I hope you are wrong. If you are correct I can see this quickly turning into yet another $h1t storm for Apple.
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No TrueTone in iMac 2019? And what more is wrong
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Feel free to name another manufacturer that started selling a 5120x2880 500nit P3 color gamut display in 2012 or 2013, and I'll concede you were right when you said it was 6-year-old tech. Hint: There isn't one.
the only setup that can be ok if the thermals are still the same, is the base i5 6 cores 65W OR you must go to the i9 8C since that chip has some silicone for thermals in it and runs 10 degree celsius lower than any i7 in the last gen
I'm not really bothered by it because the lighting is always exactly the same in my studio. Once I calibrate it with my Spyder5 Pro, so it will be good for a while until I recalibrate a couple times per year as it slowly shifts. TrueTone is better for portables IMO. I can see how it could be useful for people who have windows they leave open while working. I prefer to work in darker conditions due to the glossy display and it keeps the colors more consistent.
Absolutely, you calibrate against a set brightness and set the room lightning after that.
At least „lots of RAM close to market price“ is easy to archive because you can install it yourself....
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Yes, but this is not an achievement from Apple but from Intel and AMD....
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TrueTone is not made for Photoshop Pros with calibrated displays....It‘s just s gimmick for couch surfers.....
if I decided to buy I will wait till the comparisons come out, I would like to know what V48 gets me for $450. I will be watching barefeats over the next few weeks as they usually do good comparisons
Will wait for 2020 iMac, Comet Lake with 10 cores and 4200rpm drives.
Clearly this was just a "do as little as possible speed bump" type of release. Released with no announcement, and, with no price increase (other than options like i9 or Vega 48). I guess one would speculate that it's function of 1) Apple just not being very interested in the iMac any longer, and/or 2) Apple waiting for some promised technology that hasn't come to fruition such as some monitor technology like 6k, 10nm chips that were promised and not delivered, etc. This is either a stopgap upgrade or clear sign that Apple is just not interested in developing the iMac anymore. That said, I think it's still a welcome upgrade for folks that need a new desktop and who want an iMac. They are still very nice machines. While the monitor may not be new any comparable external 5k monitor is pretty pricey.
No one is forcing anyone to buy the crappy low end versions. I think for a spec bump this is not a bad release. Think it should have been done a few months ago, but nevertheless, at least the top spec'd models will be noticeably faster. Thermals remain to be seen, but, with the entire mac lineup (mostly macbook sales) being at no more than 8% of Apple's sales, I'm not sure how much more you expect them to do? They certainly don't owe anyone anything. They are a for profit business. i could be wrong, but if there is a redesign, I wouldn't expect it before late 21. I also surprised that they are even bothering with any sort of mac pro which can't be very profitable for Apple. How many $6-15k customers can they possibly have.
I suspect this is a stopgap for an upcoming release that probably has been delayed. Otherwise this bump could have been done last Fall or even over the summer. The 8th-gen chips were out then and the Vega 48 appears to be a cut down version of the 56. No reason to wait until now to do it unless they were thinking they weren't going to do it. The lack of common features that every new Mac has had also points to this being some sort of band-aid.
I suspect they were planning either a completely redesigned iMac this spring or summer (maybe with ARM?) and something has derailed that plan. This probably led them to think they had to get something out now considering the 2017 is rather outdated. Although there is a very legitimate argument to be made that the 2019 iMac is already pretty outdated itself. In the 27" at least, the base CPU is already last generation and the base GPU is based on a card that is basically three years old (the Radeon 480). Couple that with a few missing modern Mac features (SSD and T2) and this feels like it is old before anyone even gets their hands on one.
I suspect they were planning either a completely redesigned iMac this spring or summer (maybe with ARM?) and something has derailed that plan. This probably led them to think they had to get something out now considering the 2017 is rather outdated. Although there is a very legitimate argument to be made that the 2019 iMac is already pretty outdated itself. In the 27" at least, the base CPU is already last generation and the base GPU is based on a card that is basically three years old (the Radeon 480). Couple that with a few missing modern Mac features (SSD and T2) and this feels like it is old before anyone even gets their hands on one.
If my memory serves me correct, P3 appeared in 5K iMac not immediately, but a year or two later after its premiere in 2014.
