No, but it would mean they would be opening themselves up to lawsuits that they can't afford.
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No, but it would mean they would be opening themselves up to lawsuits that they can't afford.
Question is: why do you want Nokia?
Do you want solid build quality? HTC got you covered.
Screen? LG/HTC/Samsung/Sony got you covered.
Camera? Again, the above has it covered. Unless you really want pure view.
Audio? Again, the above got it covered. HTC One and GS4 are even said to incorporate much better micro phones for audio recording along with video.
What else?
All you are going to get is a skinned device with good build, camera etc etc which again, HTC covers quite nicely.
The only hope is nexus but then again, google will hold back and not let Nokia build a nexus that trashes the galaxy or the One or the optimus. So what help is that? Besides google has already purchased Motorola if they ever want to make hardware (and i sure hope they do!) so again, where does Nokia fit in?
It is wish full thinking. IMO, it is not really "choice" if everyone out there is making skinned android devices. Already have tons of that. Would rather have nokia try real hard with MS to make WP better and more adopted and give us another good option. THAT is more choice.
We don't know the details of the contract between MS and Nokia, so you're just speculating. It's the same thing as when everyone was thought WP will be exclusive to Nokia, yet HTC and Samsung came up with their own devices.
I never said I want Nokia. What you described can be applied to any manufacturer, not just Nokia. Why is LG making Android phones when they are no different from Samsung's? Somehow they still manages to sell 10 million smartphones in Q1'13. The same can be said about Sony: Why are they still in the business while HTC and Samsung "pretty much got everyone covered"? I guess they don't.
You are right that the competition in the Android market is fairly tough, but for some reason all the major manufacturers are still selling more smartphones than Nokia. Sure, Nokia's sales have been getting better but the pace is way too slow. They are making loss quarter by quarter and that can't continue forever.
I would argue that there's no room for three major ecosystems in the market. If we go back in time and look at the PC industry, Windows and Apple's OS have always been the major OSs. Why? Because they were the first ones to be widely adopted. In the case of smartphones, these OSs are iOS and Android. Most people just want their phones to work, they don't want to spend hours learning how to use the thing and tinker with all the nice little animations. The problem is, for most people iOS and Android are "good enough" so they don't see the need to switch. Manufacturers have also realized this as Nokia is the only one who is putting some serious effort on WP phones, though MS is certainly shooting at their own leg with all the stupid limitations - with Android there's more freedom and that allows OEMs to differentiate their products (and makes the market more appealing).
I'm just very, very skeptical about the future of WP. To me it seems like MS thinks they can just ride on the Windows name and sooner than later people will switch to it since that's what their computers run. The WP platform needs to be better than iOS or Android to really gain popularity, but that's not going to be an easy task as iOS and Android are already pretty darn good. Or maybe I'm just tired of all the Nokia kool-aid everyone drinks here in Finland...
I am sorry but I don't buy the two OS thing just like the traditional two party thing. Having ios and android only means if you don't like either, you are SOL.
People buy galaxy, not android. They buy iPhone, not ios.
Sure lg is selling a lot of phones by where? Korea? That's like saying zte is selling a lot of phones in china so they should stick to android.
You make an OS that covers the basics right, either give huge incentives or pay the devs of the big 100 apps on AppStore to port their app fully to your OS, and market your OS like apple or Samsung, you will get sales. Nokia isn't doing that at all. Zero ads here where I live. I see a Samsung ad 10 times a day.
And htc and lg and Sony could only dream of what Samsung is making right now. They are "okay" but still not away from danger. Not at all. Sony is losing money rapidly, and htc is losing sales quarter over quarter as well.
What would their agreement with MS have to do with lawsuits against Android? Even if you take Microsoft off the list of people who would sue Nokia for using Android, Apple still would. It's what they do, especially if the product becomes successful.
Your statements contradict. If people don't buy the phone based on the OS, then how come one will be SOL if he likes neither of the OSs? That makes absolutely no sense.
The only thing that matters is the quantity, not where the phones were sold. Nokia sold 5.6 million Lumia's in Q1'13, while LG sold 10.3 million smartphones. 10.6m is more than 5.6m, even if every single LG phone was sold in Korea.
Apple and Google didn't have to pay for devs to code apps, they moved to the platform naturally. That's why being the first matters.
Even HTC and Sony are both making profit, while Nokia is constantly losing money.
What Apple has to do with Android and Nokia? Apple doesn't own Android or have contracts with Nokia. If Nokia was scared of Apple's lawsuits, then they would have exited the market years ago. It's not like Apple hasn't sued Nokia over some meaningless UI patent before.
Because the other guy who doesn't buy them based on marketing alone wants something else? If a wp8 phone is marketed like galaxy, I am sure it would sell and people who want a third OS can buy it with confidence knowing that the mass consumer is supporting it. Do you get it now? Phones which sell to mass consumers are great for the informed buyer who chooses them because of no fear of "less support, apps, ecosystem etc". Basically what I am saying is a successful third OS phone can be good for people who buy that third OS phone not because of marketing, but the OS.
I wonder if you got it.
But that's not what the masses will buy, which is what keeps the whole ecosystem alive. There is a reason why companies spend billions on marketing each year: it works. If you think your product will sell itself, then you'll be out of the business very soon. Geeks may find and use it but the extreme minority isn't enough to keep something like Nokia going for years.
Lol I guess I suck at explanations.
That is not what I am saying.
For example, suppose that, Nokia does huge marketing of the Lumia. People buy it because "cool this and cool that etc". All good now. All devs hop on board and make apps and the platform is booming and providing a solid choice.
Okay, the base is set.
Now suppose, I am disgruntled by both ios and android and am looking for a third OS. I see how nice the Lumia is doing and it just happens to be running the OS that I would LOVE to use. Now all of a sudden life is great because a) I like that third OS and b) that OS is running on a phone that is selling a lot. (ironically, in reality I don't like wp much only because of metro lol, but this is an example).
So the majority is buying a "Lumia" and doesn't care about the OS but I do and I benefit from the OS being a solid mass hit. I am buying wp in that example unlike majority. Their blind purchase helps me being happy with my informed decision about that OS.
Re-iterated slightly, IF a 3rd OS does good mass consumer wise, the minority of people which likes that OS, benefits for staying with it.
I guess now it should be clear
