Not Everyone needs a RMBP!

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Rmafive, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Rmafive macrumors 6502

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    I was at the apple store today and I decided to check out the new retina MBP. I can't wait to get mine, but I need to wait for it to be built! I was fiddling with one when I heard a lady ask for a Mac laptop for word processing. He then quickly led her to the new $2100 retina MacBook pro. I almost wanted to tell her myself that she needs a MacBook air, but he convinced her that she had to have the speed and display in the retina MacBook pro! No wonder they sell so many of these things!
     
  2. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    That's what sales people are paid to do.
     
  3. Adamantoise macrumors 6502a

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    Consumerism at its finest.

    Even the better informed among us are complaining about the rMBP, like they have forgotten that the legacy MBP still exists.
     
  4. Bradllez macrumors 6502

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    I agree with this post...

    But this still grinds my gears.
     
  5. hcho3 macrumors 68030

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    Retina macbook pro ain't worth it with this much lag. I played it at apple store and I opened about 5-6 apps. I noticed lag, immediately. No way I am buying a laptop that is laggy for 2000 dollars.
     
  6. Rmafive thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I heard that it was very laggy until the major 1.5gb update yesterday.
     
  7. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    1. We might genuinely want the IPS display, even aside from the resolution.
    2. The word "legacy" says it all -- it implies that Apple is abandoning the high-end users.
     
  8. Rockadile macrumors regular

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    If we were all knowledgeable consumers the brick and mortar stores would be closed down :)

    The lady might have deteriorating eye vision so the retina and screen size would help.
     
  9. dccorona macrumors 68020

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    That is strange, because my experience at the apple store has always been that of seeing salesmen and women actually downsell themselves because they're genuinley finding the best fit for their customer. Someone would come in ready to buy the top of the line, and they end up walking out with a more modest computer better for their needs.
     
  10. NutsNGum macrumors 68030

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    Generally not in the Apple Store, though. Specialists are told to match customers with the appropriate products to suit them, not to sell the most expensive machine they can.

    On the other hand, they'll hawk you One to One and Applecare until they're blue in the face, of course.
     
  11. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    My point, exactly. :)
     
  12. Rmafive thread starter macrumors 6502

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    This is generally what I see at my Apple store. I was quite surprised to see this new salesman trying to sell her the rMBP. I should pretend to be a customer and see what they do for me haha. ;)
     
  13. Adamantoise macrumors 6502a

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    I'm aware of this.

    I'm simply stating that people are incessantly bitching about the Retina MBP missing an Ethernet Port, Optical Drive, Battery Indicator ... When all these things are made available on the Legacy MBP.

    You're given options, it might be a difficult decision for some, but a choice is better than no choice.
     
  14. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    You sure don't act like it.

    Which is to say, they are not made available on the Retina.

    It is a decision that means that instead of buying a $3k laptop, I'm sitting around complaining on forums, because no computer Apple sells at any price can do what I want my computer to do.

    Here's the thing. You keep acting as though the only possiblities were:

    1. Apple makes you choose between basic functionality and a new display.
    2. Apple does not offer that functionality at all.
    3. Apple does not offer the new display.

    What people are expressing, and you seem unable to comprehend it, is that they would be happier if apple offered a machine which had the new display and those other features.

    Here's the thing: Options of the form "you can get A, or B. B is better but more expensive" are cool, because people can choose how much they want to spend, and they can get the one that's better. Options of the form "you can get A, or B. A is better in a way that is useful for your work, B is better in a way that is also useful for your work, but you cannot have both", by contrast, suck. They leave you with no way to get the things you want.

    The complaint here isn't that there's a choice; it's that it's a choice between two options which are both fundamentally flawed, when there is no reason at all that Apple couldn't have provided a machine which had none of those flaws.

    There is no technical barrier to making a machine that I would buy immediately even if it cost $3k. Apple has all the technology easily to hand. It wouldn't even cost noticably more than what they're shipping now. A machine just like the Retina, only with FW and Ethernet ports and a matte display, probably wouldn't cost more than $5 more to build than the one they're shipping -- but it would be worth $200 more to me, and apparently to many other prospective customers.

    Look, just a crazy thought: What if you stopped assuming that everyone on forums is a complete idiot who cannot even comprehend the concept of choice, but rather, that they had considered the choices, and concluded that:
    1. There is no reason to structure the choice this way.
    2. None of the options on offer meet our needs.
     
  15. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

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    Whaaaa! A sales person trying to upsell! Outrageous!

    Seriously, I'm surprised the store had one in stock to sell. But look, every model Apple sells is on display at the Apple Store in the wide open. If the lady didn't have the basic common sense or desire to ask about all those other models well then she got what she wanted... someone to tell her what to buy, no questions asked. If she didn't balk at the price obviously price was no object, so good for her. She goes home happy.
     
  16. Adamantoise macrumors 6502a

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    I didn't read all that. You're clearly upset that Apple didn't deliver the computer of your dreams.

    Only advice I can give is to try other manufacturers at this point. I really don't know what you want me to say.
     
  17. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    I know. I've noticed that for the last several days, you have consistently avoided anything that might lead you to not continuing to be smug, insulting, and dismissive when people express coherent thoughts.

    No, I'm upset that they aren't even making a computer I can use.

    What other manufacturers have OS X?

    Honestly? All I want is for you to stop being smug, derisive, and insulting when you are making it 100% clear that you do not understand, you do not want to understand, and that you absolutely refuse to risk understanding.

    You are being a jerk. People who love Apple's operating system and have been using their computers for 30+ years are saying that Apple has abandoned them, and you're being a jerk to them. You're insulting them. You're implying that they are idiots. And you're doing it all while absolutely refusing to even read what they have to say.

    In short, if you aren't even willing to find out why people are complaining, please stop making posts in which you brag about your ignorance. People have told you, repeatedly, which of your assumptions are false, and why your posts are insulting. You brag that you are too lazy to read these posts, and go right on being insulting.

    You are doing the thing that makes people say that they love Apple's products but hate the user community.

    What I would like you to say is "I will at some point be willing to at least hear what someone else has to say instead of being a derisive jerk." But I would only like you to say it if it will be true, and honestly I don't think you have it in you.
     
  18. declandio macrumors 6502

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    Sorry to poke my nose in here, but what on earth do you do with your computer that anything Apple make, you can't use?! Deep sea diving / space exploration?!
     
  19. Adamantoise macrumors 6502a

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    Well I wasn't being a jerk, but if you want me to start, fine.

    Cry me a bloody river, I honestly don't give a flying **** that you're in the minority of users that Apple wasn't thinking about when they designed new computers.

    Happy?

    I mean honestly, the offerings are laid out before you, pick a machine or hold out till the next revision. Nothing wrong with critiquing Apple's decisions but wtf are you making it personal for?
     
  20. eron macrumors 6502

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    Well, there's no reason to believe that there are enough of YOU around to buy the high-end $3+K laptop to have economy of scale, and to keep prices down. Just look at the 17" MBP line.
     
  21. skywalkerr69 macrumors 6502a

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