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Save yourself the trouble of hassling with parts. When you buy a complete machine, there is no managing or hustling with third party hardware, and then self diagnosing, removing them before a repair. Mac is about the complete package, not your home brew projects. Would rather build a Hackintosh, www.tonymacx86.com, if you are a hardware geek.
 
not even close

a new rMBP with 16GB of RAM and 512GBSSD is $2499

you can get a 2012 non retina for $1449, get 16GB of RAM for under $100 and a 500GB SSD for $350

thats still $600 savings

its fine if you want to aruge other reason the rMBP is better but your statement is false

I was under the impression that we were talking 13" models here...given that the 13" is using last-generation guts and is still only $100 less than the Retina, no, I think I'm pretty much right on. Show me a decent $350 512gb SSD...it won't touch what is inside the Retina 13". And, again, you'll be at the same cost anyway or damn near. I really don't see the point in not getting the Retina. A 256/16gb Retina costs 1699 from Apple. The non-retina with 8gb of RAM costs 1699 from Apple with the 256 gb SSD. Sure, you could save some money on the RAM, and a bit on the SSD...but then you have a worse machine in every way. I just don't see the point for maybe $100 in savings.
 
I was under the impression that we were talking 13" models here...given that the 13" is using last-generation guts and is still only $100 less than the Retina, no, I think I'm pretty much right on. Show me a decent $350 512gb SSD...it won't touch what is inside the Retina 13". And, again, you'll be at the same cost anyway or damn near. I really don't see the point in not getting the Retina. A 256/16gb Retina costs 1699 from Apple. The non-retina with 8gb of RAM costs 1699 from Apple with the 256 gb SSD. Sure, you could save some money on the RAM, and a bit on the SSD...but then you have a worse machine in every way. I just don't see the point for maybe $100 in savings.

Samsung 840 Evo $309.00

you might have a case for a base model 13" being too close in price to not get retina, but my most you quoted is 100% accurate
 
If your uses are that demanding i would just go for the non retina. That way you can still save a few bucks, and when need be end up just upgrading along the way.

Now thats to say that you are doing the most basics of task, But then again, you could just get a retina model and not even worry about upgrading since you wont push the system too hard.

Now if you end up getting the non retina, just know the SATA III speeds arent nearly as fast as the PCIe on the retina models.

Well i hope you find the model you are looking for. good luck :)
 
Samsung 840 Evo $309.00

you might have a case for a base model 13" being too close in price to not get retina, but my most you quoted is 100% accurate

Great price, that's the cheapest I've seen. By the way, I agree that if you were talking about a 15", it would be a much better case to make. Hell I have a cMBP and I'm loving what I can do with it. But the fact that the regular 13 is almost the same price as the retina 13 (which is confusing to me) makes the case for the retina that much better.
 
my early 2011 is still a kickass machine, I have yet to buy into the "retina" trend, and I have never once thought my display was anything but clear and crisp, and people with low end PC laptops have always complimented how great my mbp looks.


I can put my own RAM and SSD upgrades in it

my MBP is not "heavy" or "thick" even though the new ones are lighter and thinner.


if you have unlimited funds than sure get the newest and maxed out spec model but if you want a MBP for under $1500 you will not regret geting a non retina 2011 or 2012 model

I have the early 2011 15" hi resolution mbp and I love it as well but it is starting to get a bit too big/thick for me and those retina with the IPS panels are pretty damn nice.

I have been contemplating on selling my 15" (dump it on eBay) and just grab a 13" rMBP recently, but I still can't justify myself to make the move.

I upgraded to 16GB of RAM and this machine does everything I want it to do.
 
OP: They are both good machines--I bought the rmpb and am happy with it, but I thought about the cmbp (I've used both--my wife has the 2011 cmbp).

People are right that it's probably not worth getting the cmpb if you need to upgrade it with an ssd right away. On the other hand, if you want the optical drive (I do actually miss it, and I keep having to remember where I put my external when I want it) and you don't need the extra performance immediately, you could save some money now by just getting the base model. It's still a pretty fast machine for most people's uses, and components will be cheaper later. It probably won't have great resale value in a few years, but you might not care--especially if you're still using it.

As far as the rmbp: I would get Applecare in case there is a problem, but I wouldn't be scared by reading about people's problems on the internet (mine is just fine, for the record). Obviously, there are people with problems, but if most late 2013 rmbps had screen trouble it would have been a major disaster for Apple. It is true that you'll probably need to get Apple to make any repairs on the computer, which is irritating and expensive.

However, the screen is, in fact, very nice, and it is a light and zippy computer--so it just depends on what is important to you. I spent a lot of time chewing over the cmpb/rmpb/air decision, and might have been happy with any of the three choices. They are all good laptops in slightly different ways.
 
If I were you I would chose the Retina, if I look at the Apple store prices, the non-retina is 1,199 and the 128gb ssd upgrade is 200, so it will cost you 1,399. The base Retina is 1,299 with 128gb ssd. So it's even cheaper.

Also I wouldn't be too worried about all the horror stories here about the screens, if you get it and your screen is bad, you can exchange it. If that's too much trouble for you just send it back and ask for a refund. And if you get the Apple Care you will be safe the first 3 years.

For the record, my Haswell Retina is just perfect and I absolutely love it, and I'm sure there are many people who experience it the same way.
 
If you are buying new then the rMBP is a no brainer. It's not much more than the non-Retina version and you gain A LOT more than the Retina screen. I had the same concerns before purchasing mine. Truthfully, the Retina is the last aspect of my rMBP that I notice the most. The weight, form factor, overall speed, and battery life are all dramatically improved over the older models. The rMBP is truly like a small netbook with an amazing screen, speed, and power.

Now, if you are looking to buy a slightly used cMBP to upgrade, that may save you some money.
 
If i was buying a comp right now, the 13 inch retina macbook pro is a beautiful machine. Or hold out for that supposed 12 inch air.
 
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