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Software Version 2.0 and the App Store will change this business totally.

Doubt it since it's not offering anything that the other manufacturers don't already.

Symbian may be open and free to develop for, but does it/will it have an app-store of types on every single Symbian running phone?

What is the distribution process on Symbian phones?

These are genuine questions. Thanks for any info.
 
Symbian may be open and free to develop for, but does it/will it have an app-store of types on every single Symbian running phone?

What is the distribution process on Symbian phones?

These are genuine questions. Thanks for any info.

1. There's a small app store on some Nokia phones that you can download an install on your phone
2. App installation:

a) download directly on phone using built in web browser and install
b) Bluetooth push from your PC and install on symbian phone
c) use nokia provided application ( windows only ) to install on to phone
d) send SMS with URL and download


3. most applications can be downloaded from web sites, similar to Mac apps - allaboutsymbian.com, my-symbian.com , www.s60.com etc etc etc.
 
1. There's a small app store on some Nokia phones that you can download an install on your phone
2. App installation:

a) download directly on phone using built in web browser and install
b) Bluetooth push from your PC and install on symbian phone
c) use nokia provided application ( windows only ) to install on to phone
d) send SMS with URL and download


3. most applications can be downloaded from web sites, similar to Mac apps - allaboutsymbian.com, my-symbian.com , www.s60.com etc etc etc.

Interesting. So Apple's app-store is very similar to the one used by Symbian. Has this been good for developers (the app store)? Or would you say it isn't utilized much, or has few apps to download?

I'm just wondering whether this implementation has worked in the past. Maybe a glimpse into the iPhone's future.
 
I don't get it. How is Nokia going to benefit of giving symbian for free for other manufacturers.

Developers who still have to pay the signing of their applications will have to go through Nokia.

Symbian may be open and free to develop for, but does it/will it have an app-store of types on every single Symbian running phone?

What is the distribution process on Symbian phones?

These are genuine questions. Thanks for any info.

Don't forget applications you buy on the iPhone will be attached your account so you can't just sell your applications to someone else when you don't want it anymore; with Symbian, you can transfer your license...
 
Ugh. Symbian sucks worse than Windows Mobile. Every Symbian-driven SonyEricsson or Nokia phone I've ever used is like some 80's home computer... slow as molasses, butt ugly graphics, primitive, cumbersome, unintuitive, crashes and hangs all the time. Nokia has my condolences.
 
1. There's a small app store on some Nokia phones that you can download an install on your phone
2. App installation:

a) download directly on phone using built in web browser and install
b) Bluetooth push from your PC and install on symbian phone
c) use nokia provided application ( windows only ) to install on to phone
d) send SMS with URL and download


3. most applications can be downloaded from web sites, similar to Mac apps - allaboutsymbian.com, my-symbian.com , www.s60.com etc etc etc.

I think Nokia need to get their distribution channels together - at the moment we have Ovi, Comes with Music, N-Gage and Download!. They need to combine all that under one umbrella (probably Ovi) and they'll really kick arse.
 
Interesting. So Apple's app-store is very similar to the one used by Symbian. Has this been good for developers (the app store)? Or would you say it isn't utilized much, or has few apps to download?

I'm just wondering whether this implementation has worked in the past. Maybe a glimpse into the iPhone's future.

There isn't one for all Symbian devices, the one used for Nokia ( which is preloaded on to phones ) is for Nokia phone and no other flavour of Symbian and is much different. The Apple one is probably much different.

All the symbian phones I've had, I've had no problem with, personally. And yes, I've put plenty of apps on my phone. I certainly haven't brought the East coast cell network crashing down <g>.
 
Ugh. Symbian sucks worse than Windows Mobile. Every Symbian-driven SonyEricsson or Nokia phone I've ever used is like some 80's home computer... slow as molasses, butt ugly graphics, primitive, cumbersome, unintuitive, crashes and hangs all the time. Nokia has my condolences.

LOL, try a new model maybe?
 
Yes, Nokia may be "scared" and that's something that good for companys to be in some manner. That's when they do things, both desperate, good and bad.

Why did Apple invent the iPhone? Right, because they were scared, desperatly scared of Nokia stealing their lovely revenue. Sure, Apple might have owned the mp3-player market (in the U.S. at least) but as soon as Nokia added mp3-capability to their phones they became the dominant player. Steve Jobs saw this, got "scared" (or saw an opportunity if you want) and made a decision between "throw our development of the iPod, itunes and so on in the thrash (ouch, how the stock-price hurts!!!) or start developing phones".

