No storage--Apple may have done you a favor!

[KaraH]

I do not need Apple to supply my drives. Odds are I can buy better ones from companies specialising in them. Then in a few years better ones will be out to upgrade to.

The point is *space* to do it inside the box. My desk has enough things on it already thank you. It also comes with space for a tower for some odd reason.

 

[vladi]

I am one of those "prosumers" - this "thing" has me looking a jumping platforms (again).

I do 3d art - the software is inexpensive nowadays - Poser 2014 & Vue will take every core and every bit of memory that you can throw at it.

The cost of the new Mac Pro & 2 additional external TB bays (to hold 6 HDs) will price it out of reach ($5K+).

For the 1st time in 13 years, I am looking at a dell, because an iMac simply wont cut it......

3D world, both modeling and rendering, transferred to Windows/Linux while ago due to lack of GPU choice and CUDA absence. And even due to lack of OpenCL support on OSX like in Houdini's case, btw Houdini can't even support multiple GPUs so unless new MP comes with single GPU as well those who use Houdini are paying for something they cannot utilize, right now.

Compositing remains somehow strong on Mac due to Nuke being dominant and not utilizing GPU at all unless in 3D space and not touching CUDA until you load some CUDA powered plug in. On contrary Fusion on Win/Linux utilizes NVidia Maximus technology and favors CUDA across the workflow.

Keyshot remains a good raytracing choice on Mac due to intensive CPU usage and it will work just fine on new MPs

 

[thekev]

Apple trolling. More likely same socket puppet show with folks just reversing roles. Before the sneak peak there was endless threads proclaiming doom with just about as unreliable information.

You have some of the greatest tech metaphors.

3D world, both modeling and rendering, transferred to Windows/Linux while ago due to lack of GPU choice and CUDA absence. And even due to lack of OpenCL support on OSX like in Houdini's case, btw Houdini can't even support multiple GPUs so unless new MP comes with single GPU as well those who use Houdini are paying for something they cannot utilize, right now.

Compositing remains somehow strong on Mac due to Nuke being dominant and not utilizing GPU at all unless in 3D space and not touching CUDA until you load some CUDA powered plug in. On contrary Fusion on Win/Linux utilizes NVidia Maximus technology and favors CUDA across the workflow.

Keyshot remains a good raytracing choice on Mac due to intensive CPU usage and it will work just fine on new MPs

What do you mean transferred there? It was never strong on the Mac. Go back a few years. Maya was only available as maya complete on Mac. 3ds Max is Windows only to this day. Soft Image (XSI) has always been on Windows. I can't remember if that one is on Linux. I haven't compared Houdini, but a lot of stuff has simply never been available with identical features in OSX. Compositing had somewhat of a Mac base due to Shake. I was also under the impression that keyshot was mainly used for things like visualizing packaging, as it saves having to photograph everything. It's not the most flexible package.

 

[dyn]

He has done a whole lot more for people in this forum than you have with your 85 posts.

He sells graphics cards for Macs. With the new Mac Pro this kind of business is nearly impossible. Of course he is very much against the new Mac Pro. It has the potential of putting him out of business. Anybody facing such thing will be very disgruntled.

 

[Frost7]

In my experience inexpensive NAS units often do not have the computing power to handle transfers quickly. The cheap CPU/memory are a very confining bottleneck.

This.

Most NAS enclosures under ≤$350 are honestly too slow for anything but a casual home user's usage.

 

[subsonix]

For a small amount of drives, USB 3 is most likely better than a NAS, as an alternative to a Thunderbolt disk enclosure.

 

[MacVidCards]

I think the lack of big internal storage options in the new Pro is a great decision. Too many external choices - NAS, Cloud, TB, USB3.

Do real people actually think this way?

"I'm so glad Big Business tells me what's best for me. I don't like all the choices that the world has to offer. Thank GOODNESS they know what's best for me"

 

[Cubemmal]

Do real people actually think this way?

Yes, because there aren't monopolies there is choice. Surprising folks here are having such trouble understanding what the other 99% wants.

 

[MacVidCards]

So...."Thank GOD the government has made BLUE pants mandatory, now I can just think about what color shirt to wear"

Is this what you are saying?

Help me here, I'm really curious how REMOVING internal choices is a good thing.

 

[derbothaus]

So...."Thank GOD the government has made BLUE pants mandatory, now I can just think about what color shirt to wear"

Is this what you are saying?

Help me here, I'm really curious how REMOVING internal choices is a good thing.

