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Norway to Force Accused Criminal to Unlock His Phone via Fingerprint

imola.zhp said:
Well I can't disagree with that logic, but if you are innocent and have nothing to hide, then go ahead and look at the phone.



I guess I must be boring, I've never wanted or needed to joke about killing someone, in the government or not. It should be difficult to bring any additional charges against someone if they were looking for evidence relating to A and find evidence relating to B. But that may very well not be the case. Lots of different government agencies out there with different rules and regulations. I would think a good lawyer should be able to get someone out of that though. But again, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to hide.



Jesus, lets stay on topic here. Its not that slippery of a slope.



What are you talking about? What if aliens come down from the sky tomorrow and take over the planet? What if Jesus (who doesn't exist) comes down and takes his "children" next Tuesday? We can "What if..." forever. It is not illegal to belong to any religion, it is not illegal to be a member of any political party and it is not illegal to be a descent and of a particular ethnicity. Until any of those are illegal, there is nothing to worry about. If any of that ever were to occur then we would face much larger challenges than what is being discussed here today. Much larger, and more important, challenges.
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At least in the US you can be innocent and still have to prove it.
 
miknos said:
Doubt the norwegian government is interested in the contents of the phone. Probably they have plenty of evidence from other sources.

It's a political move. Let's screw everybody's privacy so we can catch the rapists and kidnappers.
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You are not only correct, but far too generous. Some of these politicians ARE the rapists.

Its basically about tyranny for it's own sake.
 
szw-mapple fan said:
I'm aware that the phone will be taken away. What I'm saying is that he reboots the phone when they give it to him for the thumb print, although depending on the situation, that might be possible.
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you need to unlock it to turn it off....

Regardless, they'll do everything they can to avoid that. I imagine they will not let him hold the phone, simply force him to put his thumb on the scanner.
 
sim667 said:
you need to unlock it to turn it off....

Regardless, they'll do everything they can to avoid that. I imagine they will not let him hold the phone, simply force him to put his thumb on the scanner.
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Actually, you do not. The iPhone can be turned off regardless of it having been unlocked. And yes, I suppose they will force his thumb on the phone.
 
burne said:
You can dig out your phone from a pocket and hand it over to the officer while turning it off. And it's unlikely he will notice what happens unless he expects you to do so beforehand.
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If you are black in America doing this would get you shot and they will just take the phone off your dead body after.
 
szw-mapple fan said:
Actually, you do not. The iPhone can be turned off regardless of it having been unlocked. And yes, I suppose they will force his thumb on the phone.
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I never knew that.

Yet another security flaw
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Technarchy said:
If you are black in America doing this would get you shot and they will just take the phone off your dead body after.
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The fabricate some kind of story about how they were armed and dangerous.
 
Wondercow said:
How is it a "security flaw" that the phone can be made more secure without first being made less secure?
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If its stolen from you it can be turned off so "find my iPhone" can't be used.

Most people who steal iPhones aren't interested in your data, they're interested in selling a phone..... turning it off means it can't be traced, and then you can restore it later.
 
Wondercow said:
As soon as it's on again it can be traced. Also, it can't be restored without first disabling Find My iPhone which has now become much more difficult if the owner was using a strong password.
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I think it can using DFU mode or restore mode.
 
Wondercow said:
That's true, but it'll still be locked on Apple's servers. The device won't be able to be set up without first disabling Find My iPhone.
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If it was registered in the first place.

Almost all of my friends have got an iPhone, I know barely any of them have registered on iCloud.
 
sim667 said:
If it was registered in the first place.

Almost all of my friends have got an iPhone, I know barely any of them have registered on iCloud.
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But we're not talking about your friends.

You claimed that it is a "security flaw" that the phone can be turned off without first unlocking it. Your reasoning for such was that it would be possible to bypass a Find My iPhone lock by restoring the phone. Since the activation lock survives a restore it is, in my opinion, a good thing that a user can turn off the device without first making it less secure by unlocking it.

The way your friends use the security features is their business and has no bearing on the overall security of the system.
 
sim667 said:
I never knew that.

Yet another security flaw
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The fabricate some kind of story about how they were armed and dangerous.
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I don't see how that's a security flaw. It's simply cutting the power from the phone. The same could be achieved by taking out the battery. Your personal info are not touched.
 
coolfactor said:
I recently adopted Runbox as an email provider because of Norway's famous privacy laws, which is good for my business and clients. Hosting email and websites in the US is becoming less and less attractive.
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Just for the record, in this scenario your data probably sits on a server in Sweden or Denmark, maybe Norway. All three countries would render Snowden and Assange in a millisecond, if those fellas set foot in their country. Which should tell you a big hint about what else these countries cooperate with. They dont have to look at your data - they could just look the other way while someone else does, uses the data as they want and then as and when, share relevant data they "inadvertently" collected, which is still legal.

And look where they are heading:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/i...-av-politiets-overvakingsmetoder-8390234.html

So good luck in the illusion of privacy. You might as well use gmail.
 
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