Nokia to Sell Digital Health Division Back to Withings Co-Founder

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Nokia has revealed plans to sell its digital health business back to the co-founder of Withings, the French health tracking company Nokia bought in 2016.

    Finland-based Nokia originally acquired Withings for $192 million in an effort to re-establish a presence in the consumer electronics market, rebranding Withings' iOS-compatible smart connected home products as well as a range of health and fitness wearables.


    However, it looks as if the acquisition simply didn't pay off for the erstwhile mobile phone powerhouse. In 2017, the digital health division earned just $62.4 million in revenue, but the rest of the company posted sales of $27.9 billion. Now Nokia is handing back the business to Withings' co-founder, Éric Carreel. The sale will likely be at a significant loss, although the Nokia press release didn't mention figures:
    The announcement follows recent reports of layoffs from the company, as well as a leaked memo that revealed the digital health division was in a bad way with little prospect of turning things around. Then in October, Nokia announced a $164 million write-down of the division's assets. Google and Samsung were reportedly looking into taking the ailing health business off Nokia's hands, but today's announcement suggests nothing substantial came of the negotiations.

    Article Link: Nokia to Sell Digital Health Division Back to Withings Co-Founder
  2. brucewayne macrumors member

    Nov 8, 2005
    We bought the Thermo, BP Cuff and Smart scale before Nokia took over and they have worked almost flawlessly for years. The only problem we had was with their watch and Nokia support was useless for that.

    Glad to see Withings take it back over
  3. spazzcat macrumors 68030


    Jun 29, 2007
    Good! Nokia has not don't a single good thing with Withings. The new app is a mess, and they broke old hardware for months at a time.
  4. Linas7 macrumors newbie


    Jun 10, 2009
    Withings products were distinct and I actually liked the style of the watches.
  5. honglong1976 macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2008
    That's great news. Back to the Withings brand. How frustrating for those who upgraded their Withings to Nokia branded goods only for them to revert back to Withings again.
  6. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Looks like Nokia is still trying to figure out what they want to do as a business.
  7. Deimo macrumors member

    Apr 26, 2005
    Hopefully now they can push ahead with better integration. I purchased the scale because of 3 factors: 1, it was integrated with HealthKit, 2, it had a rechargeable battery and 3, it was the most visually appealing scale to my eyes. It replaced a Fitbit Aria whose lack of HealthKit integration was quite annoying and I haven't really looked back since, it would just be much better if the integration was a little more seamless. Top of the list is how the scale records lean muscle mass, but must use a different name for it in the data as it's not rendered in HealthKit on the iPhone.
  8. projectle macrumors 6502a

    Oct 11, 2005
    Hopefully they will return functionality that Nokia elected to remove from firmware (like most recently the removal of Pulse Wave Velocity from their high end Scale making it identical to the much cheaper model), or the blood pressure cuff’s variable second wait feature for people who don’t remember to sit down for 5 minutes beforehand like my wife to ensure an accurate reading, or ...
  9. LV426 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 22, 2013
    Good. Now make your products so that they don’t require an ‘account’ to function, process highly personal medical information, and send the results in plain text email, like writing your medical history on a postcard.
  10. NexusUser macrumors member


    Aug 24, 2016
    I have the Body Cardio scale and Steel HR watch from them and they both work flawlessly. The problem is that Nokia has basically been treading water ever since they bought Withings. I'm extremely worried that they've lost too much ground to Fitbit in the last couple of years and that it may be too late to turn it around.
  11. WilliamG macrumors G3

    Mar 29, 2008
    The first issue is nothing to do with Nokia, as I understand it. The email about its removal I received referenced “regulatory approval.”
  12. GadgetBen macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2015
    Nokia are an absolute joke, we have the body scale and Nokia removed some of the key features of the scale and completely ruined the old Withings app when they took it over.

    Nokia have no idea what they should be doing anymore.
  13. ghost187 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 18, 2010
    Nokia has done everything possible to ruin this brand, I hope Withings only paid pennies on the dollar.
  14. Stella macrumors G3


    Apr 21, 2003
    Ugh, Nokia totally screwed up :-( Disappointing. On the bright side, they didn't totally trash Whithings - they made good products.
  15. g3nw1 macrumors newbie

    Aug 15, 2015
    After being an original customer since the start. I have completely lost faith in this brand. They sold their souls once and will do it again. Selling users data to the highest bidder. Nokia still has all my years of data! and Withings now expects customers to keep with them. I used to own every product from them. now only have the BP band that I rarely use. I will pass thanks. New customers beware.
  16. MacFan23 macrumors 6502

    Feb 17, 2010
    Interesting take. Personally I've always been very happy with Withings and was sad when they sold to Nokia, not because of my data but because of the fear that Nokia wouldn't innovate and eventually kill the products. Selling happens if the right offer comes along with every business. If you'd like, you can invoke your new GDPR rights and request that Nokia removes all personal data they hold on you once that goes live.
  17. honglong1976 macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2008
    I had a Withings tracker in 2012. Great app, product. Things have moved on and I don't think they can compete with Apple or Fitbit anymore. Give them a year and they will be another dead company.
  18. Zadigre macrumors regular


    Aug 7, 2011
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
    I bought 2 Sleep recently... hopefully they will still be supported in the future.
  19. kaz911 macrumors newbie

    Sep 23, 2014
    Withings and Nokia are equally bad

    Health App was bad before Nokia
    Health App got worse with Nokia

    Support was bad (non-existent) before Nokia
    Support was slightly better with Nokia

    Withings made good hardware
    But terrible software support - like Baby Monitor app that has not been updated since ? 7 years?
    Baby/Child Scales - no longer supported in app so does not longer work
    After a products is "slightly" mature - software updates stop even for iPhone/Android apps. If it is not in the health app - support dies after 3-12 months and is no longer updated.

    So from one hell to another hell and back again.

    But they have some unique products that work well if you do not rely on their app's.

    With the latest feature removal from the smart scales - I managed to negotiate a voucher for twice what they initially offered. I spent that on the BPM+ when it was on sale so got it for equal to 66% off SRP.

    App is still crap - but I hardly use it - data is feed into other systems and I use them from there.
  20. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

    Chupa Chupa

    Jul 16, 2002
    Yes, I'm hoping when it goes back to Withings it will get the whatever approval is needed to re-implement the Pulse Wave feature, not that I really put any weight (no pun) into it, but it is part of the feature set of the scale. I bought the scale for cheap so didn't feel the need to return it when Nokia offered to take it back. And the $30 they offered -- like I would want another overpriced, half-functional Nokia health product. Ha. Ha.
  21. Nell macrumors 6502a


    Jun 25, 2012
    I have the blood pressure cuff (which I really should use more) and a set of scales (not the pulse wave thingy ones) and have been very happy with both. The scales replaced an old pair of Fitbit ones that were wildly erratic from the start.

    The app isn’t great but the hardware is and the data goes into Apple HealthKit so effectively Withings/Nokia is the total opposite of Fitbit. Personally I’d always take great hardware and an average app over a good app but shoddy hardware which is constantly being replaced with newer models without any real improvement to the build quality.

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