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How old is she? If you second year in college your what 19-20 and she is still teenager? She is probably between 15-17 depending on the school system there. Ok, if she is 17 that is forgivable, 16 or younger wtf are you thinking? I know in 5 years it won't matter, but now she is quite naive and hasn't really experienced life, and you want make life long plans (i.e. life changing plans for the long run) with her. Every think what she wants now isn't what she going to want she is 20 or 22? Sorry had to be said. I don't fault you for trying, just trying to provide with a new perception to the situation.
 
superbovine said:
How old is she? If you second year in college your what 19-20 and she is still teenager? She is probably between 15-17 depending on the school system there. Ok, if she is 17 that is forgivable, 16 or younger wtf are you thinking? I know in 5 years it won't matter, but now she is quite naive and hasn't really experienced life, and you want make life long plans (i.e. life changing plans for the long run) with her. Every think what she wants now isn't what she going to want she is 20 or 22? Sorry had to be said. I don't fault you for trying, just trying to provide with a new perception to the situation.

Please don't come in here acting like you're all-knowing and know what's best for me, etc. You don't know the situation. You cannot judge. And I didn't ask for advice on this. I know very well all the things you've said. And as I said before, these plans are not merely for the sake of each other. I wanted to know what it would be like for her to go to school in the US, a thing she would want to do even if I didn't exist, or how difficult it would be to live in Norway for a few years, something that doesn't really commit me to anything.

Okay, I'm tired of this thread. Forget I ever posted it.
 
word. two mates of mine started seeing eachother when he was 16 and she was 15. last year the couple bought thier first house after renting a while. yesterday they announced there engagment.

now, he is 28 and she is 27.

(give macaddictt a chance, all is to play for)
 
Macaddicttt said:
Please don't come in here acting like you're all-knowing and know what's best for me, etc. You don't know the situation. You cannot judge. And I didn't ask for advice on this. I know very well all the things you've said. And as I said before, these plans are not merely for the sake of each other. I wanted to know what it would be like for her to go to school in the US, a thing she would want to do even if I didn't exist, or how difficult it would be to live in Norway for a few years, something that doesn't really commit me to anything.

Okay, I'm tired of this thread. Forget I ever posted it.
Well, good luck to you Macaddicttt... wish you and her nothing but the best. There's a solution out there, and it may not end up being easy, but when is anything easy right? :)
 
hamish_holmes said:
i would say go and live in norway for as long as you can.

this is based on the fact that it is a cheaper country (on the whole) than the US
Norway is cheaper than the US? What? When did this happen?

Does gas cost more than $6.50 per gallon in the US?
Does the cheapest Toyota Corolla cost more than $32,100?
Does the cheapest MacBook Pro cost $2,758?
Does a pint of beer cost $7.50 in a regular bar?

Those are the prices we have in Norway. They include 25% VAT, but there's no way around the VAT, so you have to count it in.
 
Macaddicttt said:
Please don't come in here acting like you're all-knowing and know what's best for me, etc. You don't know the situation. You cannot judge. And I didn't ask for advice on this. I know very well all the things you've said. And as I said before, these plans are not merely for the sake of each other. I wanted to know what it would be like for her to go to school in the US, a thing she would want to do even if I didn't exist, or how difficult it would be to live in Norway for a few years, something that doesn't really commit me to anything.

Okay, I'm tired of this thread. Forget I ever posted it.

I was actually more worried about the girl than you considering she is a teenager and all. She is the one that going to making the mistake, you are the adult, and can make bad choices if you like. However, she is not even an adult, and someone needs to speak on her behalf even if it is against her will. If you take issue with the fact that I have problem with you dating someone that is 15 or 16 and you are 20 something, you might be jaded about reality.
 
superbovine said:
I was actually more worried about the girl than you considering she is a teenager and all. She is the one that going to making the mistake, you are the adult, and can make bad choices if you like. However, she is not even an adult, and someone needs to speak on her behalf even if it is against her will. If you take issue with the fact that I have problem with you dating someone that is 15 or 16 and you are 20 something, you might be jaded about reality.