I think Apple still is more scared than Nokia. Apple might have sold 10 million more phones in 2007 than in 2006, Nokia probably sold a couple of 100 million more phones in 2007 than 2006. I wouldn't be too afraid. In the same time Apple's iPod sales are stagnating...

Just a little correction here .... SonyEricsson was the dominant cellphone player when it came to music phones, lol. Nokia DID make a huge dent along with them though ;)

Symbian may be open and free to develop for, but does it/will it have an app-store of types on every single Symbian running phone?

What is the distribution process on Symbian phones?

These are genuine questions. Thanks for any info.

Um ... lmao ....

I think MANY users here have NO CLUE about Symbian and just how powerful and WHY Nokia sells the lions share of smartphones across the world. Phones are sold either via providers or retail market. Applications ... you have many online stores or blogs or straight from developers/developer houses.

Media: Pics, documents, videos, music sharing = Ovi
http://www.ovi.com/ovi/app/ovi/web/index/

Games ... remember the N-Gage phone? HAH its fully matured into a gaming store and API now.
http://www.n-gage.com/ngi/ngage/web/g0/en/location.html

Devices for corporate world and software & initiatives behind them:
http://www.nokiaforbusiness.com/nfb...guid=bb619bb3c8ba6110VgnVCM100000708ef393RCRD

* Oh did I mention support for not just MS Exchange, but also for Novell GroupWise or Lotus Domino?!:
http://www.nokiaforbusiness.com/nfb...guid=0fb83b9acef96110VgnVCM100000708ef393RCRD

- the largest nuclear power company in the USA rely's on the security of Novel GroupWise.


now for info on Symbian:
* Press: http://www.symbian.com/news/pr/2008/pr20089950.html
* Scope: http://www.symbian.com/developer/fastfacts/index.html
* Recent Symbian OS Releases: http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/releases/symbianosreleases.html
* Symbian OS facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS
^ take a seriously GOOD read here to know just how powerful this OS is ... and realize just how close to a desktop OS it really is; not just what is "capable" but also what is being DONE to enable it!

FACTS:
* 154 Million current phones (Q1 2008) in the market place
* $4.1US avg Royalty/unit
* Number of Symbian models in development: 70
* 9,282 third-party Symbian applications now commercially available, a 24% increase on 31 March 2007 (7478 applications)
* Symbian OS is 10yrs old; roughly a little older if you count its powerful, and yet humble beginnings: Epoc. Remember Psion?!

Development, tip of the iceberg:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/open_c/quickstart.html


End user joys?
Flash Lite 3.0
Python, Ruby based applications, SQL Lite
Remember Apples core idea of Widgets? How about on your phone ... http://www.widsets.com/library.html (btw, its been there longer than the iPhone).

Now with Vodafone (arguably the worlds largest provider - in # of users, Coverage and partnerships, and places they offer services), NTT DoCoMo (a network serving 100's of millions of subscribers; a network the iPhone will never be on), multiple manufacturers working together, what does Nokia have to fear from Apple, and their iPhone?! Seriously? I think its more a pre-emptive counter strike against Andriod and other mobile Linux entities.
 
what the heck are you smoking? cell industry has been innovating for the last 20 years, the devices available today are nothing what they used to be and the innovation has only been accelerating in the recent years. apple's contribution is one over-hyped device that has had decent sales in one market.

other than multitouch apple's phone has nothing that wasn't available five years ago and lacks pile of innovative technologies that have are expected in cell phones.

Sjo makes a good point. But i would like to add that this is only strategy that we have seen until now from a mobile phone in an afford to protect their market share. I wish to see what HTC and blackberry can do to counter this influence as well.
 
i think symbian is pretty impressive (used it on several nokia smartphones: 6681, e61, thinking of getting an e71 rather than iphone 3g). But like most mobile applications (open-source or proprietary, though the latter try to make their apps "seem" more user-friendly) it seems to be in its adolescence compared to the user-interfaces we're used to in PCs at this point.

isn't nokia actually buying symbian going to lead to more proprietary b*llshit?
 
Funny how something based on Unix which was first released in 1969 is a "modern OS" Yes it has been under continuous development for 30+ years but the basic design has not changed. Possibly it works because those 30+ year old computers where about as powerful as today's cell phones. It's a good match up.

The cell phones are probably even more powerful...
 
isn't nokia actually buying symbian going to lead to more proprietary b*llshit?

