerBook update.