What about T2, then in my opinion these 21.5 and 27 models will not soon fly away from HDD and Fusion Drive and it remains to hope that the new iMac of future will be positioned as a new product branch already with the SSDs in the standard, while the current models will remain like the Last Star Fighe..ups, i mean the non-Retina models are holding up now.
And yes, if I were Apple and continued their policy, then on such a happy occasion, I would close the user access to RAM
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I do not know how it turns out, but at 21.5" iMac 2017, I easily watch the HDR movie. And I have something to compare with, for example, the 27" iMac 2013 Late showed same movies with gray and discolored (something like RAW photo with no correction). But for another example the LG TV with the official support for HDR shows this HDR content as it should. And 21.5" iMac shows same content in the same way, and sometimes it seems to me better than TV. Maybe this is a somekind built in fake-HDR support, but this is a really good fake-HDR.
But I agree with the claims, and if Apple continues to consider itself a breakthrough company, now it’s time to improve the display again. Maybe with Mini LED-like backlight
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I do believe the Fusion Drives are still an option on iMacs because market data says that people store a lot of their media (photos, music, movies, etc.) on their machines and even if Apple halved their SSD prices, 1 or 2TB would still be expensive.
With Apple pushing iCloud storage and iCloud Photo along with Apple Music and the new video service coming Monday, I could very much see Apple hoping that most iMac customers will shift to cloud storage and streaming media from local storage of media and they could then drop the Fusion Drive and make iMacs SSD-only starting at 256GB or 512GB and then the T2 (or it's successor) could be added.
This iMac generation is pretty much exactly what I expected, except >6 months late.
I didn't expect T2 BTW, and am glad they didn't saddle this year's iMacs with the problematic T2 chip / BridgeOS.
https://www.pocket-lint.com/tablets/news/apple/137264-what-is-apple-true-tone-display
The 9.7-inch iPad Pro features advanced display technologies, including a True Tone display, which uses new four-channel sensors to dynamically adjust the white balance of the display to match the light around you for a more natural and accurate, paper-white viewing experience.
I have a 2017 5K iMac. Now that I have a 120 Hz TrueTone iPad Pro, that's what I want for my next iMac. I could see people not wanting True Tone for their colour calibrated Macs for critical editing work, but you could simply turn that feature off for those situations.
It's remarkable just how much better page scrolling is, and how much nicer the colour balance often looks, on my 10.5" iPad Pro with 120 Hz Pro Motion and True Tone, as compared to my 2017 5K iMac.
I didn't expect T2 BTW, and am glad they didn't saddle this year's iMacs with the problematic T2 chip / BridgeOS.
No.
https://www.pocket-lint.com/tablets/news/apple/137264-what-is-apple-true-tone-display
The 9.7-inch iPad Pro features advanced display technologies, including a True Tone display, which uses new four-channel sensors to dynamically adjust the white balance of the display to match the light around you for a more natural and accurate, paper-white viewing experience.
I have a 2017 5K iMac. Now that I have a 120 Hz TrueTone iPad Pro, that's what I want for my next iMac. I could see people not wanting True Tone for their colour calibrated Macs for critical editing work, but you could simply turn that feature off for those situations.
It's remarkable just how much better page scrolling is, and how much nicer the colour balance often looks, on my 10.5" iPad Pro with 120 Hz Pro Motion and True Tone, as compared to my 2017 5K iMac.
This design was 2012, so it's within the decade, but your point is well taken. It is time for an update.
Found this thread when I was looking to see if any rumors were around that the iMac would incorporate True Tone in the future. I will definitely be buying one whenever it does, but will be waiting until then. I’d also love Promotion and Touch ID and/or FaceID to be incorporated too.
It does seem very frustrating that this technology has been available for almost a year on other Macs but that they skipped adding it in the iMac this time. I really hope it does get added sooner rather than later. I love it on my iPad and really miss it when I switch to a device that doesn’t have it.
It does seem very frustrating that this technology has been available for almost a year on other Macs but that they skipped adding it in the iMac this time. I really hope it does get added sooner rather than later. I love it on my iPad and really miss it when I switch to a device that doesn’t have it.
This statement summarizes it perfectly. Consistent, timely iMac refreshes are a thing of the past.
I agree Apple should make this feature available on the iMac, considering True Tone doesn't seem to require any new display tech, only an upgraded ambient light sensor (and the ability to adjust the display's color temperature, which has been in MacOS for multiple decades at this point).