No? They sell unlocked phones that let you do pretty much anything u want. I've been streaming music (can't stop me ATT!), using full mp3s as ringtones, playing divx, sending 5mp pics as multimedia messages with no problems. I <3 them.
 
That is an absurd statement. You aren't fake Steve Ballmer are you?

Expected technologies:
* Copy and Paste already.
* Flash Lite 3.0 helps browsing sites that USE it. Mobile YouTube is not efficient.
* That speakerphone proximity sensor that Steve bragged about? was on a phone older than 8yrs ago ... Ericsson R520m! No other phone has used that paradigm until now ... patents DO go out of date you know.
* Advertising iPhone as a corporate acceptable device? You NEED to support more than 1 Email platform - not just MS'. Lotus Domino has some SERIOUS power and v 8 Notes & Domino support Open Document File type.
* Touchscreen has been here for a LONG time and I swear if MS improved the Windows Mobile by innovating every 6 mths as it SHOULD have, the iPhone wouldn't bee so surprising to enjoy; trust me. HTC makes great devices and their TouchFlo UI is getting VERY close to the iPhone experience. However I cannot STAND MS' Mobile OS. Its horribly implemented.

My point is, sure we can LOVE the iPhone and what it represents. 1yr is strong, but not enough to sing praise, considering its current limitations and growth into 3rd party developers its got a LONG hill ahead for the long run. The world market has different perceptions on phone usage. We'll see how it works out.

The fact is, Nokia have been selling the same handset in a different plastic case for the past ten years. While the cellphone industry inched forward with email functionality, internet, etc. no one really took a lead and did any of it "properly" (is in, usably). I'm not pointing fingers, since admittedly most of the work was engineering-based, getting the tech to work in the first place. But it wasn't really difficult for Apple to come along and do things "right".

Are you drunk?! RIM has been doing Email (corporate) for more than 5yrs and doing it VERY well. Internet I'd so is so so; we'll see the BB Bold evolve significantly this summer in this realm. RIM is THE KING of EMAIL (BlackBerry) worldwide BAR NONE!

Just look at the email client built-in (read: hidden) in any Sony Ericsson handset, or the 15-clicks-to-launch GMail j2me client (which was great, once it was running!), and then compare it to Mail or Safari on the iPhone.

Really?! I have "Applications" setup as my Shortcut key on my SE K850i.
9 Clicks! Bam I'm launching Opera Mini! 6 for GMail J2ME. my apps alphabetically are:
1. SonyEricsson (web link; part of the Firmware)
2. eBuddy (MSN/Yahoo/ICQ/AOL IM client PURE FREE just my data usage I pay for).
3. FaceWarp
4. Gmail
5. Google Maps
6 HP Print
7 MobyExplorer
8 Opera Mini
9. Photo Mate.

* this ALL includes the K850i from standby mode on the Homescreen, pressing the O-Pad to wake it, shorcut key, pressing UP to get to "Applications" Opera Mini (9), (8clicks) if I include the "*" key and touchcapacitance key to unlock the phone from standby. No big deal because its fast.

* Now lets compare Email on the BB (whether on BIS or BES) to iPhones Mail (user or via MS Exchange). No contest the BB kills the iPhone. I'll get to my point later.

Nokia took the lead with the most intuitive UI (comparatively), which Sony Ericsson then one-upped with better icons (and animation!). Motorola focused on awesome hardware (solid build, great audio quality) and sadly forgot to get any UI designers at all (hence, good looking, unusable handsets!). Meanwhile Apple worked on iPod and OS X until they were ready to launch (note: not just announce) a product.

Wow short attention span there. Apple "Announced" the iPhone 1.0; Six MONTHS before it was delivered. FCC approved it almost 2mths before sales by AT&T begun. Announce a product indeed.

The next step in the saga is Google's Android platform (which will be great when it ships, but probably nowhere near as advanced as iPhone 3.0 — vaporware is always a beotch to debug).

Here's to seeing more iPhones on the tube (and elsewhere!) — because the more people are on the platform, the better it is for all of us! :)

Great Post JayBee. I know Steve Jobs isn't perfect, he's still human... but he has incredible foresight on both seeing current, and creating future trends. When the iPod came out, it was predicted a failure. Oops. We were wrong, he was right. The iPhone is changing everything, all the pieces are in place. The most amazing gadget ever, a solid core OS, lots of new and experienced developers, and the App store built right into the core software of the phone. They've covered all the bases from the beginning to the end.

