North America's Busiest Commuter Trains Now Support Apple Pay

[bytethese]

Hey guys, its not "New York City's LIRR", its MTA's LIRR.

 

[truthertech]

No, I'm not being a theif if the conductor refuses to come around or collect tickets on my trip. Maybe one of the reasons this happens is cause I'm a student and I'm only taking the train from Mineola to Cold Spring Harbor. That's not stealing, stealing would be one of those ass holes who runs around the train and hides when they actually are collecting tickets... To be clear, I am not the one at fault, it's the conductor, therefore I'm not responsible for not paying.

Ahh, now I understand. The real criminal is the conductor who is preventing you from following the honor system and paying your fare. Shame on him. It's like when a waitress forgets to leave you a check for the meal you ate; it's her fault not yours when you leave without paying. You are in the clear; now what was your question again on how we can help you continue to evade paying your fare?

 

[Shirasaki]

Well, when can I scan my phone to take train/bus/ferry/light rail in Sydney?

 

[roboats]

Ahh, now I understand. The real criminal is the conductor who is preventing you from following the honor system and paying your fare. Shame on him. It's like when a waitress forgets to leave you a check for the meal you ate; it's her fault not yours when you leave without paying. You are in the clear; now what was your question again on how we can help you continue to evade paying your fare?

Can I wait to activate the ticket until I know the conductor is coming to me/he's right in front of me? That way I don't activate a ticket for a ride when he doesn't come around

 

[TBN27]

Does their subway system support Apple Pay, yet?

No. probably after their fare collection system has been updated to a new contactless fare collection system

 

[amirite]

No, I'm not being a theif if the conductor refuses to come around or collect tickets on my trip. Maybe one of the reasons this happens is cause I'm a student and I'm only taking the train from Mineola to Cold Spring Harbor. That's not stealing, stealing would be one of those ass holes who runs around the train and hides when they actually are collecting tickets... To be clear, I am not the one at fault, it's the conductor, therefore I'm not responsible for not paying.

This is what we refer to as "mental gymnastics".

Like yeah I'd do the same thing but I wouldn't convince myself that it's somehow within the rules.

Here's another trick to save money: If you take a screenshot of your ticket and edit it to say "activated", you won't need to activate it at all! Then you can just change the date on the screenshot every time you ride and you'll never have to pay for another ticket as long as the conductor refuses to actually scan the QR code!

But if they ever do start checking the codes, you can figure out how the QR data is formed. You might be able to make your own QR codes! Hell you could probably forgo the screenshots all together and make an app which shows an "activated" ticket with the right date and everything (and a QR code if necessary).

As long as the conductor refuses to implement some form of encryption into the QR code system it's not your fault. And even if they do they'll probably refuse to assume you did all of the above, and will just blame their system.

And that's not your fault.
[doublepost=1475884875][/doublepost]By the way, conductors don't always check tickets on trains. In many places they only check on the occasional train.

When you buy a ticket you're paying for the journey—you're not paying for a conductor to look at it. The only difference between not paying for a ticket (if they don't check) and forging a ticket is the level of effort you went through to cheat the system. As well as the plausible deniability if caught.

 

[truthertech]

This is what we refer to as "mental gymnastics".

Like yeah I'd do the same thing but I wouldn't convince myself that it's somehow within the rules.

Here's another trick to save money: If you take a screenshot of your ticket and edit it to say "activated", you won't need to activate it at all! Then you can just change the date on the screenshot every time you ride and you'll never have to pay for another ticket as long as the conductor refuses to actually scan the QR code!

But if they ever do start checking the codes, you can figure out how the QR data is formed. You might be able to make your own QR codes! Hell you could probably forgo the screenshots all together and make an app which shows an "activated" ticket with the right date and everything (and a QR code if necessary).

As long as the conductor refuses to implement some form of encryption into the QR code system it's not your fault. And even if they do they'll probably refuse to assume you did all of the above, and will just blame their system.

And that's not your fault.
[doublepost=1475884875][/doublepost]By the way, conductors don't always check tickets on trains. In many places they only check on the occasional train.

When you buy a ticket you're paying for the journey—you're not paying for a conductor to look at it. The only difference between not paying for a ticket (if they don't check) and forging a ticket is the level of effort you went through to cheat the system. As well as the plausible deniability if caught.

In addition to a political thread, maybe MR should set up a forum for thieves and such to discuss how to use technology to cheat and swindle.

 

[IslesFan]

This is what we refer to as "mental gymnastics".

Like yeah I'd do the same thing but I wouldn't convince myself that it's somehow within the rules.

Here's another trick to save money: If you take a screenshot of your ticket and edit it to say "activated", you won't need to activate it at all! Then you can just change the date on the screenshot every time you ride and you'll never have to pay for another ticket as long as the conductor refuses to actually scan the QR code!

But if they ever do start checking the codes, you can figure out how the QR data is formed. You might be able to make your own QR codes! Hell you could probably forgo the screenshots all together and make an app which shows an "activated" ticket with the right date and everything (and a QR code if necessary).

As long as the conductor refuses to implement some form of encryption into the QR code system it's not your fault. And even if they do they'll probably refuse to assume you did all of the above, and will just blame their system.

And that's not your fault.
[doublepost=1475884875][/doublepost]By the way, conductors don't always check tickets on trains. In many places they only check on the occasional train.

When you buy a ticket you're paying for the journey—you're not paying for a conductor to look at it. The only difference between not paying for a ticket (if they don't check) and forging a ticket is the level of effort you went through to cheat the system. As well as the plausible deniability if caught.

I have yet to see a conductor scan the ticket, yet I have had a conductor ask to see the barcode, and he visually verified that the barcode changed every couple of seconds. Not to mention I've seen the animated time bar always have different colors.

There's nothing stopping them from holding the train while they wait for the police to come and arrest you. Not to mention on certain late night trains, there is an assigned police presence on the train already(granted for drunk passengers), but I'm sure they'd be willing to come over for fake tickets.

 

[amirite]

I have yet to see a conductor scan the ticket, yet I have had a conductor ask to see the barcode, and he visually verified that the barcode changed every couple of seconds. Not to mention I've seen the animated time bar always have different colors.

There's nothing stopping them from holding the train while they wait for the police to come and arrest you. Not to mention on certain late night trains, there is an assigned police presence on the train already(granted for drunk passengers), but I'm sure they'd be willing to come over for fake tickets.

FTR I wasn't actually suggesting doing any of that.