I know who you were worried about. And no, I don't take issue with the fact that you would have a problem with a 20-something dating a 15 or 16 year old. I take issue with the fact that you don't know me, you don't know her, you don't even know our ages, but you feel like you need to say something when I specifically asked people not to. If I were a 20-something dating a 15 or 16 year old, you wouldn't be the first person to point out the problem with that. And more importantly, you wouldn't be the person to make me think, "Maybe I shouldn't be doing this."

You don't know the facts, and I'm not going to tell them to you. But if it makes you sleep better at night, I'll assure you that I am not 20-something and she is neither 15 or 16.
 
Macaddicttt said:
I know who you were worried about. And no, I don't take issue with the fact that you would have a problem with a 20-something dating a 15 or 16 year old. I take issue with the fact that you don't know me, you don't know her, you don't even know our ages, but you feel like you need to say something when I specifically asked people not to. If I were a 20-something dating a 15 or 16 year old, you wouldn't be the first person to point out the problem with that. And more importantly, you wouldn't be the person to make me think, "Maybe I shouldn't be doing this."

You don't know the facts, and I'm not going to tell them to you. But if it makes you sleep better at night, I'll assure you that I am not 20-something and she is neither 15 or 16.

hahaha... the problem is with your premise, if i didn't say anything at all that would not be right at all, because my premise was based logically deduction. Granted, I cannot prove anything that I said, however any reasonable person could draw the same conclusions I did. The benefit of doubt should not fall in your court in this discussion because you are clearly older one, but rather the girl. I don't really care if you asked not to comment on this subject, the fact is you let self be open to this, and all things being equal probably deserve little a critical analysis of the situation. What if you are not telling the truth right now, and I am right? I don't know the answer to that either; would that make my critical analysis of your situation be any more right in your mind? Probably not, but in big picture it probably would.

Second, you don't know what I've seen in my life, and I might actually have a good reason for saying the things I do.
 
Superbovine, thanks for the concern, but my problem with your comments wasn't the content. I'm sure I'd voice the same opinion in your situation. I just have a problem with the whole using-MacRumors-forums-for-relationship-advice thing. It just seems kind of odd to use such an impersonal instrument for such a personal subject. I was just trying to stay clear of such things. I just was dealing with a logistics problem that neither I nor anyone I know has dealt with and figured that someone on this huge message board would be able to help.

I guess it was my fault, though, in couching the question in the relationship context. I'll leave that out next time.
 
Macaddicttt said:
Thanks for the information. I guess if I want to work in Norway, I should try my best to get that Italian (EU) citizenship!
That would definitely help.
 
Macaddicttt, not that this is completely relevant, but I though I'd put in my own 2 cents. Scem0 and I have also started a long-distance relationship. He still has another 3 1/2 years of school to go and we've discussed location too. I'm Chicago and he's in NYC (or Austin when not in school). Chicago is not an option school-wise for him and I'm not moving to NYC, I've got roots laid down here. So, we've decided to keep going where we are and see what happens when he graduates. If the relationship is still going at that point, we'll make decisions about location then. It's just the best thing for now given our respective situations and given that the relationship is still fairly new. So- I don't know, I hope that helps.
 
leekohler said:
Macaddicttt, not that this is completely relevant, but I though I'd put in my own 2 cents. Scem0 and I have also started a long-distance relationship. He still has another 3 1/2 years of school to go and we've discussed location too. I'm Chicago and he's in NYC (or Austin when not in school). Chicago is not an option school-wise for him and I'm not moving to NYC, I've got roots laid down here. So, we've decided to keep going where we are and see what happens when he graduates. If the relationship is still going at that point, we'll make decisions about location then. It's just the best thing for now given our respective situations and given that the relationship is still fairly new. So- I don't know, I hope that helps.

I guess the "wait and see" approach is the popular choice. :)
 
Macaddicttt said:
So the situation is this: I am in my second year of college. My girlfriend is currently in her second to last year of high school and she lives in Norway.

You: finish college.

Her: start college (at least).

It's an awful lot easier to get mobile (international-wise) once you have any sort of degree. And since you need two more years to finish and she needs two more to start, it fits perfectly.

She's what, 16? 17? She may come to hate medicine once she starts college.

Time.
 