Because by removing them it opens up the ability to add external choices...I mean...right?
I don't get it either.
I do know that the Mac Pro is not at all for any of the 99%. Never was. Case could be made for the Power Mac's, yes as early on they were the only computer choice. Rich kids will buy whatever they will but it's market wasn't "kids with more money than sense (and professionals)". iMac, Macbook, iPad, iPhone, etc... They have those. The small percentage of content creators have always needed the Mac Pro. They still will but less flexibility is just that. Less. It can't be more. It is impossible.

 

[MacVidCards]

Because by removing them it opens up the ability to add external choices...I mean...right?
I don't get it either.

Thank you. I was starting to think I had a stroke and hadn't noticed yet. He starts off saying less choice is good, then his post a couple ago, is "we need more choices, that's what 99% of us want". I have just noticed of late that there is much squirrely math & logic on this board.

Well, I can cancel my appointment with my Brain Doctor then.

 

[slughead]

Do real people actually think this way?

"I'm so glad Big Business tells me what's best for me. I don't like all the choices that the world has to offer. Thank GOODNESS they know what's best for me"

That's what I said when I read this thread.

 

[WMD]

No storage--Apple may have done you a favor!

This is either trolling, or Stockholm Syndrome. I really can't tell which.

 

[MacVidCards]

He's part of the Kool Aid Corps.

Apple knows that selling "less" as "more" is going to require "inverted logic" and has sent them here like a plague of locusts. They have been knawing every bit of real logic they can get their mandibles on.

According to them, every real "Pro" on the planet has been stymied by their inability to keep the MP in their backpack.

 

[freejazz-man]

No, but it's an obvious change in computing that's been happening over years.

I'm not sure what kind of IT world you live in if you haven't seen storage move from the tower to NAS's or the cloud over the past few years. I think you underestimate the number of people that don't give a ****.

I work in a retouching studio, the only drives we keep in the towers are the boot drives. We keep all our storage on some NAS's because we aren't savages.

It's a workstation not a harddrive enclosure. The people complaining like you, macvidcards, are ridiculous. The only point you have is that there will be... more wires. Oh the humanity!!! What will I do with these wires!!!

The idea that you'd have to be some sort of apple shill to not mind is kinda overdramatic. Sure, I can see why it would bother some people (feel free to build your own USB3 enclosures as you insist on being as cheap as possible), but the market will come around to the options the mac pro will provide, it's been heading in that direction anyway.

 

[echoout]

no, but it's an obvious change in computing that's been happening over years.

I'm not sure what kind of it world you live in if you haven't seen storage move from the tower to nas's or the cloud over the past few years. I think you underestimate the number of people that don't give a ****.

I work in a retouching studio, the only drives we keep in the towers are the boot drives. We keep all our storage on some nas's because we aren't savages.

It's a workstation not a harddrive enclosure. The people complaining like you, macvidcards, are ridiculous. The only point you have is that there will be... More wires. Oh the humanity!!! What will i do with these wires!!!

The idea that you'd have to be some sort of apple shill to not mind is kinda overdramatic. Sure, i can see why it would bother some people (feel free to build your own usb3 enclosures as you insist on being as cheap as possible), but the market will come around to the options the mac pro will provide, it's been heading in that direction anyway.

wtf?

 

[thedarkhorse]

I do not need Apple to supply my drives. Odds are I can buy better ones from companies specialising in them. Then in a few years better ones will be out to upgrade to.

The point is *space* to do it inside the box. My desk has enough things on it already thank you. It also comes with space for a tower for some odd reason.

Well considering the new mac pro size you can probably get a decent size external raid paired with it and it will still take up less space than the cheesegrater pro. Shell out an old mac pro chasis and it could hold it all.

 

[Apple Corps]

Thank you. I was starting to think I had a stroke and hadn't noticed yet. He starts off saying less choice is good, then his post a couple ago, is "we need more choices, that's what 99% of us want". I have just noticed of late that there is much squirrely math & logic on this board.

Well, I can cancel my appointment with my Brain Doctor then.

Hey - don't knock the squirrels. If squirrels operated with the logic I have been seeing of late on this forum they would all be extinct by now.

 

[ActionableMango]

We keep all our storage on some NAS's because we aren't savages.

So anyone with different needs and preferences than yours is a savage. What incredible arrogance.

 

[MacVidCards]

So anyone with different needs and preferences than yours is a savage. What incredible arrogance.