I think the App Store is the sleeping giant of iPhone 2.0, as soon as people, regular people (not smartphone geeks) start seeing everything you can do on your iPhone, all the other developing platforms are going to have to scramble to hold on to any kind of ground and marketshare.

Hmm you must NOT remember the Newton do you?!
* It TOO was powerful and forward thinking!
* It allowed Email over the network but at 9.6/19.9/21.3kbps SLOOW.
* It allowed faxing; oh yeah btw, FAX was the Email of the dinosaurs!
* Those that can find video of the MessagePad on the web, I emplore you to find the OS X "poof" animation! Yup the Newton had it too, and FIRST.

Basically the Newton was VERY powerful, yet although it was huge that wasn't what killed it. Its accessories enabled it further, and marketing was spot on. However, what KILLED it was its CLOSED system. It took YEARS - long after Steve angrily made it a bastard stepchild - for homebrew/3rd party apps to be enabled for it. I still see a limited and governing body type system with Symbian, Palm OS, and the iPhone.

* Symbian is changing so that developers won't need to "sign" their apps, nor the end users - a response to years ago when its file system was cracked and N-Gage games became EASILY FREE, end user fonts could be customized into the system (its still there but with software now).
* Apple governs ALL 3rd party apps to be from the iTunes Store or the mobile version. Ur apps have to get Apple approval before listed. Sure it means that they'll work, but what if it enabled too much user freedom of installation sources, or more precise control of the overall unit?! Yeah I doubt those apps make it in the next 3yrs on the iPhone. Funny I thought Apple was the pirates ;).
* Andriod, and LiMo Foundation allows NE1 that can code to be able to market their own software/works and allow the END user "choice" on where to purchase/download them! Symbian already has most of this in placel
* Funny but those that remember Palm OS 5.1 will recall how Palm did the EXACT Opposite of what Nokia is doing today. I STILL cannot fathom why they haven't gone out of business YET! They waist money, mindshare, and licensee's trust like no parasite before it.
 
You need a new wife...

No you need to understand that Apple is getting into a market that they do not totally understand. And they started in the poorest mobile market of them all.

They are pushing a phone that will not make huge sales, they are pushing it at a time when people believe there is a recession on, so committing up to $100 a month (the international plans convert to this, if not more) is way too much, especially for what it gives you.

Yeah there are problems with some S60 phones, I have one, and have problems with it, but would happily by another. And I can send MMS messages, I can forward SMS messages to other people, I can cut/paste. I can use it on pre-pay
 
very interesting. i still think the iphone will end up being the best though

With 2 megapixel camera it is very hard for iphone to end up the best.

You can get a FREE Nokia N95 with 8 GB harddrive if u sign up for a £30 contract. 5 mega pixel plus flash light

iPhone' s camera is useless.It has the same camera like the low end phones from other manufacturers .

Of course it depends if you value the ability to take quality pictures on a cell phone ( i do )
 
iphone camera

With 2 megapixel camera it is very hard for iphone to end up the best.

You can get a FREE Nokia N95 with 8 GB harddrive if u sign up for a £30 contract. 5 mega pixel plus flash light

iPhone' s camera is useless.It has the same camera like the low end phones from other manufacturers .

Of course it depends if you value the ability to take quality pictures on a cell phone ( i do )

I use many iphone photos i have taken as screensavers on my 20" imac screen. it's a HUGE screen, and don't ask me what it's resolution is, but I'm sure it is likewise megapixellicious. The iphone shots look great. (Granted, not as good as photos from my 6 megapixel cannon) "I know Nokia. I've had Nokia. Believe me, you're no Nokia." Thank God.
 
I use many iphone photos i have taken as screensavers on my 20" imac screen. it's a HUGE screen, and don't ask me what it's resolution is, but I'm sure it is likewise megapixellicious. The iphone shots look great. (Granted, not as good as photos from my 6 megapixel cannon) "I know Nokia. I've had Nokia. Believe me, you're no Nokia." Thank God.

Nope, I saw pictures from iPhone and they are rubbish. Check this photo , it was taken with sony ericcson k800i ( 3.2 mega pixel ). Please put one of your iPhone photos so everyone can compare it.

I was dreaming about the new iPhone that it would have a decent camera but unfortunately it did not happen.

I dont know where you are from but I guess from USA. You dont have good Nokia , Sony , Samsung phones offered by Mobile networks.
 
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