Macaddicttt said:
Please don't come in here acting like you're all-knowing and know what's best for me, etc. You don't know the situation. You cannot judge. And I didn't ask for advice on this. I know very well all the things you've said. And as I said before, these plans are not merely for the sake of each other. I wanted to know what it would be like for her to go to school in the US, a thing she would want to do even if I didn't exist, or how difficult it would be to live in Norway for a few years, something that doesn't really commit me to anything.

Okay, I'm tired of this thread. Forget I ever posted it.

It sounds like you're pretty dug in against getting advice on the situation you presented and that you've built up a wall to deflect this criticism.

Most of the people who have commented on the age thing have been down that road and are speaking from experience. I know you need to learn from your own mistakes in life, but every once in a while it's not bad to learn from someone else's before you get hurt.
 
So how is the education system in the US anyway?

In Norway, you start school in the autumn, the year you become 6 years old. Elementary school is grade 1 through 10 (Junior High 8-10). Then there's high school where you start in grade 1 again, so it's 1 through 3. You usually graduate in the year that you turn 19.

Then university (or college).

Is that similar to the US? Is there a difference between college and university? Do you have to go to college before you go to university? I rarely see anyone talking about going to university, why?
 
gekko513 said:
Norway is cheaper than the US? What? When did this happen?

Does gas cost more than $6.50 per gallon in the US?
Does the cheapest Toyota Corolla cost more than $32,100?
Does the cheapest MacBook Pro cost $2,758?
Does a pint of beer cost $7.50 in a regular bar?

Those are the prices we have in Norway. They include 25% VAT, but there's no way around the VAT, so you have to count it in.


Yes to all that I guess. You could easily make the argument that it's WAY more expensive to live in Norway if all you do is drink beer and drive. Taking a snapshot is NOT the same as the wole cost of the business of living. For instance, know how much health insurance costs there? Zero, I believe.
Look at the big picture dude.
 
gekko513 said:
So how is the education system in the US anyway?

In Norway, you start school in the autumn, the year you become 6 years old. Elementary school is grade 1 through 10 (Junior High 8-10). Then there's high school where you start in grade 1 again, so it's 1 through 3. You usually graduate in the year that you turn 19.

Then university (or college).

Is that similar to the US? Is there a difference between college and university? Do you have to go to college before you go to university? I rarely see anyone talking about going to university, why?
College and university are usually used interchangeably(?), though there's some slight differences between the two. Has to do with the types of degrees that are available, I think?

Typical schooling in the U.S. follows similarly to what you have in Norway, highschool is usually done by 18. College or university usually follows after that.

Depending on the graduate school, usually takes about 2-4 years.
 
gekko513 said:
So how is the education system in the US anyway?

It can vary from region to region, but speaking in very general terms, you start school in the fall of the year you become 5 years old. This would be one year of Kindergarten. Then, in the year you become 6 years old, you start grade school. Elementary school is usually grades 1 through 5 or 6, and then you might have middle school and/or junior high through grade 8. Then there's high school where the grade years typically go from 9-12. You usually graduate in the year that you turn 18.

Then, if you choose to do more education, you could go to college or university. The reason you don't see many Americans talking about university is because a lot of us use the term "college" to mean university education, and "university" is rarely used unless it's in the name of your school (for example, "I went to college at the University of Michigan"). Not all of our colleges are universities though; universities have a reputation for being larger, and colleges have a reputation for having a smaller atmosphere. There are also community colleges, some (but not all) of which offer only a 2-year program. A student could attend 4 years at a (4-year) college or university or could go 2 years at a community college and then transfer to a 4-year college or university. Any education past the 4-year degree is graduate school.

To macaddicttt, my suggestion would be to inquire with your school's Office of International Students to see what would be required for a resident of Norway to study at your institution. Even if your GF doesn't decide to study at your institution in particular, the advice they give should help give you a more solid understanding of which requirements would apply for any institution. We have a lot of foreign students in my graduate program, so I know there are various regulations (for example, they can't work more than 20 hours/week at a job while they are in school full-time), and I suspect your Office of International Students would be able to point you to what they are. You could also consider calling up the admissions office or international students' office of a medical school that she may be interested in and speaking with them directly... I imagine that they would be willing to help spell out the requirements for anyone, and are probably asked about it often. They might have a flyer that they can send you, or helpful information posted on their website.