Yet another sign that he is part of the Cupertino Kool Aid Squad.
The title of this thread is BS, that is why I posted in it. "Fewer choices is good" is never true.

 

[Tesselator]

I ran Freenas back when it was just Freenas 7 for near 3 years without ever running into an issue. If you have a decent CPU and plenty of ram, and a Gigabit ethernet card, it had pretty impressive read/write speeds.

Personally I am saving up for a 5 bay QNAP. They have a good reputation, expandable ram, and a built in HDMI port. Not to mention it has a native XBMC app.

Yup! I ran mine on a 333MHz Dec Alpha cpu with T-Base100 ethernet (around 100MB/s - bidirectional) and it all just worked - never a problem. I guess if someone is getting slow speeds it's a configuration issue - i.e.. pilot error. Either network configuration or collisions caused from routing arrangements.



In the drama department
I don't really see why the adversity to freejazz-man and opinions similar to his. I can totally see his point. Koolaid to me means the acceptance and belief of something that's untrue for and of the public promotion of the untruth. So that doesn't seem to fit in his case at all. Who can honestly engage in the denial of the facts surrounding the unit sales and popularity of external storage systems such as

Network Attached Storage (NAS),
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS),
USB Attached SCSI (UAS),
External SATA (eSATA),
USB3 Direct Enclosures,
FireWire (although not popular and now dead)
and so on and so forth.​

Companies like DROBO, INC. have been able to rip off (err, profit from) thousands due to the wild popularity of and demand for robust external storage. And the Xserve type file servers he mentioned are just plain common-sense good practice. Every sizable sane artist pool on the planet configures like that - with the exception of the comp and edit bays. About a 265GB SSD and a 100 or 1,000 base network connection is pretty typical from what I've seen. Employed home or "DeskTop" artists and content creators seem to almost always emulate this model as well but instead of the Net Storage being shared with a pool of other artists in the company it's exclusive to their personal work environment - which allows then to select other interfaces - which more aptly scale for their needs and budget.

I thought this was all very well known? It's been the norm as I've seen it for the past 4 or 5 years at least. So why call the guy a Koolaider? I don't get it. <shrug>

Just considering Video and Still workflow
Pay attention to where the Ref and Managed files live.
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[scottsjack]

In the old days people wanted Apple to supply all our needs: servers, storage, etc.

Are you kidding? Who would want to get hard drives from Apple? I do not want Apple to supply all my (computing) needs. Just provide the right package, then I will install the correct technology for my needs.

My real (yes I'll go there) Mac Pro has two 2TB boot drives, three 4TB data drives and a Blu-ray burner. That is what works for me.

If Apple wants to do me a favor they will offer an updated, big-box Mac Pro for sale. I need what is inside a 5,1. I do not need what is inside a 6,1. Both machines could easily coexist along side each other.

 

[OS6-OSX]

You all are so short sighted! Of course apple is doing me a favor with no internal storage or expandability.
1. I would have to buy an external enclosure for the 4HD's currently inside my MP. (part of 8HD raid)
2. I would have to buy a PCIe FW800 card for a Raidon external enclosure that is connected to the current MP via the FW800 port
3. I would have to buy another external enclosure to house:
a. The PCIe FW800 card listed in #2
b. My ATTO R644 card
c. My Nvidia Quadro 4000
d. My PCIe Express34 adapter
4. Buy a external enclosure for my DVD burner

If the MP 6.1 base started at $2000.00, what would be the total cost including items from 1-4? Add $750.00 if the Q4000 is now useless because it's not in a 16x slot.

 

[MacVidCards]

blah blah blah....I don't really see why the adversity to freejazz-man and opinions similar to his. I can totally see his point. Koolaid to me means the acceptance and belief of something that's untrue for and of the public promotion of the untruth. So that doesn't seem to fit in his case at all. Who can honestly engage in the denial of the facts surrounding the unit sales and popularity of external storage systems such as

Network Attached Storage (NAS),
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS),
Bob Loblaw's law blog
blah blah blah blah blah​

Dude, you have run off the tracks and up the hill

nobody is saying that there is anything wrong with whatever geekazoid external storage anyone chooses to use

nobody gives a DAMN about that

look at title of thread

What we are saying is that REMOVING internal storage to FORCE EXTERNAL STORAGE isn't "Apple doing us a favor"

thanks for the lengthy diatribe, but staying on point might help​

 

[portishead]

I don't know about "doing us a favor" but I like the fact that Apple made a compact form factor. I just hope I can buy an empty external TB chassis for a decent price.