Not happy with 10.13.4's new bookmark sorting

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by theorist9, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. theorist9 macrumors member

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    Safari's new bookmark sorting functionality, introduced with 10.13.4, adds the ability to sort by name or website (which is great), but unfortunately removes the previous functionality, which was to sort chronologically.

    Going back as far as I can remember (at least a decade), Safari auto-sorted bookmarks in chronological order: the most recent one went at the top. However, with 10.13.4, the default behavior is that new bookmarks are added in reverse chronological order. Thus all my old favorites are sorted from newest to oldest, while all those added with 10.13.4 are put at the bottom, sorted from oldest to newest. This inconsistency creates a mess. And since 10.13.4 doesn't offer any way to sort chronologically, you're stuck with this unless you switch to alphabetical or website sorting, which I don't want. Further, if I switch to sorting by alpha or website, once I close Safari I forever lose the ability to get back my chronological sorting (unless I do it manually, which is impractical for my numerous bookmarks).

    Recall Steve Job's dictum that 'computers should adapt to users, not the other way around.' Adding alpha sorting is in line with this dictum, as it supports users who wish to organize their info. this way. But eliminating chronological sorting violates this dictum, as it forces users who were long-used to this method of displaying bookmarks to change to a new organizational structure that may not fit with their work flow.

    Finally, there may be a bug in their implementation. The alpha/website sorting functionality works in a fresh admin test account, but does not work on my main admin user account (when I R-click on my Favorites folder, I don't get the new sorting options). My main admin user account is a relatively fresh clean install, and otherwise works fine. I don't know if this problem is common, or particular to my user account.

    I sent Apple feedback about this, suggesting they keep the new alpha & website sorting, but add the functionality to sort bookmarks both chronologically and reverse-chronologically.
     
  2. Partron22 macrumors 68020

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    Time to switch browsers.
    That's horrible behavior.
    Did Apple hire a neat freak to redesign browser interface?
    It's never been alphabetical that way unless you worked for it.
    Should have brought in a psychologist who understands how humans order things
     
  3. zhaoxin macrumors regular

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    I filed a bug about Safari on putting newly added bookmark on the top of the bookmark list years ago, as it messed up the keyboard shortcuts. You can use cmd+option+1 to 9 to launch the first to ninth bookmark. Adding a new bookmark moves all your bookmarks away by one.

    Also, iOS Safari always put newly added bookmark to the end.
     
  4. Pine Man macrumors newbie

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    Well I like the new set up with bookmarks. It is something I have campaigned for and I'm glad it has arrived.
     
  5. theorist9, Apr 4, 2018
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    theorist9 thread starter macrumors member

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    Right, but don't you see that the way they added the alpha&website sorting is bad? As I mentioned—twice—in my opening post, it's great that they added this new sorting, since this accommodates folks like you that prefer to organize their bookmarks that way. The problem is not that they added this new functionality. It's that, in doing so, they took away the old functionality, namely the ability to organize them chronologically, thus dis-accommodating those that prefer to see their most recent bookmarks at the top.

    Really, what they ought to do is allow you to organize them all four ways I mentioned (alpha, website, chronologically, reverse-chronologically) and, in addition, have the option of pinning certain ones to be permanently at the top of your favorites list, and in turn allow you to assign shortcuts for accessing them. Currently you can only do the latter in the tab bar (which I don't like to use, because it takes up vertical space), rather than in the overall list of favorites itself, which is found in the sidebar.
     
  6. Pine Man macrumors newbie

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    From your point of view of course but from my point of view not bad at all as now I haven't got to drag them all about to put them in the order that I want them. Ideally it would be nice for them to have the capability of sorting every which way you want but for now it's nice to be on the winning side;-)
     
  7. theorist9, Apr 4, 2018
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    theorist9 thread starter macrumors member

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    Yes, "to the victors belong the spoils.":D

    I guess my issue is that I have lots of favorites (over 2000); I essentially use it as a reference list of useful sites for both my scientific research and my personal hobbies. When I save one I type in a few keywords in the name to make it easy to find. Thus (with the old system) I had two basic options: If the bookmark was recent (and these are the ones I use most often), I'd just scroll through the upper-most listings of my sidebar. If it was older, I hit cmd-opt-B and then cmd F, and search using keywords. The only way an alphabetical listing would be useful would be if I carefully started each favorite with just the right word so that I could scroll alphabetically and find it. But, at least for me, a keyword search is better. So alpha doesn't give me much benefit, and at the same time deprives me of the first option I mention (conveniently seeing the most recent ones at the top). Anyways, that's my particular use case. I certainly understand those of others are different.
     
  8. C.clavin macrumors member

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    I actually prefer the alphabetical sorting, can find bookmarks faster. I asked Don Melton years ago why they didn't have that option, and he said it was because Steve nixed the prototype when they showed it to him. Chalk another one up for the 'would have never happened if Steve were still around' people.
     

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