I do know that medical degrees in the US are relatively expensive to get, and aren't one of those graduate degrees that the school pays you for through assistantships. (Also, the programs can be very competitive, so ideally she is a strong student academically and would be able to perform well on the MCAT.) My understanding is that even if you get financial aid to cover a portion of the cost, you will still be left with a substantial amount of debt. If I were her, I would try to balance the following factors when making my decision: (1) what is required to receive accreditation to practice in the US after receiving a degree in Norway (perhaps there's a physicians' organization that you can contact to get this information, or perhaps the medical school in Norway that she would attend can help?), (2) what the starting wages are for physicians in both countries, and (3) how much debt the medical school in question would accrue. School debt doesn't have to be a large issue in and of itself if you make enough money after University and can plan to live frugally enough to pay it off before getting too excited about your post-school earnings... it really depends on how fiscally responsible and conservative you think you honestly can be in practice, so you should think critically about yourselves in this respect. If her getting the degree in Norway requires more years of schooling or residency here in order to practice here, then she may have lost opportunity wages to balance against the cost of medical school debt. I might consider stonyc's option of her finishing her pre-med degree in Norway for free and then taking the MCAT and trying to attend medical school here. It sounds like to balance your options well, it might be worthwhile to look into admission requirements at medical schools to find out whether her admission would be penalized if she had a good MCAT score and a high GPA and Bachelor's degree equivalent from a Norwegian university rather than an American one.

Like I said, I know you were looking for personal experiences, but hopefully if you haven't checked some of these sources yet you'll give them a shot. I think a lot of the people at these institutions would be happy to help you. A bit of information never hurt anyone, and hopefully you'll be able to find what you're looking for. I apologize for the length...
 
Gwendolyn, thanks for that informative post.

So does a 4 year college degree usually give you a Master degree? If that's the case, you can get a Master degree two years earlier in the US compared to Norway. A Bachelor is typically 3 years in Norway and a Master is 2 more years.

So that's 18 years in total compared to 16 years for the US.


As for the medical school, it is one long 6 year program in Norway. I'm not sure whether completing parts of it can be accepted as what you call pre-med degree.

I'm pretty sure that the medical schools in Norway can help and give her some advice. Lanekassen can also give her advice on financial support to Norwegian students abroad. Link
 
gekko513 said:
Gwendolyn, thanks for that informative post.

So does a 4 year college degree usually give you a Master degree? If that's the case, you can get a Master degree two years earlier in the US compared to Norway. A Bachelor is typically 3 years in Norway and a Master is 2 more years.

So that's 18 years in total compared to 16 years for the US.


As for the medical school, it is one long 6 year program in Norway. I'm not sure whether completing parts of it can be accepted as what you call pre-med degree.

I'm pretty sure that the medical schools in Norway can help and give her some advice. Lanekassen can also give her advice on financial support to Norwegian students abroad. Link
Bachelor's is usually 4 years in the U.S. To get a Masters, most programs that I know of require an additional 2 years.

Medical education in the United States is an extremely long process, a basic overview would be:

4 years - Undergraduate
4 years - Medical School
3 years - Residency (for a general phsycian)

Most specialties will require an additional 1-3 years of fellowship. For example, a specialized cardiologist might expect to have to complete an added 3-5 years on top of his/her initial Internal Medicine residency. All told, that would be 10+ years of education starting from medical school.

Gwendolyn made some very good points about resources that may be available to help understand more specifics about an international transition (be it undergrad or for medical school).

Now if you really want to get crazy Gekko, there are certain freaks of nature here in the US that pursue an MD/PhD simultaneously. Their path would be somewhat similar to this...

4 years - Undergrad
2 years - First 2 years medical school
3-5 years - Graduate school for PhD
2 years - Final 2 years medical school
3 years - Residency

Then add whatever fellowship years that their specialty might require. Assuming that one starts medical school around the age of 22, this freak could realistically expect to not have a "real" job until they are 36 or so. Now that, is insane. :)
 
Ah, OK, so it's 16 years to get a Bachelor in both countries and 18 years to get a Master in both countries. The medical school without residency is one year longer in total in the U.S it seems, and the required residency for a general physician seems to be only a year and a half in Norway. This could make it difficult to get the Norwegian cand.med. education accepted in the US.

What is required for the undergraduate degree? Is it a special medical school undergraduate program or can it be one of many Bachelor programs?
 
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